I met him once, I think around the the time the Spivs took over. Deffo a Charlton fan.
He said one thing to me that I didn't like the sound of "Every bid will be a property play".
Having said that he is (or was) a property guy himself. And every property guy I have ever met seems to have the attitude that monetising property is more important even than procreation.
But then again, if these guys are the real deal ( by which I mean competitive funding at Championship level for the next 2 years) and Lee brought them to the table, then we all owe him a pint.
Looking at it from an owners pov - what would they gain from selling a football ground for real estate in an expensive part of London, to buy an empty plot of land, in another more expensive part of London, to then outlay loads of dough to develop? It would surely make more sense to develop the current ground?
Well, what was on offer originally was the redesignation of a significant slice of former industrial land on the peninsula for residential development, generating eye-watering profits, with the cheaper and more constrained site at The Valley used to provide the required social housing element. The price was Charlton becoming the anchor tenant of a multi-use arena built at Morden Wharf. That was what Jimenez and Cash were involved in and is the reason they were here. Things have moved on since 2010 and the land availability on the peninsula is reduced, but at The Valley the issue is the high cost of - and practical and planning obstacles to - the development at the Jimmy Seed Stand end due to land and access issues.
Lee Amis is @itsmyball on here, and he is a current visitor.
I met him once, I think around the the time the Spivs took over. Deffo a Charlton fan.
He said one thing to me that I didn't like the sound of "Every bid will be a property play".
Having said that he is (or was) a property guy himself. And every property guy I have ever met seems to have the attitude that monetising property is more important even than procreation.
But then again, if these guys are the real deal ( by which I mean competitive funding at Championship level for the next 2 years) and Lee brought them to the table, then we all owe him a pint.
Looking at it from an owners pov - what would they gain from selling a football ground for real estate in an expensive part of London, to buy an empty plot of land, in another more expensive part of London, to then outlay loads of dough to develop? It would surely make more sense to develop the current ground?
Things have moved on since 2010 and the land availability on the peninsula is reduced, but at The Valley the issue is the high cost of - and practical and planning obstacles to - the development at the Jimmy Seed Stand end due to land and access issues.
Exactly the problems that Palace are now coming up against in the development of their new main stand - not least that they have been unable to persuade Sainsburys to sell them part of their car park, which Parish is suggesting they want several million pounds for.
'Nimer is the majority shareholder in ESI. He is chairman of Abu Dhabi Business Development – the private office of Sheikh Saeed Bin Tahnoon Al Nahyan, although he is not investing any of his money in the venture.'
not sure if this means Nimer isn't investing any of his money or that Sheikh Al Hahyan's money isn't being invested.
It isn't the best English, but I read it as meaning that the 'he' refers to Sheikh Saeed.
HH Tahnoun Nimer runs the corporate show for Sheikh Saeed, a pretty big gig and I'm sure Nimer will have a personal financial interest in the Sheikh's commercial activities. Although not a member of the Al Nahyan family (unlike Sheikh Mansour) Nimer will be a very rich man in his own right. He will also have access to significant additional funds from Sheikh Saeed and this would not be a conflict in terms of football ownership rules as Sheikh Mansour is a super rich man in his own right.
To use one of Henry's phrases - I wouldn't mind being a pound behind Nimer!
@bobmunro I can't agree with you here, Bob. There is only one subject in those two sentences - Nimer. The first sentence refers to Nimer; and the second sentence refers to "he", ie the subject of the first sentence. The object of the second sentence is "Abu Dhabi Business Development - the private office of Sheikh Saeed Bin Tahnoon Al Nahyan". The word "he" is used twice in that sentence. The second time it's used, there is no indication that the writer has changed the subject of the sentence.
I believe that, if the writer was referring to Sheik Saeed's money, he would (should) have ended the sentence "...although the Sheik is not investing any of his money in the venture".
As it is written, it states that Nimer isn't using his own money, not that Sheik Saeed isn't.
I think Bob was right and it's stating that the Sheikh is not investing.
Lee Amis is @itsmyball on here, and he is a current visitor.
I met him once, I think around the the time the Spivs took over. Deffo a Charlton fan.
He said one thing to me that I didn't like the sound of "Every bid will be a property play".
Having said that he is (or was) a property guy himself. And every property guy I have ever met seems to have the attitude that monetising property is more important even than procreation.
But then again, if these guys are the real deal ( by which I mean competitive funding at Championship level for the next 2 years) and Lee brought them to the table, then we all owe him a pint.
Looking at it from an owners pov - what would they gain from selling a football ground for real estate in an expensive part of London, to buy an empty plot of land, in another more expensive part of London, to then outlay loads of dough to develop? It would surely make more sense to develop the current ground?
Things have moved on since 2010 and the land availability on the peninsula is reduced, but at The Valley the issue is the high cost of - and practical and planning obstacles to - the development at the Jimmy Seed Stand end due to land and access issues.
Exactly the problems that Palace are now coming up against in the development of their new main stand - not least that they have been unable to persuade Sainsburys to sell them part of their car park, which Parish is suggesting they want several million pounds for.
He obviously didnt ask for a black friday deal then
H. H. Sheikh Saeed Bin Tahnoon Al Nahyan is worth 15 billion. His family combined is worth 150 billion.
Don't think its known how much Nimer is worth.
Correct and it doesn't really matter who the official owner is and who they say is funding it. Jimenez and Slater were meant to be the owners via the BVI and various companies. Kevin Cash had nothing to do with us. However, anyone paying attention will know Kevin Cash funded us, until he stopped funding us.
We are so close but could there be a spanner in the works/EFL to unhinged this middle eastern dream scenario of decent money and understanding of the ethos of cafc ? The collective spirit of the fans at Charlton would vanish quicker than Lord Lucky Lucan. Too many false dawns in the history of cafc to believe it before it's on TOEFLWS.
Buy up the rest of the low value industrial units in and around East(moor) St (bought 75% already) and build the new stadium there while the Valley gets a 4g pitch and becomes the U23/women's/community stadium.
Jimmy Seed stand demolished to house the Community Trust and the new museum. That's what they told the museum so we'd agree to give up our 99 year lease.
The new jubilee line extension from North Greenwich to Woolwich would have a stop at Charlton. London underground want it called Thames Barrier, new owners want it called Charlton Athletic. Expect a comprimise Charlton Riverside.
40000 can be achieved at the valley just by adding to what we have - that’s more than big enough in the short to mid term and I’m sure the whole valley site could go way bigger than that if we were to start re doing what we currently have - planning permitting
Bournemouth seem to get by with a capacity of 12k. Gate money is inconsequential these days.
get by maybe but i don't think that would be considered success - our part of the deal appears to be - going by the post just put up - is to fill the stadium if they invest in the team - owning a prem club in london banging a big ground out week after week is a bit different to sitting in a 12k stadium in bournemouth - if they put the goods on the pitch i can see our crowds taking right off and in my opinion, crowd size is everything in the long term
For once, I would prefer a long, slow, boring wait for a "yes" from the EFL to a quick "yes". I want to know that, once the EFL decision is made, it's been made properly, with due diligence and following an appropriately-thorough investigation. That way, we will know the new owners are right for Charlton, instead of thinking it, as we did when Duchatelet took over.
Take your time, EFL. But give us the right answer.
Comments
phew - thought i was gonna have to come out of dreamland for a minute. £15bn with access to a load more should be enough for the first few years
Things have moved on since 2010 and the land availability on the peninsula is reduced, but at The Valley the issue is the high cost of - and practical and planning obstacles to - the development at the Jimmy Seed Stand end due to land and access issues.
He is also their wealthy Sheikh, Mansour bin Zayed al-Nahyan's trusted advisor.
Interestingly he was also a sales manager for the Abi Dhabi national oil company for which I believe our Sheikh was chairman.
https://amp-ft-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.ft.com/content/2bfccf2a-14d8-11ea-8d73-6303645ac406?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQCKAE=#aoh=15753781609902&referrer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From %1$s&ampshare=https://www.ft.com/content/2bfccf2a-14d8-11ea-8d73-6303645ac406
Nimer has huge sums of personal wealth ;-)
Jimenez and Slater were meant to be the owners via the BVI and various companies.
Kevin Cash had nothing to do with us.
However, anyone paying attention will know Kevin Cash funded us, until he stopped funding us.
When Roland will officially be out?
When EFL would have actually for once done their job and officially got this all sorted?
The collective spirit of the fans at Charlton would vanish quicker than Lord Lucky Lucan. Too many false dawns in the history of cafc to believe it before it's on TOEFLWS.
in truth we need to get a tick in the box from the EFL and thereafter we Will find out more I’m sure.
Take your time, EFL. But give us the right answer.