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The Takeover Thread - Duchatelet Finally Sells (Jan 2020)
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Frankly if they had any real ambition it would be Charlton.charltonbob said:
I'm sure that all of the top premier clubs have some scouting network out there. Man City or Charlton take your choice sonShootersHillGuru said:
I doubt many Aussie clubs would stand in the way of young talent. If a ready pathway to an English professional club exists then it's not going to be a problem. There would need to be a good scouting network by AFC but I expect they know that already.charltonbob said:
Do they own any clubs in Oz ? If not how are they going to push the best of the toungsters to us ?ShootersHillGuru said:
Thing is. It's not going to be "their" investment. The five year blueprint will need backing by other investors. Notoriously hard getting into the PL without huge luck (Palace) or huge investment. I can't see many "investors" out there likely to gamble.sadiejane1981 said:They intend to make back their investment by getting us back into the premier league. That can't be a bad thing.
As for the feeder club. What's not to cautiously like. Plenty of talent in Oz. First dibs on the cream could be very good.
I'm betting this won't eventually fly.
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Haha - I dont give a toss what you are having, because unlike you I don't shit my pants at every opportunity, I wait until I know the facts and not respond to hearsay on a message board before I make my mind up. Same with RD same with our potential new owners.Uboat said:
Not having that. If anyone should be suspicious of new owners it's us.Greenie said:Fuck me, we have not even been taken over by these people, that we know nothing about, and yet people on here are crapping themselves already, it's so bloody embarrassing, it really is!
You ought to be ashamed of yourselves.
I remember those who doubted Roland getting a similar response.
Anyway, you took about two and a half years to see the light regarding Roland so your credibility is not particularly high in this area.
Also I am somewhat flattered that you remember what I said three years ago, you obviously don't have much going on in your sad life.3 -
It'd be sad to think that Roland would get any benefit from the three year car crash he has created.Fiiish said:
If I could play Devil's Advocate...Uboat said:
Agree. That would be a fucking disaster.vff said:Reading on Twitter, suggestion that Duchatelet wants to retain ownership of the Valley & lease it to the Aussies. Appalling if true. That's not getting our clubback. Charlton won't prosper until Duchatelet is gone. Charlton bird in Duchatelet's gilded cage like St Truiden. FFS.
If Roland has managed to successfully do anything at Charlton it is to revitalise the stadium and pitch that was in desperate need of it. Granted the undersoil heating is not actually connected to a boiler, but for the most part the stadium is in a better place.
It is the football side of things, and how he, as an owner, and his staff, as senior managers, have treated the fans that has brought about the ire of the fans. We want Roland out, but if the club is sold at a discount to someone who is much better at the football side of things, at the cost of paying Roland rent, then is that at least a step forward? At the very least, Daisy would be very much out of the picture.
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Not enough information yet but as I said we are right to be sceptical.AddickFC81 said:I just hope it's a case we are overly worried and things won't be as bad.
Let's wait and see if 1. They make a deal and 2. What they have to say themselves before rushing to judgement.
But no "they saved us from Roland so we can't criticise them" nonsense. That way lies madness. Be positive but retain the right to question how OUR club is being run, always.
My personal view is that they won't have got to this stage without providing proof of funds so i don't buy this still looking to find £20m bit.
This seems to have leaked from Oz not Belgium so i think this is the buyers playing games to get a better deal but they are in the game, no doubt.
A rumour about a month ago was that someone had provided £100m proof of funds.
I've no idea if these are the same people but I don't think tyre kickers get this far.
I don't think it is possible that they would buy the training ground but not the Valley. That makes no sense.
The feeder club statements need to be investigated. I don't automatically think that would be a no no but we have learnt that interference in team or squad selection doesn't work unless there are real football people involved and that football success trumps player farming.
It is good that at last the "club isn't for sale" lie can be put to bed. The haters who have clung to this myth and put all their eggs in Roland's basket have already begun to look for excuses and are now blaming CARD for a takeover they insisted would not happen. Ignore them.
At last a new day is dawning. What it will bring we don't know but this is Charlton. No one ever promised you a rose garden.
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And on a football fans forum too. Who'd a thunk it.1905 said:
As bad as what? No one knows fuck all to be fair. Its post after post of speculation.AddickFC81 said:I just hope it's a case we are overly worried and things won't be as bad.
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It's fair to say he's put a significant sum into the training ground as well as the valley. If we was to keep one I don't see why he wouldn't keep the other.0
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A message needs to get out to any potential buyers we will absolutely not tolerate a separation of club and ground in any deal47
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So enlighten meShootersHillGuru said:
And on a football fans forum too. Who'd a thunk it.1905 said:
As bad as what? No one knows fuck all to be fair. Its post after post of speculation.AddickFC81 said:I just hope it's a case we are overly worried and things won't be as bad.
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This is what I've always been afraid of. Hopefully none of the prospective buyers will be stupid enough to go for it. We will never be rid of this vampire otherwise.vff said:Reading on Twitter, suggestion that Duchatelet wants to retain ownership of the Valley & lease it to the Aussies. Appalling if true. That's not getting our clubback. Charlton won't prosper until Duchatelet is gone. Charlton bird in Duchatelet's gilded cage like St Truiden. FFS.
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I don't think he's done either. Maybe £1m each or what he wasted on SarrLeeds_Addick said:It's fair to say he's put a significant sum into the training ground as well as the valley. If we was to keep one I don't see why he wouldn't keep the other.
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Why can't we all just get along0
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After 3 years of this shit I'd be happy for Trump to come in and tell us he's going to drain the swamp6
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Okay, okay. Apologies to Greenie.ShootersHillGuru said:Why can't we all just get along
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I just don't think questioning a new owner is 'crapping yourself' or 'embarrassing'.6 -
On his way, on his way
Out of Charlton, he's on his way
How does he get out, I don't know
How does he get out, I don't care
All I know is Roland's on his way1 -
Essex Al's flags removed - not abuse imoEssex_Al said:
I just learnt you can't flag a moderator - liberty!cabbles said:
Great bit of moderation by myself therecabbles said:
And Al, remember to message him rather than write it on his profile page.AFKABartram said:Henry / Al, take the side show offline or elsewhere please chaps, ta
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Probably because ultimately it's about the development value and that is higher at The Valley.Leeds_Addick said:It's fair to say he's put a significant sum into the training ground as well as the valley. If we was to keep one I don't see why he wouldn't keep the other.
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Could well dofolder said:That b*astard has fcuked us....he'll take our ground and redevelop it
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I've fretted about such a scenario and wrote, on another thread, several weeks ago:
Selling the football club's one thing. What about The Valley and the Training Ground? I would not wish ownership of the club and the grounds to be separated. Let's hope Duchatelet sells the lot, thus paving the way for a new start.
Duchatelet's ownership of the ground(s) will deter many people from actively supporting CAFC.
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Goodbye Roland, goodbye Roland
Saying goodbye to Roland,
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I don't for a minute accept the premise of your argument.Essex_Al said:
And why didn't we go into administration?ElfsborgAddick said:
We did not go into administration.Essex_Al said:
No where near administration though mate!ElfsborgAddick said:
The Belgians are unambitious, look at where that has got us.Essex_Al said:The spivs were ambitious, look where that got us!
They also had the nous to give the job to Powell and then give him the money to secure 100 points and 100 goals to get promoted to the Championship.
You'll never learn mate, I can feel a flag coming on.
Go on admit, go on say it, cos Roland's money prevented it!! (I feel another spin coming on!)
Let's get Powell back and see if he'll play all our Aussie imports shall we!
But if I did, it's just a shame there's no precedent for club going into administration and recovering.
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Any change of ownership that doesn't include The Valley doesn't have my support. It has to be all in. This was Duchatelet’s end game all along.razil said:We should fight any seperation of ground and club tooth and nail at every level
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Very concerning if true, alas - this isn't an issue with the potential purchasers either - it's more a signal that Roland isn't willing to relinquish entire control. This may also explain his acceptance of a lower figure.Scoham said:
This leads to the potential for CAFC to be screwed with (a) debt repayments, and (b) stadium rental, all whilst the investment firm don't even have the capital to make the initial purchase yet.
If this is the case then I can't see it getting off the ground, and I find it depressing that Roland will have a lasting legacy beyond being responsible for the 3 years where we were considered English Football's "laughing stock".
It's difficult to describe how I view that awful little bastard without resorting to words which will most likely get me a warning or two on here.11 -
It is apt that we play Coventry, of all clubs, with a potential loss of control of our ground hanging over the club.razil said:A message needs to get out to any potential buyers we will absolutely not tolerate a separation of club and ground in any deal
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Que sera sera folks que sera sera.
I'm just hoping the same as others that this is just a ruse to flush out other interested parties. As for seperation of club and ground - fuck right off!8 -
I'm of the opposite persuasion. I reckon there could be lots of interested investors looking for a decent return on their money, and it doesn't take many people stumping up £2m-£5m each to raise the £35m -£40m needed to buy the club. Remember, they aren't in it for the long term, as the 5 year plan is to get into the Premiership & then go for an IPO (which is basically a sale of shares in the company to institutional investors such as pension fund companies), at which time the initial investors can bail out & take their profits. It also means that if the "venture" doesn't succeed then they can easily offset their losses against gains they might have made elsewhere. I can see this being attractive to high paid individuals such as sportsman, footballers, entertainers etc - and not as risky as some of the tax avoidance schemes that have been prevalent recently.ShootersHillGuru said:
Thing is. It's not going to be "their" investment. The five year blueprint will need backing by other investors. Notoriously hard getting into the PL without huge luck (Palace) or huge investment. I can't see many "investors" out there likely to gamble.sadiejane1981 said:They intend to make back their investment by getting us back into the premier league. That can't be a bad thing.
As for the feeder club. What's not to cautiously like. Plenty of talent in Oz. First dibs on the cream could be very good.
I'm betting this won't eventually fly.
Finally, playing devils advocate for once. If you want to get rid of your owner then don't be surprised that he may sell to the first bid he gets, which may not be to your liking,,,,,,,,,he doesnt care who he sells to, he just wants to get rid,4 -
Doesn't sound too great to me. I hope this is a strategic leak to entice other buyers.1
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He wants to sell the club a league lower, with worse playing and coaching staff, and without our most valuable asset - The Valley... for a similar figure that he purchased us for 3 years ago.BigRedEvil said:So potentially £20m sale without owning The Valley. I wouldn't buy Charlton for that price without The Valley included...
I can't say I'd be jumping at that deal either!3 -
Roland has to go 100%. Does he honestly think protests would stop if he's remotely still involved?8
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I recs you are prob spot on with this...fuckin bloke is a c"@t...!!!The Red Robin said:
Any change of ownership that doesn't include The Valley doesn't have my support. It has to be all in. This was Duchatelet’s end game all along.razil said:We should fight any seperation of ground and club tooth and nail at every level
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