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  • Chizz said:

    Leuth said:

    @Grapevine49 is the best poster on CL by ________________________ that far, and I read his every word with absolute deadly seriousness - his anti-regime posting is essentially what I take to be the ideal anti-regime line. Even while acknowledging its truth, though, I feel he always leaves space for redemption or compromise - in skewering so accurately what the regime are doing wrong, he lays out the perfect routemap to improvement. We need his sort as CEO with great urgency. He is able to sort the precisely-targeted complaints from the noisy 'f**k 'em all, everyone out, I hate Charlton now' chaff.

    @Chizz, this season is more competently-run, in chief, because I believe we've made a good managerial appointment for perhaps the first time under RD, we've come closer to signing a league-appropriate squad than at any other time under RD, we've employed appropriate scouting methods (as opposed to whatever the hell we were doing before), we've shown less of a reliance on the network and we've probably broken even (yes, we won't find a Lookman every time, but stability is IMO underrated).

    You might call that competence. I call it a criminal lack of ambition.
    Perhaps.

    I really do think the protests have helped btw - not that they've affected our league position, but they've possibly prevented deeper apathy setting in as well as accelerated the improvements that I believe will have us challenging for promotion next season.

    £100 to the Upbeats if we don't finish top six this or next season :) (£50 if we do) (please remind me)
  • I have no idea why @Leuth is getting such stick. His initial comment was perfectly reasonable and certainly didn't suggest anything perjorative about the S-T protests. Since I am going, I would be on his back, had he done so. Anyway the boss (AFKA) wants us back on track, but give Leuth a break, eh? There are many better targets for our displeasure after a 3-3 at Rochdale, although personally I'd have taken the point at 14.59.

    Spoken like a true consolidationist
  • supaclive said:

    Chizz said:

    Leuth said:

    @Grapevine49 is the best poster on CL by ________________________ that far, and I read his every word with absolute deadly seriousness - his anti-regime posting is essentially what I take to be the ideal anti-regime line. Even while acknowledging its truth, though, I feel he always leaves space for redemption or compromise - in skewering so accurately what the regime are doing wrong, he lays out the perfect routemap to improvement. We need his sort as CEO with great urgency. He is able to sort the precisely-targeted complaints from the noisy 'f**k 'em all, everyone out, I hate Charlton now' chaff.

    @Chizz, this season is more competently-run, in chief, because I believe we've made a good managerial appointment for perhaps the first time under RD, we've come closer to signing a league-appropriate squad than at any other time under RD, we've employed appropriate scouting methods (as opposed to whatever the hell we were doing before), we've shown less of a reliance on the network and we've probably broken even (yes, we won't find a Lookman every time, but stability is IMO underrated).

    You might call that competence. I call it a criminal lack of ambition.
    Lookman, Fox, JBG, Pope and Cousins sold and you call "breaking even" an improvement! If they hadn't spunked millions on shit network and Driesen recommendations we'd be the richest club in League One pissing this division.

    Except we shouldn't even be in this division on the basis of players we've had!
    True. Last season was an absolute clusterf**k that should have seen Meire sacked and rendered unemployable in football. This season has been better. Nicer atmosphere at The Valley, too.
  • edited February 2017
    cabbles said:

    Leuth said:

    Grapevine49 is the best poster on CL by ________________________ that far, and I read his every word with absolute deadly seriousness - his anti-regime posting is essentially what I take to be the ideal anti-regime line. Even while acknowledging its truth, though, I feel he always leaves space for redemption or compromise - in skewering so accurately what the regime are doing wrong, he lays out the perfect routemap to improvement. We need his sort as CEO with great urgency. He is able to sort the precisely-targeted complaints from the noisy 'f**k 'em all, everyone out, I hate Charlton now' chaff.

    @Chizz, this season is more competently-run, in chief, because I believe we've made a good managerial appointment for perhaps the first time under RD, we've come closer to signing a league-appropriate squad than at any other time under RD, we've employed appropriate scouting methods (as opposed to whatever the hell we were doing before), we've shown less of a reliance on the network and we've probably broken even (yes, we won't find a Lookman every time, but stability is IMO underrated).

    i gave you a birthday thread ffs
    You're certainly top fifteen ;)
  • I'll take that
  • Rob7Lee said:

    Yet again he's digging out some players, anyone care to guess which one's? Moral is going to be rock bottom, this could be dangerous if he loses the dressing room.

    He's said not for the first time about peoples dedication, in one sentence he mentions rather having an average player giving 100% than a skilful player just doing enough, and makes mention of the Arsenal Loanee's attitude (when we scored).

    I think if he's here in the summer they'll be an even bigger clearcut than most of us fear.

    1. Declan Rudd - Will go
    2. Lewis Page - Remain
    3. Adam Chicken - Remain
    4. Johnnie Jackson - Will go (sadly, the end is nigh)
    5. Patrick Bauer - Will go
    6. Roger Johnson - Will go (please please please)
    7. Tony Watt - Will go
    8. Andrew Crofts - Might stay I think, one more year.
    9. Josh Magennis -Will go
    11. Ricky Holmes - Will go
    12. Stephy Mavididi (will go back
    13. Dillon Phillips -Remain
    14. Jordan Botaka - Will go
    15. Ezri Konsa - Will go
    16. Jason Pearce - Remain
    17. Fredrik Ulvestad - Will go
    18. Karlan Ahearne-Grant - Will go
    19. Jake Forster-Caskey - Remain
    20. Chris Solly - Remain
    21. Nathan Byrne - Will go
    25. Ahmed Kasha - Gone
    26. Harry Lennon - Will go
    27. Dimitar Bitov - Will go
    30. Lee Novak - Will go
    32. Joe Aribo - Remain
    35. George Lapse - Remain
    36. Jay Dasilva - Will go
    42. Jordan Beeney - Will go
    50. Jorge Teixeira - Will Go

    I think thats how depleted a base we will be starting from.

    Same as every summer, and half our problem.
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  • cabbles said:

    Leuth said:

    Grapevine49 is the best poster on CL by ________________________ that far, and I read his every word with absolute deadly seriousness - his anti-regime posting is essentially what I take to be the ideal anti-regime line. Even while acknowledging its truth, though, I feel he always leaves space for redemption or compromise - in skewering so accurately what the regime are doing wrong, he lays out the perfect routemap to improvement. We need his sort as CEO with great urgency. He is able to sort the precisely-targeted complaints from the noisy 'f**k 'em all, everyone out, I hate Charlton now' chaff.

    @Chizz, this season is more competently-run, in chief, because I believe we've made a good managerial appointment for perhaps the first time under RD, we've come closer to signing a league-appropriate squad than at any other time under RD, we've employed appropriate scouting methods (as opposed to whatever the hell we were doing before), we've shown less of a reliance on the network and we've probably broken even (yes, we won't find a Lookman every time, but stability is IMO underrated).

    i gave you a birthday thread ffs
    Sympathy Lol for @babbles.
  • I don't actually think our squad is that good. Who would you have as Championship starters. Possibly Solly, Tex although our defence is leaky maybe Josh.

    Everyone else is bang average for L1 which is why we're 13th.

    I'm not sure Josh is Championship material. He's a grafter, no doubt, but you need to be more clinical against many of the Championship teams. I think he would struggle.
    Well i think he definitely is, because the first time I saw him was here in Prague representing his country, against a far better defence than anything in the Championship. Admittedly it was only 30 minutes, but he did everything that Kyle Rafferty, whom he replaced, did not. Unlucky not to score with his first touch, and had the Czechs on the back foot with his running of the channels and almost faultless knock downs to green shirts (Rafferty hardly won a single header). Of course he slotted into a team that was orchestrated by Southampton's Steven Davies, the best player on the park that night, but in the Championship he might hope to be playing with someone like Steven Davies.

    Like I said, I might get carried away with a half hour cameo, but when I saw it, i thought "blimey, we have a player here", and when my Czech buddy asked me "You telling me this guy plays in the English Third Division?" I felt a small burst of pride - and **** me, I haven't said that often since 2012.

    Josh Magennis is my only ray of light in this grim season.
    Not that I know, you understand, and it is possible that his mother was keeping some dreadful truth from her husband, but it's Kyle Lafferty.

    Mind you, IMHO, Lafferty's a big headed show pony, who believes he's something special and seems to go missing all too often in club games. Magennis, while less naturally gifted, is everything I like to see in a player. Id love him to score more goals, but you know it's not for want of trying.
  • “The chances we missed in the first half were criminal. I don’t really recall them having chances other than the ones they scored."

    Well, at the match I was at Rochdale had one kicked off the line, one kept out by a great save by Rudd and later on they hit the bar.

    Indeed, we should have been 3-0 up?! Katrien would be proud of such whoppers.
  • Leuth said:

    supaclive said:

    A leader would not win three out of sixteen games in this division "with a top six wage bill"

    If you gave Winston Churchill (Robbo) control of the British Army (CAFC) but then took away its guns (Magennis) for a month, and then gave them back all rusty, why, then the Bosch would be at our bloody doorstep!
    What, would the dishwasher have been knackered as well???

    As an aside, I'm no military expert, but one of the better things that the British managed during the Second World War was keeping Churchill from "controlling" the military. What with his obsession with the soft underbelly of Europe (Gallipoli in WW1 and the disastrous Greece campaign in WW2), a tendency towards encouraging grand gestures of dubious military value (Norway and the shelling of the French Fleet) and his Duchatelet-like willingness to replace Generals (most noticeable in North Africa, where commanders were often changed on a whim - mind you, I'm not that big a Montgomery fan, IMHO he was lucky to take command at a time when the Allies were beginning to have greater resources available than the Axis).
  • I don't actually think our squad is that good. Who would you have as Championship starters. Possibly Solly, Tex although our defence is leaky maybe Josh.

    Everyone else is bang average for L1 which is why we're 13th.

    I'm not sure Josh is Championship material. He's a grafter, no doubt, but you need to be more clinical against many of the Championship teams. I think he would struggle.
    Well i think he definitely is, because the first time I saw him was here in Prague representing his country, against a far better defence than anything in the Championship. Admittedly it was only 30 minutes, but he did everything that Kyle Rafferty, whom he replaced, did not. Unlucky not to score with his first touch, and had the Czechs on the back foot with his running of the channels and almost faultless knock downs to green shirts (Rafferty hardly won a single header). Of course he slotted into a team that was orchestrated by Southampton's Steven Davies, the best player on the park that night, but in the Championship he might hope to be playing with someone like Steven Davies.

    Like I said, I might get carried away with a half hour cameo, but when I saw it, i thought "blimey, we have a player here", and when my Czech buddy asked me "You telling me this guy plays in the English Third Division?" I felt a small burst of pride - and **** me, I haven't said that often since 2012.

    Josh Magennis is my only ray of light in this grim season.
    Not that I know, you understand, and it is possible that his mother was keeping some dreadful truth from her husband, but it's Kyle Lafferty.

    Mind you, IMHO, Lafferty's a big headed show pony, who believes he's something special and seems to go missing all too often in club games. Magennis, while less naturally gifted, is everything I like to see in a player. Id love him to score more goals, but you know it's not for want of trying.
    Red face time. Confused him with Gerry Rafferty. who would have had more impact on the night.

  • I don't actually think our squad is that good. Who would you have as Championship starters. Possibly Solly, Tex although our defence is leaky maybe Josh.

    Everyone else is bang average for L1 which is why we're 13th.

    I'm not sure Josh is Championship material. He's a grafter, no doubt, but you need to be more clinical against many of the Championship teams. I think he would struggle.
    Well i think he definitely is, because the first time I saw him was here in Prague representing his country, against a far better defence than anything in the Championship. Admittedly it was only 30 minutes, but he did everything that Kyle Rafferty, whom he replaced, did not. Unlucky not to score with his first touch, and had the Czechs on the back foot with his running of the channels and almost faultless knock downs to green shirts (Rafferty hardly won a single header). Of course he slotted into a team that was orchestrated by Southampton's Steven Davies, the best player on the park that night, but in the Championship he might hope to be playing with someone like Steven Davies.

    Like I said, I might get carried away with a half hour cameo, but when I saw it, i thought "blimey, we have a player here", and when my Czech buddy asked me "You telling me this guy plays in the English Third Division?" I felt a small burst of pride - and **** me, I haven't said that often since 2012.

    Josh Magennis is my only ray of light in this grim season.
    Not that I know, you understand, and it is possible that his mother was keeping some dreadful truth from her husband, but it's Kyle Lafferty.

    Mind you, IMHO, Lafferty's a big headed show pony, who believes he's something special and seems to go missing all too often in club games. Magennis, while less naturally gifted, is everything I like to see in a player. Id love him to score more goals, but you know it's not for want of trying.
    Red face time. Confused him with Gerry Rafferty. who would have had more impact on the night.

    And he'd have "got it right next time"...
  • JamesSeed said:

    Leuth said:

    Leuth said:

    Leuth said:

    And when it no longer matters, when the play offs are out of sight we will go on a little run.

    And all will be well, the future will be bright and we'll be told to renew our season tickets, get behind the team and wait to see how wonderful the rebuilt squad will be in August.

    And some will buy the lies again, just like before.

    That is how Powell began tbf
    Even if Robinson equals Powell, Meire doesn't equal Varney. There was a huge back office effort to build that promotion squad. It wasn't just the manager.
    I do hope the forthcoming Belgium protests focus on Meire's incompetence and the absolute u
    Well said Sue.
    What's your plan - insult the locals with your appalling cod-Walloon in Sint-Truiden?
    Hmm. Are CARD know for violent protests? I think not. Bit of an irresponsible comment imho.
    Leuth´s quote was edited. Which makes my comment look a bit lame. He said something about CARD smashing the place up, which he now regrets saying. Hence the edits.
  • They seem to be playing for him but I have a feeling and agree with those that say he has a good chance of losing the dressing room.

    Too much pressure at a bigger club than MK when things aren't going well and he may crack.

    He can be positive and infectious to fans and players but the players will know a charlatan after a while.

    I hope he succeeds, but just like his formations, 'There's no other way' may be more apt than first realised.
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  • Chizz said:

    Leuth said:

    Chizz said:

    Leuth said:

    @Grapevine49 is the best poster on CL by ________________________ that far, and I read his every word with absolute deadly seriousness - his anti-regime posting is essentially what I take to be the ideal anti-regime line. Even while acknowledging its truth, though, I feel he always leaves space for redemption or compromise - in skewering so accurately what the regime are doing wrong, he lays out the perfect routemap to improvement. We need his sort as CEO with great urgency. He is able to sort the precisely-targeted complaints from the noisy 'f**k 'em all, everyone out, I hate Charlton now' chaff.

    @Chizz, this season is more competently-run, in chief, because I believe we've made a good managerial appointment for perhaps the first time under RD, we've come closer to signing a league-appropriate squad than at any other time under RD, we've employed appropriate scouting methods (as opposed to whatever the hell we were doing before), we've shown less of a reliance on the network and we've probably broken even (yes, we won't find a Lookman every time, but stability is IMO underrated).

    You might call that competence. I call it a criminal lack of ambition.
    Perhaps.

    I really do think the protests have helped btw - not that they've affected our league position, but they've possibly prevented deeper apathy setting in as well as accelerated the improvements that I believe will have us challenging for promotion next season.

    £100 to the Upbeats if we don't finish top six this or next season :) (£50 if we do) (please remind me)
    "Perhaps"?

    OK, let me meet you in the middle. The management of the club this season is *almost* the most incompetent it has ever been in the 112 years of the Charlton Athletic. The only two seasons that have been worse are the last two. So, yes, it's a mild improvement.

    Here's the analogy. You bet on a dog to win a race and it comes in sixth. You bet on a dog to win the next race and that comes sixth too. You bet on a dog to win yet another race and it comes fifth. Best result for ages. Still f*cking awful though.
    But if we're talking about the entire league pyramid of English football, that's fifth out of about nine hundred ;)
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  • Leuth said:

    supaclive said:

    A leader would not win three out of sixteen games in this division "with a top six wage bill"

    If you gave Winston Churchill (Robbo) control of the British Army (CAFC) but then took away its guns (Magennis) for a month, and then gave them back all rusty, why, then the Bosch would be at our bloody doorstep!
    What, would the dishwasher have been knackered as well???

    As an aside, I'm no military expert, but one of the better things that the British managed during the Second World War was keeping Churchill from "controlling" the military. What with his obsession with the soft underbelly of Europe (Gallipoli in WW1 and the disastrous Greece campaign in WW2), a tendency towards encouraging grand gestures of dubious military value (Norway and the shelling of the French Fleet) and his Duchatelet-like willingness to replace Generals (most noticeable in North Africa, where commanders were often changed on a whim - mind you, I'm not that big a Montgomery fan, IMHO he was lucky to take command at a time when the Allies were beginning to have greater resources available than the Axis).
    Most importantly the appointment of Montgomery coincided with rommel loosing his intelligence source of intercepting an American diplomats reports back to Washington and us breaking the enigma code. Thus totally reversing the previous situation.

    Of course nothing to do with Robinson and a weird analogy by leuth in the beginning.
  • Rob7Lee said:

    Yet again he's digging out some players, anyone care to guess which one's? Moral is going to be rock bottom, this could be dangerous if he loses the dressing room.

    He's said not for the first time about peoples dedication, in one sentence he mentions rather having an average player giving 100% than a skilful player just doing enough, and makes mention of the Arsenal Loanee's attitude (when we scored).

    I think if he's here in the summer they'll be an even bigger clearcut than most of us fear.

    1. Declan Rudd - Will go
    2. Lewis Page - Remain
    3. Adam Chicken - Remain
    4. Johnnie Jackson - Will go (sadly, the end is nigh)
    5. Patrick Bauer - Will go
    6. Roger Johnson - Will go (please please please)
    7. Tony Watt - Will go
    8. Andrew Crofts - Might stay I think, one more year.
    9. Josh Magennis -Will go
    11. Ricky Holmes - Will go
    12. Stephy Mavididi (will go back
    13. Dillon Phillips -Remain
    14. Jordan Botaka - Will go
    15. Ezri Konsa - Will go
    16. Jason Pearce - Remain
    17. Fredrik Ulvestad - Will go
    18. Karlan Ahearne-Grant - Will go
    19. Jake Forster-Caskey - Remain
    20. Chris Solly - Remain
    21. Nathan Byrne - Will go
    25. Ahmed Kasha - Gone
    26. Harry Lennon - Will go
    27. Dimitar Bitov - Will go
    30. Lee Novak - Will go
    32. Joe Aribo - Remain
    35. George Lapse - Remain
    36. Jay Dasilva - Will go
    42. Jordan Beeney - Will go
    50. Jorge Teixeira - Will Go

    I think thats how depleted a base we will be starting from.

    Why will Magennis and Holmes go?
  • "13th isn't good enough." You can blame Slade for some of that but neither is three wins from 16 Karl.

    '3 wins from 16'!

    Just reading that again and letting it sink in makes you realise how utterly criminal that return is.
  • Leuth said:

    Leuth said:

    Leuth said:

    Leuth said:

    And when it no longer matters, when the play offs are out of sight we will go on a little run.

    And all will be well, the future will be bright and we'll be told to renew our season tickets, get behind the team and wait to see how wonderful the rebuilt squad will be in August.

    And some will buy the lies again, just like before.

    That is how Powell began tbf
    Even if Robinson equals Powell, Meire doesn't equal Varney. There was a huge back office effort to build that promotion squad. It wasn't just the manager.
    I do hope the forthcoming Belgium protests focus on Meire's incompetence and the absolute unacceptability of a club like Charlton to be in League One without making uncompromising efforts to get out of it. CARD have had their uses so far - this season, contrary to popular opinion, has been much more competently-run than the three previous, perhaps in part due to visible dissent - but the pressure group has to focus its efforts on the areas that can be altered without potentially catastrophic fallout (such as RD selling to an even worse owner, which is imo distinctly possible). A proper CEO who understands what we need in a squad-building sense would be the single biggest step in the right direction.
    Well said Sue.
    What's your plan - smash up a few cafes in Sint-Truiden?
    Don't be so pathetic.

    Why makes up slurs about smashing up anything when you know CARD have never advocated or been involved in any such action.

    You backed the wrong horse, you lost, admit it.
    Why compare me to insipid arselicker Sue Parkes when I'm offering guarded praise of CARD and attempting to bridge the two 'sides' with constructive dialogue? Oh look, and my admittedly lazy swipe has its own flag now. How cute!
    Because you suggested that CARD were planning criminal activity.

    Others compared your confused apologist view to those of another well known apologist.

    Fair or unfair that is nothing like suggesting peaceful protestors are planing physical violence.
    No flag from me but they are valid for the first, not the second point!
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