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Is Roland happy being in League One?

CAFCTrevCAFCTrev
in General Charlton
A few people on here have mentioned that Roland might actually want us to loiter around League One, hence his lack of funding during the transfer window.

Does he though? He loses a ton of money in this league, and from what we heard on the Getting to know the network shows, I think Roland was planning on being in the Championship seemingly forever, making money from youth player sales. Any stab at promotion to the prem would have been a bonus rather then an aim.

The summer will tell the tale, if we see an influx much like the window before Powells promotion season the signs will be positive. Not holding my breath though!
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  • Karim_myBagheriKarim_myBagheri
    yeah. lets wait to see what happens in the January transfer window summer... again..
  • CharltonDave85CharltonDave85
    Simple answer no. why would he be happy losing so much money comperd to the championship.
  • killerandflashkillerandflash
    To answer the question, I'm sure the answer is no, though whether he'll take the correct steps to get us promoted is another issue.

    L1 teams, especially with our size, lose more money. From the point of view of producing young talent (to sell on), being in L1 is less attractive in attracting the decent young players than the Championship too.
  • eaststandmikeeaststandmike
    I don't think the money comes into it with Roland, the money he pumps into the club is by way of a loan and he is adding interest to it. We are part of his experiment with football clubs and he seems to be oblivious to what is going on behind the scenes.

    If I was Roland I would use the losses at Charlton to off set the tax against the profit he makes in the rest of his European companies so he may see us as a handy loss making enterprise to have around.
  • Chris_from_SidcupChris_from_Sidcup
    CharltonDave85 said:

    Simple answer no. why would he be happy losing so much money comperd to the championship.

    How much money has he actually lost this year though? Surely the income from Lookman and Fox outweigh our losses for this season?
  • eaststandmikeeaststandmike
    CharltonDave85 said:

    Simple answer no. why would he be happy losing so much money comperd to the championship.

    What money is he losing, he lends it to the club and puts interest on top so he is getting back more than he puts in?
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  • bobmunrobobmunro
    eaststandmike said:

    CharltonDave85 said:

    Simple answer no. why would he be happy losing so much money comperd to the championship.

    What money is he losing, he lends it to the club and puts interest on top so he is getting back more than he puts in?
    Getting it back from who?

  • Missed ItMissed It
    There are different rules regarding loans in League One. Roland can't keep lending money to Charlton to cover operating losses. In any case, he will lose money when he finally decides to sell. Nobody will meet his asking price (£75m ???!!) if it is going to include all of the debt incurred through his incompetence.
  • rikofoldrikofold
    Some, including David Joyes, have referred to it as quasi equity, in that he's lending money to himself, it has no inherent additional value and no interest will be paid whilst the club is losing money. The problem with this is the value bit. If Roland decides to maintain or recoup that debt when selling the club then whilst the real value of the club is the same (less than when he took over in fact) the cost of acquisition means that the buyer has to value it at the level agreed.

    League One rules don't allow him to loan money for the playing side, but that's no doubt why the Lookman money was pocketed. It won't have offset any debt. Still, a loan for the training ground of equivalent value can be made thus increasing the debt within the rules.
  • HexHex
    If we go back to what we thought his original plan was, ie one of a number of feeder clubs to Standard Liege, then maybe he saw us on a par with his other acquisitions. That would fit in with the level of players sent to the club in the first couple of years. The shock was that Championship football is a much higher standard, more expensive than he thought and largely on a par with the Belgium top league.

    Having made the mistake he would have been happy to poodle along in the Championship, only looking towards the EPL if we were very lucky and all of his ducks happened to line up. He didn't want us to get relegated but perhaps now sees L1 as a better fit to his original plans albeit that we are a general EPL/Championship feeder club rather than specifically to SL.

    Hope I'm wrong.
  • johnny73johnny73
    Still think the main premise of player development and sales is exactly the same as when he took over the club. An absolute feeder club mentality.

    The difference from Duches perspective is that I think he has figured out that break even is a more achievable goal by spending as little on purchasing players as possible than the previous 'moneyball' approach.

    If he can sell players, each season, for a target of 6 to 7 million a year, with performance add ons / resale percentages, then after 5 years he could potentially have 15 to 20 former players at higher league clubs bringing income into the network.

    Perhaps he would like promotion but it would be a secondary objective. It's hard enough getting promoted when it's a primary aim and so I can't see us going up under this regime.

    I'm not criticizing anyone, because I am only a fan and many contributers to this forum are true supporters, but when I see threads celebrating the success of our former players it makes me think the Duche aim of seeing the 'premiership stars of tomorrow' is gradually working into the mindset of club supporters. (I know it's not as black / white as that and you should be able to enjoy the success of these players and take pride in it).
  • CAFCTrevCAFCTrev
    The whole happily loading the club with debt because he will make money on the interest tack doesnt work. Like ppl have said already its debt to himself, and it will only pay if someone pays him the crazy figure he is quoting for the club. Only a fool would pay that for an L1 club so hes going to have to lower it significantly , therefore negating any kind of profit he could have made.

    Presumably the longer we float around in L1 the more money he will owe himself? How much money do Charlton lose in L1 in a season, not counting the income from player sales.
  • iainambleriainambler
    I'm sure Roland thinks that the sales of Gomez and Lookman are a sign of his success and cunning business acumen. Clubs like ourselves will develop and sell on a number of players - though not at standard of £11m a go - that was sheer luck on the part of the talent scout (and where is that scout now?).

    We do hear figures of losing £1m a week - no idea if these are accurate or seriously wide of the mark, but it's likely that over the course of a year Roland will be losing more than he profits from player sales isn't it?

    Roland should be unhappy at being in League One. He should have been unhappy at being in the Championship. He has a lack of aspiration and ambition. The aim of any club is for promotion in the first instance, and if that can't realistically be achieved to finish as high as is possible in the league. It is also about giving the fans what they want - which is a really good time watching the team they love playing a great game. It's not about the aspiration being that it's a wannabee social destination - although it should end up being that through the ambition of being the best possible.
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  • jonseventyfivejonseventyfive
    All I know is , I hate league and I fear RD isn't really bothered, he can tick over at this level for years in the hope of getting up and adding value.
  • Dave2lDave2l
    The simple actual answer is neither yes and neither no.

    He doesn't care.

    Hasn't been a game since October 2014.

    Also been proven he doesn't stream the games from his Belgian lair.

    Something that was fairly assumed.
  • eaststandmikeeaststandmike
    bobmunro said:

    eaststandmike said:

    CharltonDave85 said:

    Simple answer no. why would he be happy losing so much money comperd to the championship.

    What money is he losing, he lends it to the club and puts interest on top so he is getting back more than he puts in?
    Getting it back from who?

    Where do you think the £11m for Lookman has gone? I bet at least half of that has found its way back to belgium.
  • bobmunrobobmunro
    edited February 2017
    eaststandmike said:

    bobmunro said:

    eaststandmike said:

    CharltonDave85 said:

    Simple answer no. why would he be happy losing so much money comperd to the championship.

    What money is he losing, he lends it to the club and puts interest on top so he is getting back more than he puts in?
    Getting it back from who?

    Where do you think the £11m for Lookman has gone? I bet at least half of that has found its way back to belgium.
    Yes I know - but my point, as others have said, is that he is giving back to himself that which he has loaned. It just reduces his losses. The interest on top is like saying 'I'll put ten grand in an ISA and pay myself 10%'.

    The only way he gets back his investment and any fictional interest he is cross charging is if he can find someone stupid enough to take on the debt.
  • HartleypeteHartleypete
    Does he even know what league we are in? Has Daisy told him yet?
  • Dazzler21Dazzler21
    Jodaius said:

    I seem to remember before the start of the season the club making all the right noises about a commitment to promotion.

    Not a lot happened in the summer (again), but lots of people still gave him the benefit of the doubt and said wait until January.

    Now nothing has happened in January, people are again saying wait until the summer.

    How many chances does he get?

    His intentions are irrelevant for me at this stage. Even if he does want to get promoted, his continuing arrogance and incompetence make it an impossibility. The club will not thrive again until he is gone.

    Just my opinion of course!

    That's rubbish.

    We did invest and got some decent players and some crap as expected. Now we need him to sell or get in a proper scouting network.
  • dizzeedizzee
    Het old me he loves it but prefers league 2.
  • Henry IrvingHenry Irving
    I think Katrien is still plucking up the courage to tell Roland we got relegated.
  • SoundAsa£SoundAsa£
    Funnily enough (although it was nice having the lad around for a few months), I don't think the Lookman deal did us any favours......it simply served as an encouraging example to Goldfinger of how 'his idea of success' may unfold in the future.
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