El Hadji Ba contract terminated and Muldoon released

Kap10

Huskaris said:

It's not the lack of spending that has been the downfall of this club, but the way it is spent. What an absolute failure.

Best of luck to Muldoon.

Totally agree with this, complaints that RD has not invested are way off the mark, but the amount of money spent if spent wisely should have made us a top 10 championship club, but instead FIFA football purchases and manager and player pay offs, plus the early offloading of quality playing assets have left us in a wannabee League One PlayOff team.

colthe3rd

I'm sure there were a number of Sunderland fans saying he had potential and injuries held him back. Strange how some fans view of a player is miles away from another clubs'.

Oggy Red

I'm guessing Muldoon's contract was due to expire in June.

By releasing him yesterday, I imagine Muldoon should have another offer already lined up as a free agent?

kings hill addick

If we can get a young player to sign on, say, £1k a week for four years that limits out exposure to £200k. If he then makes it we can sell him for a profit.

The Lookman money was never going to be spent on the first team but if we take just 10% of it it will fund the signing of four players on four year deals and then if just one of them makes it it pays for itself.

For every Oliver Muldoon there is a Diego Poyet. I wish Poyet had been given a five year deal at 18!

kings hill addick

Re: Ba, and the others, whom ever has been advising on signings, wages and length of contract should be removed from their position. It is not easy predicting the future but the end result is that most of the players we've signed since Powell left have not delivered on their cost.

Having said that I'm still not sure that KM has wasted as much money as Pardew did. Luke Varney, Izale McCloud, Andy Gray and some player called Jensen that never made a first team appearance, to name a few.

Lincsaddick

irrespective of fees paid for them etc., both are surplus to requirements and it's best they have gone, both for them and for the club

LenGlover

kings hill addick said:

Re: Ba, and the others, whom ever has been advising on signings, wages and length of contract should be removed from their position. It is not easy predicting the future but the end result is that most of the players we've signed since Powell left have not delivered on their cost.

Having said that I'm still not sure that KM has wasted as much money as Pardew did. Luke Varney, Izale McCloud, Andy Gray and some player called Jensen that never made a first team appearance, to name a few.

You mean Martin Christensen

kings hill addick

LenGlover said:

kings hill addick said:

Re: Ba, and the others, whom ever has been advising on signings, wages and length of contract should be removed from their position. It is not easy predicting the future but the end result is that most of the players we've signed since Powell left have not delivered on their cost.

Having said that I'm still not sure that KM has wasted as much money as Pardew did. Luke Varney, Izale McCloud, Andy Gray and some player called Jensen that never made a first team appearance, to name a few.

You mean Martin Christensen

Yes I do. I have no idea how I got that so wrong - maybe it's because I never saw him play and don't even know what he looks like.

Covered End

RedPanda said:

What's Ba on? Very minimum 7k, max 15?

7 x 65 weeks = £455'000 paid off, plus the previous 18 months of £546'000.

So that is £1 million directly down the toilet (and extra we owe Staprix), minimum!

Which is exactly why RD wants to develop the kids and loan in kids !

blackpool72

It goes on and on.
Shite players given long contracts, once it becomes apparent they are shite we are lumbered with them.
We can't sell them because nobody will match their wages so they decide to stay.
We send them out on loan but still pay most of their wages or we cancel their contracts costing us millions.
Incompetent beyond belief.
Just sell the club and fuck off

jams

killerandflash said:

Home grown academy players tend to be on relatively low wages anyway until they break through

The Bosman rule etc has made things much harder for smaller clubs with academies. You can easily lose players for a pittance after nurturing them for over 10 years.

Isn't Dillon Phillips on a derisory weekly wage? Sure I remember his proposed move to Cheltenham would have got him an increase

Kap10

kings hill addick said:

LenGlover said:

kings hill addick said:

Re: Ba, and the others, whom ever has been advising on signings, wages and length of contract should be removed from their position. It is not easy predicting the future but the end result is that most of the players we've signed since Powell left have not delivered on their cost.

Having said that I'm still not sure that KM has wasted as much money as Pardew did. Luke Varney, Izale McCloud, Andy Gray and some player called Jensen that never made a first team appearance, to name a few.

You mean Martin Christensen

Yes I do. I have no idea how I got that so wrong - maybe it's because I never saw him play and don't even know what he looks like.

Martin Jensen Christensen maybe :-)

Athletico Charlton

kings hill addick said:

If we can get a young player to sign on, say, £1k a week for four years that limits out exposure to £200k. If he then makes it we can sell him for a profit.

The Lookman money was never going to be spent on the first team but if we take just 10% of it it will fund the signing of four players on four year deals and then if just one of them makes it it pays for itself.

For every Oliver Muldoon there is a Diego Poyet. I wish Poyet had been given a five year deal at 18!

I think this is good in theory but in reality there are probably 15 Oliver Muldoons to every Diego Poyet and Diego probably only netted us £500K or so anyway. It is very rare for a LeagueOne club to get more than £3M for a player I expect and that doesn't even cover losses let alone further cheap punts. It really is fantastically rare to find a Lookman nowadays.

Oggy Red

jams said:

killerandflash said:

Home grown academy players tend to be on relatively low wages anyway until they break through

The Bosman rule etc has made things much harder for smaller clubs with academies. You can easily lose players for a pittance after nurturing them for over 10 years.

Isn't Dillon Phillips on a derisory weekly wage? Sure I remember his proposed move to Cheltenham would have got him an increase

I believe I read somwhere he was given an improved contract in the summer.

Perhaps Scoham may know?

Scoham

kings hill addick said:

LenGlover said:

kings hill addick said:

Re: Ba, and the others, whom ever has been advising on signings, wages and length of contract should be removed from their position. It is not easy predicting the future but the end result is that most of the players we've signed since Powell left have not delivered on their cost.

Having said that I'm still not sure that KM has wasted as much money as Pardew did. Luke Varney, Izale McCloud, Andy Gray and some player called Jensen that never made a first team appearance, to name a few.

You mean Martin Christensen

Yes I do. I have no idea how I got that so wrong - maybe it's because I never saw him play and don't even know what he looks like.

You probably mixed him up with another young Danish player we signed around the same time:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikkel_Rygaard_Jensen

Oggy Red said:

jams said:

killerandflash said:

Home grown academy players tend to be on relatively low wages anyway until they break through

The Bosman rule etc has made things much harder for smaller clubs with academies. You can easily lose players for a pittance after nurturing them for over 10 years.

Isn't Dillon Phillips on a derisory weekly wage? Sure I remember his proposed move to Cheltenham would have got him an increase

I believe I read somwhere he was given an improved contract in the summer.

Perhaps Scoham may know?

He signed a new contract last May but I thought talk of his low wage was going on after that, either in the summer or early on this season?

simonmatthews

LenGlover said:

kings hill addick said:

Re: Ba, and the others, whom ever has been advising on signings, wages and length of contract should be removed from their position. It is not easy predicting the future but the end result is that most of the players we've signed since Powell left have not delivered on their cost.

Having said that I'm still not sure that KM has wasted as much money as Pardew did. Luke Varney, Izale McCloud, Andy Gray and some player called Jensen that never made a first team appearance, to name a few.

You mean Martin Christensen

Both - Mikkel Jensen and Martin Christensen.

We should do an XI of the 'best' players never to play for us.....

kings hill addick

Athletico Charlton said:

kings hill addick said:

If we can get a young player to sign on, say, £1k a week for four years that limits out exposure to £200k. If he then makes it we can sell him for a profit.

The Lookman money was never going to be spent on the first team but if we take just 10% of it it will fund the signing of four players on four year deals and then if just one of them makes it it pays for itself.

For every Oliver Muldoon there is a Diego Poyet. I wish Poyet had been given a five year deal at 18!

I think this is good in theory but in reality there are probably 15 Oliver Muldoons to every Diego Poyet and Diego probably only netted us £500K or so anyway. It is very rare for a LeagueOne club to get more than £3M for a player I expect and that doesn't even cover losses let alone further cheap punts. It really is fantastically rare to find a Lookman nowadays.

Yeah what I meant was that we should have tied Poyet to a longer contract. If we had we might have got a lot more money for him.

I don't know what the numbers are but I think, as a precaution, we should try to tie all the players that might come good to a long-ish contract - especially when at that age their aspirations will be relatively low.

I do accept, though, that this could well be the wrong approach and we might not fine enough diamonds to even bother keeping the Academy going.

killerandflash

Athletico Charlton said:

kings hill addick said:

If we can get a young player to sign on, say, £1k a week for four years that limits out exposure to £200k. If he then makes it we can sell him for a profit.

The Lookman money was never going to be spent on the first team but if we take just 10% of it it will fund the signing of four players on four year deals and then if just one of them makes it it pays for itself.

For every Oliver Muldoon there is a Diego Poyet. I wish Poyet had been given a five year deal at 18!

I think this is good in theory but in reality there are probably 15 Oliver Muldoons to every Diego Poyet and Diego probably only netted us £500K or so anyway. It is very rare for a LeagueOne club to get more than £3M for a player I expect and that doesn't even cover losses let alone further cheap punts. It really is fantastically rare to find a Lookman nowadays.

Zach Clough went for £3m I think, which outs the Lookman fee in perspective

Alwaysneil

I think the academy has a few years left in it. My worry is that good local lads who would previously joined charlton between 7 and 10 are not joining now.

It used to be that charlton was known as a good development club, a good family club and that was why we got more talent than maybe others.
Now we are seen by the parents as a basket case club at the higher levels and they send their kids elsewhere.

The current regime is not just damaging our current fan base it is reducing our possibility of bringing through future talent.

ForeverAddickted

Mikkel Rygaard really looks as though he had a rough paper-round.

killerandflash

Alwaysneil said:

I think the academy has a few years left in it. My worry is that good local lads who would previously joined charlton between 7 and 10 are not joining now.

It used to be that charlton was known as a good development club, a good family club and that was why we got more talent than maybe others.
Now we are seen by the parents as a basket case club at the higher levels and they send their kids elsewhere.

The current regime is not just damaging our current fan base it is reducing our possibility of bringing through future talent.

I doubt recent events would have made much difference. As a parent they see academy products getting into the first team, then getting decent moves elsewhere.

While we all like to be proud of our academy, if you were to compare it objectively with West Ham and Palace, it will be interesting to see who objectively has brought through more decent players over the last 10 years. More of ours are getting in the 1st team, but that's because we're in the 3rd division

cantersaddick

killerandflash said:

Alwaysneil said:

I think the academy has a few years left in it. My worry is that good local lads who would previously joined charlton between 7 and 10 are not joining now.

It used to be that charlton was known as a good development club, a good family club and that was why we got more talent than maybe others.
Now we are seen by the parents as a basket case club at the higher levels and they send their kids elsewhere.

The current regime is not just damaging our current fan base it is reducing our possibility of bringing through future talent.

I doubt recent events would have made much difference. As a parent they see academy products getting into the first team, then getting decent moves elsewhere.

While we all like to be proud of our academy, if you were to compare it objectively with West Ham and Palace, it will be interesting to see who objectively has brought through more decent players over the last 10 years. More of ours are getting in the 1st team, but that's because we're in the 3rd division

Didnt Sam Bone move on because his dad was of the opinion the club was a basket case?

He was an incredibly highly thought if prospect.

ForeverAddickted

cantersaddick said:

killerandflash said:

Alwaysneil said:

I think the academy has a few years left in it. My worry is that good local lads who would previously joined charlton between 7 and 10 are not joining now.

It used to be that charlton was known as a good development club, a good family club and that was why we got more talent than maybe others.
Now we are seen by the parents as a basket case club at the higher levels and they send their kids elsewhere.

The current regime is not just damaging our current fan base it is reducing our possibility of bringing through future talent.

I doubt recent events would have made much difference. As a parent they see academy products getting into the first team, then getting decent moves elsewhere.

While we all like to be proud of our academy, if you were to compare it objectively with West Ham and Palace, it will be interesting to see who objectively has brought through more decent players over the last 10 years. More of ours are getting in the 1st team, but that's because we're in the 3rd division

Didnt Sam Bone move on because his dad was of the opinion the club was a basket case?

He was an incredibly highly thought if prospect.

Sam Bone appears to be a strange case because he's not appeared anywhere!!

Its almost like he's moved because of his Dad's opinion but has cut his nose off to spite his face

dickplumb

Sam Bone was released by the Club because they thought he wasn't good enough.

Henry Irving

ForeverAddickted said:

cantersaddick said:

killerandflash said:

Alwaysneil said:

I think the academy has a few years left in it. My worry is that good local lads who would previously joined charlton between 7 and 10 are not joining now.

It used to be that charlton was known as a good development club, a good family club and that was why we got more talent than maybe others.
Now we are seen by the parents as a basket case club at the higher levels and they send their kids elsewhere.

The current regime is not just damaging our current fan base it is reducing our possibility of bringing through future talent.

I doubt recent events would have made much difference. As a parent they see academy products getting into the first team, then getting decent moves elsewhere.

While we all like to be proud of our academy, if you were to compare it objectively with West Ham and Palace, it will be interesting to see who objectively has brought through more decent players over the last 10 years. More of ours are getting in the 1st team, but that's because we're in the 3rd division

Didnt Sam Bone move on because his dad was of the opinion the club was a basket case?

He was an incredibly highly thought if prospect.

Sam Bone appears to be a strange case because he's not appeared anywhere!!

Its almost like he's moved because of his Dad's opinion but has cut his nose off to spite his face

Was going to ask where he ended up.

Was that the real reason or sour grapes

On his twitter feed he is wearing this strip. Shamrock Rovers I think

EDIT just seen Dick Plumb's post

soapboxsam

dickplumb said:

Sam Bone was released by the Club because they thought he wasn't good enough.

So he was good enough to play in that Youth final at Brentford(Lookman, Hanlan, konsa ETC) which Charlton won as a 16 year old ( the youngest CAFC player i believe)
but not good enough to be kept on ?
Sounds like more Bullshit from the club.

I tend to believe there was a fall out with a parent.

killerandflash

soapboxsam said:

dickplumb said:

Sam Bone was released by the Club because they thought he wasn't good enough.

So he was good enough to play in that Youth final at Brentford(Lookman, Hanlan, konsa ETC) which Charlton won as a 16 year old ( the youngest CAFC player i believe)
but not good enough to be kept on ?
Sounds like more Bullshit from the club.

I tend to believe there was a fall out with a parent.

Clubs release academy players all the time, just because he was in a successful team it doesn't mean that all the players will get offered pro contracts

soapboxsam

killerandflash said:

soapboxsam said:

dickplumb said:

Sam Bone was released by the Club because they thought he wasn't good enough.

So he was good enough to play in that Youth final at Brentford(Lookman, Hanlan, konsa ETC) which Charlton won as a 16 year old ( the youngest CAFC player i believe)
but not good enough to be kept on ?
Sounds like more Bullshit from the club.

I tend to believe there was a fall out with a parent.

Clubs release academy players all the time, just because he was in a successful team it doesn't mean that all the players will get offered pro contracts

I saw the kid play twice and believe me he wasn't just making up the numbers, he was a big strong boy for 16 who read the game well.
Minutes after writing the above i see it's been reported that he had been ill.

Henry Irving

soapboxsam said:

dickplumb said:

Sam Bone was released by the Club because they thought he wasn't good enough.

So he was good enough to play in that Youth final at Brentford(Lookman, Hanlan, konsa ETC) which Charlton won as a 16 year old ( the youngest CAFC player i believe)
but not good enough to be kept on ?
Sounds like more Bullshit from the club.

I tend to believe there was a fall out with a parent.

Terrible logic. Not every player in a team is as good as the others or kicks on as they grow.

You say "etc" but who were the other players and where are they are now?

cantersaddick

Henry Irving said:

soapboxsam said:

dickplumb said:

Sam Bone was released by the Club because they thought he wasn't good enough.

So he was good enough to play in that Youth final at Brentford(Lookman, Hanlan, konsa ETC) which Charlton won as a 16 year old ( the youngest CAFC player i believe)
but not good enough to be kept on ?
Sounds like more Bullshit from the club.

I tend to believe there was a fall out with a parent.

Terrible logic. Not every player in a team is as good as the others or kicks on as they grow.

You say "etc" but who were the other players and where are they are now?

Except for the fact he was a key part of that team all year despite being 2 years younger than the next youngest regular. And 3/4 years younger than a number of other players.