What are the lottery numbers this week Sam, seeing as you've got your crystal ball out.
We've been through this many, many times. They don't buy clubs to enhance a team's prospects, they do it to enhance the Red Bull brand (whilst changing the name and kit).
Have "we" been through it many many times? What was my view then, seeing as you seem to know all about me?
For the record, I wouldn't want red bull as owners. But Sam seems to be saying that we'd be better off under the current shitpot because he knows exactly what both parties would do. Not a view or opinion on what they might do. He KNOWS what they are thinking. He's gifted.
It's not difficult, look at every team red bull have bought. New badge new name new kit couloir and new stadium name. We would absolutely be better off identity wise under these lot
All their teams end up being one of the best in the world in each sport though....
Red Bull Salzburg isn't even best in Austria any more. Check it out
Since Red Bull bought them, they've won the league 7 times and been runner up 4 times. I bet their fans are gutted they were bought!
What are the lottery numbers this week Sam, seeing as you've got your crystal ball out.
We've been through this many, many times. They don't buy clubs to enhance a team's prospects, they do it to enhance the Red Bull brand (whilst changing the name and kit).
Have "we" been through it many many times? What was my view then, seeing as you seem to know all about me?
For the record, I wouldn't want red bull as owners. But Sam seems to be saying that we'd be better off under the current shitpot because he knows exactly what both parties would do. Not a view or opinion on what they might do. He KNOWS what they are thinking. He's gifted.
It's not difficult, look at every team red bull have bought. New badge new name new kit couloir and new stadium name. We would absolutely be better off identity wise under these lot
All their teams end up being one of the best in the world in each sport though....
Red Bull Salzburg isn't even best in Austria any more. Check it out
Since Red Bull bought them, they've won the league 7 times and been runner up 4 times. I bet their fans are gutted they were bought!
From WSC:
Yet Mateschitz’s brazenness in treating the re-named “Red Bull Salzburg” as a mere marketing instrument for his company has alienated fans. Austria Salzburg’s illustrious history has been airbrushed from the website of the club, which now has a new crest and appears to have been founded in 2005.
More insensitive still was the jettisoning of the violet and white colours in which Salzburg have played since 1933 in favour of red and white (home) and blue (away). Dismissing supporters’ criticism as “kindergarten stuff”, Mateschitz stated: “The red bull can’t be violet, or else we couldn’t call it Red Bull.”
Salzburg fans wearing violet and white were refused entry to a pre-season friendly against Hajduk Split with the words: “The club doesn’t want this.” Although Red Bull blamed local stewards for the incident, they were subsequently identified as being from Salzburg’s own stadium.
Yeah it sounds thrilling. So thrilling some went and formed SV Austria Salzburg.
What are the lottery numbers this week Sam, seeing as you've got your crystal ball out.
We've been through this many, many times. They don't buy clubs to enhance a team's prospects, they do it to enhance the Red Bull brand (whilst changing the name and kit).
Have "we" been through it many many times? What was my view then, seeing as you seem to know all about me?
For the record, I wouldn't want red bull as owners. But Sam seems to be saying that we'd be better off under the current shitpot because he knows exactly what both parties would do. Not a view or opinion on what they might do. He KNOWS what they are thinking. He's gifted.
It's not difficult, look at every team red bull have bought. New badge new name new kit couloir and new stadium name. We would absolutely be better off identity wise under these lot
All their teams end up being one of the best in the world in each sport though....
Red Bull Salzburg isn't even best in Austria any more. Check it out
Since Red Bull bought them, they've won the league 7 times and been runner up 4 times. I bet their fans are gutted they were bought!
I am referring particularly to what has happened since RB Leipzig started rolling.
I doubt they'd be able to change the name of the club.
Hull Tigers, anyone??
The Allam family have not been allowed to change the name from Hull City, to Hull Tigers. They certainly want to, or did, but the FA finally upheld something correctly in turning it down.
In an extremely hypothetical situation, I think the only way the FA would allow a club name to change would be if there ever was a merger between 2 clubs. If the shit hit the fan for Millwall, & Charlton, RB London anyone? (Shudder to think!)
Ron Toades seemed to have a target of putting together South London United FC (or something like that) after our move to Shithurst, & trying to bleed us to death financially while we were there.
ChaRBlton Athletic, in the mega dome in front of 28,000 happy clappers as they buy their way to the seventeenth title in a row with money made from selling a pissy energy drink to idiots. What would be the point? Really? It's the struggle that makes it worthwhile. That, and the very occasional glimpse of fleeting success that's so valuable BECAUSE it's so rare. Winning. Pah! Keep it.
In an atmosphere of madness and uncertainty across Roland's reasons for buying us, the 'buttering us up' for a company like Red bull to take the reigns sits pretty much up at the top of my list.
I still want Rolys strolling band of tossers to fuck off though. You've got to be struggling FOR something.
We live in hope that RD will sell up and we will find an owner that will do the best for the club. And we live in fear that he will destroy the club entirely. I've never thought that would happen. But selling to Red Bull could well be the way he does it.
Fortunately, I can't see why RB would want to, because everything they do is a marketing exercise that sells more insanely sugary drinks. And being unable to change our name would surely be a deal breaker. Changing the name of the ground, colour of kit etc. wouldn't be enough, I don't think.
If Red Bull were refused permission to change a club's name then they just wouldn't be interested. Their brand is everything. If the FA allowed, for example, Charlton Red Bulls this would leave the door open to Johnnie Walker Wolves, the Brentford Birds Eyes, Accrington Amazons and Millwall Milky Bars. Hmm, maybe not so bad!
Their only option could be to pick up a club in administration or liquidation where a total rebranding could be permissible.
If Red Bull were refused permission to change a club's name then they just wouldn't be interested. Their brand is everything. If the FA allowed, for example, Charlton Red Bulls this would leave the door open to Johnnie Walker Wolves, the Brentford Birds Eyes, Accrington Amazons and Millwall Milky Bars. Hmm, maybe not so bad!
Their only option could be to pick up a club in administration or liquidation where a total rebranding could be permissible.
I think that you might have hit on Rolands grand plan. He clearly bought us to run the club into the ground so he can sell us to Red Bull so they can do with us as they wish.
Either watch our club languish in the lower tiers of League football to be a perpetual shop window for our gifted academy players and the not-so-gifted network journeymen, and watch our attendances dwindle to virtually nothing.
Or have a chance back at Premier League glory, but risk anything from the Valley being rebranded the Red Bull Valley, to our badge being rebranded with the bull.
The first option condemns our club, but the second option condemns our heritage. What's more important?
Something like this? It's got the bull and keeps our sword.
I have to be honest and say I'm not sure how I would feel if this scenario were to take place. Very much a river to be crossed as and when we get to it......if we ever even reach the banks that is.
What are the lottery numbers this week Sam, seeing as you've got your crystal ball out.
We've been through this many, many times. They don't buy clubs to enhance a team's prospects, they do it to enhance the Red Bull brand (whilst changing the name and kit).
Have "we" been through it many many times? What was my view then, seeing as you seem to know all about me?
For the record, I wouldn't want red bull as owners. But Sam seems to be saying that we'd be better off under the current shitpot because he knows exactly what both parties would do. Not a view or opinion on what they might do. He KNOWS what they are thinking. He's gifted.
It's not difficult, look at every team red bull have bought. New badge new name new kit couloir and new stadium name. We would absolutely be better off identity wise under these lot
All their teams end up being one of the best in the world in each sport though....
Red Bull Salzburg isn't even best in Austria any more. Check it out
Since Red Bull bought them, they've won the league 7 times and been runner up 4 times. I bet their fans are gutted they were bought!
I am referring particularly to what has happened since RB Leipzig started rolling.
how do you mean? Salzburg won the league last year and Leipzig have had several promotions to now be near the top of the bundasliga.
Red Bull would be RD on Steroids. Yes we would get massive investment but their aim is still to buy young and sell on for a big profit. There is already talk the kid they bought last year from Forest will go on loan to Salzburg, to get game time and then come back.
Roland Bull Athletic or Team Red Duchatelet. Then we've got the best of both worlds. Meire can drive one of those stupid open top beetle cars they give the promo girls and hand out cans of red bull and Roland's political manifesto from the days when he was in politics to the moody adolescent teenagers of south east London.
What are the lottery numbers this week Sam, seeing as you've got your crystal ball out.
We've been through this many, many times. They don't buy clubs to enhance a team's prospects, they do it to enhance the Red Bull brand (whilst changing the name and kit).
Have "we" been through it many many times? What was my view then, seeing as you seem to know all about me?
For the record, I wouldn't want red bull as owners. But Sam seems to be saying that we'd be better off under the current shitpot because he knows exactly what both parties would do. Not a view or opinion on what they might do. He KNOWS what they are thinking. He's gifted.
It's not difficult, look at every team red bull have bought. New badge new name new kit couloir and new stadium name. We would absolutely be better off identity wise under these lot
All their teams end up being one of the best in the world in each sport though....
Red Bull Salzburg isn't even best in Austria any more. Check it out
Since Red Bull bought them, they've won the league 7 times and been runner up 4 times. I bet their fans are gutted they were bought!
I am referring particularly to what has happened since RB Leipzig started rolling.
how do you mean? Salzburg won the league last year and Leipzig have had several promotions to now be near the top of the bundasliga.
Earlier in the season I read that it looked like Salzburg had dropped down RB's priorities after Leipzig got into B1. I may be wrong but didn't the Leipzig coach come from Salzburg? Salzburg crashed out of the UCL qualifying rounds, and started badly in the Europa League, although I now see they have picked up, but still unlikely to qualify for knockouts. So they are doing no better than Rapid Vienna and Austria Vienna in Europe and the talk was that with so much money behind them, they really should be, and that in fact the money was being diverted to Leipzig.
But maybe it was just fan reaction to a disappointing start and the departure of some players.
While updating myself I noted that in their (good) last Europa League win over Schalke they got a crowd of 23,000, however the previous Bundesliga game only attracted less than 5,000. You can see there why RB as a business would prioritise Leipzig, with much bigger crowds (the only Eastern German team in B1 for years) and much more TV revenue
What are the lottery numbers this week Sam, seeing as you've got your crystal ball out.
We've been through this many, many times. They don't buy clubs to enhance a team's prospects, they do it to enhance the Red Bull brand (whilst changing the name and kit).
Have "we" been through it many many times? What was my view then, seeing as you seem to know all about me?
For the record, I wouldn't want red bull as owners. But Sam seems to be saying that we'd be better off under the current shitpot because he knows exactly what both parties would do. Not a view or opinion on what they might do. He KNOWS what they are thinking. He's gifted.
It's not difficult, look at every team red bull have bought. New badge new name new kit couloir and new stadium name. We would absolutely be better off identity wise under these lot
All their teams end up being one of the best in the world in each sport though....
Red Bull Salzburg isn't even best in Austria any more. Check it out
Since Red Bull bought them, they've won the league 7 times and been runner up 4 times. I bet their fans are gutted they were bought!
I am referring particularly to what has happened since RB Leipzig started rolling.
how do you mean? Salzburg won the league last year and Leipzig have had several promotions to now be near the top of the bundasliga.
Earlier in the season I read that it looked like Salzburg had dropped down RB's priorities after Leipzig got into B1. I may be wrong but didn't the Leipzig coach come from Salzburg? Salzburg crashed out of the UCL qualifying rounds, and started badly in the Europa League, although I now see they have picked up, but still unlikely to qualify for knockouts. So they are doing no better than Rapid Vienna and Austria Vienna in Europe and the talk was that with so much money behind them, they really should be, and that in fact the money was being diverted to Leipzig.
But maybe it was just fan reaction to a disappointing start and the departure of some players.
While updating myself I noted that in their (good) last Europa League win over Schalke they got a crowd of 23,000, however the previous Bundesliga game only attracted less than 5,000. You can see there why RB as a business would prioritise Leipzig, with much bigger crowds (the only Eastern German team in B1 for years) and much more TV revenue
didn't know Leipzig were the only eastern german team in the top league. that's a massive incentive to get them up there. must be a big catchment area (though some wouldn't go anywhere near them due to the red bull connection) as for Salzburg I would of thought they could probably keep them in the Austrian top division without huge amount's of spending. (btw I have never seen a Austrian game but I presume it isn't top notch football) the home support probably would be even worse if the employees of red bull weren't being forced asked to go.
if they took over an English lower league team they would pump money into in till they are in the prem. like with most of their sporting adventures they want to be up there competing with the best. which of course goes along with their main product which makes you personally better and more energised (goes with the charger comment before) if you drink it. also the prem has the most money apart from maybe china now. however I think the hurdle in this country of trying to change the name of a club might have put them off, for now anyway.
Yes the East german thing has great potential for Leipzig, as it taps into the resentment that lingers there among some (although myself I don't have much sympathy for that resentment). Dynamo Dresden are hauling themselves back up, but Hansa Rostock are deep in the mire.
I think RD thinks he is going to ride that wave too, he has business in the regioan and seems to me to seek acclaim from the grateful citizens.
Austrian top level football has been until recently worse than Czech football, although there has been a mini renaissance in the last 5 years, the national team is the strongest for a while. While I was there on holiday in summer I saw village team stadia with really great looking facilities, but you don't feel they have football in their soul. 2008 in Innsbruck was dire, we stayed the previous night in Munich and you'd have thought the tourno was in Germany, not Austria.
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Yet Mateschitz’s brazenness in treating the re-named “Red Bull Salzburg” as a mere marketing instrument for his company has alienated fans. Austria Salzburg’s illustrious history has been airbrushed from the website of the club, which now has a new crest and appears to have been founded in 2005.
More insensitive still was the jettisoning of the violet and white colours in which Salzburg have played since 1933 in favour of red and white (home) and blue (away). Dismissing supporters’ criticism as “kindergarten stuff”, Mateschitz stated: “The red bull can’t be violet, or else we couldn’t call it Red Bull.”
Salzburg fans wearing violet and white were refused entry to a pre-season friendly against Hajduk Split with the words: “The club doesn’t want this.” Although Red Bull blamed local stewards for the incident, they were subsequently identified as being from Salzburg’s own stadium.
Yeah it sounds thrilling. So thrilling some went and formed SV Austria Salzburg.
In an extremely hypothetical situation, I think the only way the FA would allow a club name to change would be if there ever was a merger between 2 clubs. If the shit hit the fan for Millwall, & Charlton, RB London anyone? (Shudder to think!)
Ron Toades seemed to have a target of putting together South London United FC (or something like that) after our move to Shithurst, & trying to bleed us to death financially while we were there.
What would be the point? Really?
It's the struggle that makes it worthwhile. That, and the very occasional glimpse of fleeting success that's so valuable BECAUSE it's so rare.
Winning. Pah! Keep it.
God have mercy.
Fortunately, I can't see why RB would want to, because everything they do is a marketing exercise that sells more insanely sugary drinks. And being unable to change our name would surely be a deal breaker. Changing the name of the ground, colour of kit etc. wouldn't be enough, I don't think.
Their only option could be to pick up a club in administration or liquidation where a total rebranding could be permissible.
Very much a river to be crossed as and when we get to it......if we ever even reach the banks that is.
Selling on young talent might make the clubs they own self-sufficient maybe.
Roland Bull Athletic or Team Red Duchatelet. Then we've got the best of both worlds. Meire can drive one of those stupid open top beetle cars they give the promo girls and hand out cans of red bull and Roland's political manifesto from the days when he was in politics to the moody adolescent teenagers of south east London.
Everyone's a winner
But maybe it was just fan reaction to a disappointing start and the departure of some players.
While updating myself I noted that in their (good) last Europa League win over Schalke they got a crowd of 23,000, however the previous Bundesliga game only attracted less than 5,000. You can see there why RB as a business would prioritise Leipzig, with much bigger crowds (the only Eastern German team in B1 for years) and much more TV revenue
as for Salzburg I would of thought they could probably keep them in the Austrian top division without huge amount's of spending. (btw I have never seen a Austrian game but I presume it isn't top notch football)
the home support probably would be even worse if the employees of red bull weren't being
forcedasked to go.if they took over an English lower league team they would pump money into in till they are in the prem. like with most of their sporting adventures they want to be up there competing with the best. which of course goes along with their main product which makes you personally better and more energised (goes with the charger comment before) if you drink it. also the prem has the most money apart from maybe china now.
however I think the hurdle in this country of trying to change the name of a club might have put them off, for now anyway.
Yes the East german thing has great potential for Leipzig, as it taps into the resentment that lingers there among some (although myself I don't have much sympathy for that resentment). Dynamo Dresden are hauling themselves back up, but Hansa Rostock are deep in the mire.
I think RD thinks he is going to ride that wave too, he has business in the regioan and seems to me to seek acclaim from the grateful citizens.
Austrian top level football has been until recently worse than Czech football, although there has been a mini renaissance in the last 5 years, the national team is the strongest for a while. While I was there on holiday in summer I saw village team stadia with really great looking facilities, but you don't feel they have football in their soul. 2008 in Innsbruck was dire, we stayed the previous night in Munich and you'd have thought the tourno was in Germany, not Austria.
COYRb's!