Not all Muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are Muslims......well, broadly speaking as things are in the world right now that is.
Nonsense.
Well Henry.....I did say 'broadly speaking' as things are today.....not precisely acurate I know, but can you please tell me of any other group/organisation etc, that come even remotely close to them by number....then I might have some other understanding as to why you call it nonsense?
And polls are an accurate guideline, right? Hmm. Let's look back and see what happened for Brexit and the USA election.
the brexit and us election polls were marginally out wasnt a landslide so instead of 52% it maybe 42% thats 4 out of 10, 2.6 million muslims in uk 1,092,000 think homosexuality should be illegal. thats quite a lot of people.
In a survey in 2013 it was found that 22% of the adult population of the UK believed that same sex relationships were 'always wrong'. So that's about 13 million and even if 'all' muslims were against same sex relationships it would mean over 10 million non-muslims were also. That's quite a lot of people!
but isn't this is a discussion/thread/argument on muslims?, 10 people there and 1 of them is against homosexuality, looking at polls 4 out of 10 would be more accurate - so when i said its not an accurate portrayal of Muslims and got criticized i was correct at no point did i say all other faiths/non believers werent against homosexuality. but as the thread title suggests its about muslims specifically.
Not all Muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are Muslims......well, broadly speaking as things are in the world right now that is.
Nonsense.
Well Henry.....I did say 'broadly speaking' as things are today.....not precisely acurate I know, but can you please tell me of any other group/organisation etc, that come even remotely close to them by number....then I might have some other understanding as to why you call it nonsense?
Dont really cause trouble anymore but the IRA were surely just as bad?
My Dad used to work at the Ministry of Defence and before leaving work everyday had to check under his car for anything suspicious
Not all Muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are Muslims......well, broadly speaking as things are in the world right now that is.
Nonsense.
Well Henry.....I did say 'broadly speaking' as things are today.....not precisely acurate I know, but can you please tell me of any other group/organisation etc, that come even remotely close to them by number....then I might have some other understanding as to why you call it nonsense?
Read the article
Henry.....I've asked you to explain, not an article I'm not particularly interested in right now. And anyway, I don't believe everything I read any more than you do.
Not all Muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are Muslims......well, broadly speaking as things are in the world right now that is.
Nonsense.
Well Henry.....I did say 'broadly speaking' as things are today.....not precisely acurate I know, but can you please tell me of any other group/organisation etc, that come even remotely close to them by number....then I might have some other understanding as to why you call it nonsense?
Read the article
Henry.....I've asked you to explain, not an article I'm not particularly interested in right now.
Youre not interested in an article that refutes your misconception but you want me to explain?
Not all Muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are Muslims......well, broadly speaking as things are in the world right now that is.
Nonsense.
Well Henry.....I did say 'broadly speaking' as things are today.....not precisely acurate I know, but can you please tell me of any other group/organisation etc, that come even remotely close to them by number....then I might have some other understanding as to why you call it nonsense?
Dont really cause trouble anymore but the IRA were surely just as bad?
My Dad used to work at the Ministry of Defence and before leaving work everyday had to check under his car for anything suspicious
True.....but I'm talking about 'today's' active terrorist groups...and make no mistake the IRA numbers never came remotely close to the numbers we see from various Islamic organisations/cells today throughout the world.
Not all Muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are Muslims......well, broadly speaking as things are in the world right now that is.
Nonsense.
Well Henry.....I did say 'broadly speaking' as things are today.....not precisely acurate I know, but can you please tell me of any other group/organisation etc, that come even remotely close to them by number....then I might have some other understanding as to why you call it nonsense?
Dont really cause trouble anymore but the IRA were surely just as bad?
My Dad used to work at the Ministry of Defence and before leaving work everyday had to check under his car for anything suspicious
Similarly, where I work, when we had IRA prisoners (before my time there) staff would check under their cars and vary their routes home. We now have convicted Islamic terrorists yet we've never been given advice to take similar precautions. I'm not saying there isn't a possible threat but it might be worth considering that the fear of Islamic terrorism has been made greater (in terms of mainstream media perception) than the actual reality. At least on our little island.
Once again true AUN.....but I'm not talking about British Muslims in isolation.....I'm talking about world wide groups. Those working in the anti terrorism field would no doubt have a very different take on that......you didn't actually sound that convinced yourself, if you don't mind me saying so.
"So here are some statistics for those interested. Let’s start with Europe. Want to guess what percent of the terrorist attacks there were committed by Muslims over the past five years? Wrong. That is, unless you said less than 2 percent.
As Europol, the European Union’s law-enforcement agency, noted in its report released last year, the vast majority of terror attacks in Europe were perpetrated by separatist groups. For example, in 2013, there were 152 terror attacks in Europe. Only two of them were “religiously motivated,” while 84 were predicated upon ethno-nationalist or separatist beliefs.
We are talking about groups like France’s FLNC, which advocates an independent nation for the island of Corsica. In December 2013, FLNC terrorists carried out simultaneous rocket attacks against police stations in two French cities. And in Greece in late 2013, the left-wing Militant Popular Revolutionary Forces shot and killed two members of the right-wing political party Golden Dawn. While over in Italy, the anarchist group FAI engaged in numerous terror attacks including sending a bomb to a journalist. And the list goes on and on."
Why not read the article and then decide if your statement earlier is still as broadly spoken. It speaks of terrorism that I had no idea was taking place around the world.
Take a bunch of strangers - bully: check, neurotic: check; homosexual: check, etc - put them in a house and film them. Watch them argue and cry, and decide most of them are arseholes. Muslims - like us.
Here are some facts for anyone unable to decide whether or not "most terrorists are Muslim". They are merely facts (sourced at the bottom of the post if you want more information). You have to draw your own conclusions as to whether they prove or disprove the claim. I have made up my mind, but am not going to sway anyone reading this but sharing what my view is.
1. In the United States, 94% of acts of terrorism between 1980 and 2005 were carried out by non-Muslims. 2. In the European Union, of the more-than 1,000 terrorist attacks between 2009 and 2013, less than 2% were Islamic terrorism. 3. Worldwide, there have been 140,000 terror attacks. If every one of those had been perpetrated by a Muslim, it would mean that 0.00009% of Muslims were terrorists. You are therefore more likely to be struck by lightning than a Muslim is to be a terrorist. 4. Fewer than 0.0002% of Americans killed since 9/11 met their death at the hands of a Muslim. So, Americans are less likely to be killed by Muslims terrorists than they are by a couch a television or a toddler with a gun. 5. Muslims extremists rank fifth in the league table of terrorist attacks in the USA, at 6%. That's below Jewish extremists, below "others", below extreme left-wing groups (24%) and below Latinos (42%).
Given these facts, it should be quite easy to determine whether the claim "most terrorists are Muslim" is true or false.
So if I read the article I'll change my opinion, is that what you're saying?
@SoundAsa£. Despite the big atrocities committed indiscriminately against European citizens over the passed five years or so, I think if you read the article, there was actually hundreds of identified terrorist attacks in the same period, committed by non Muslims throughout Europe.
From people like Anders Breivik killing 77 people in Norway back in 2011, through to the murder of Jo Cox by Thomas Maire this year in Yorkshire.
And despite the general success of the Good Friday Agreement, there have been hundreds of terrorist attacks in the Province from both sides. I'm sure @NornIrishAddick could roll off a list of them.
Take a bunch of strangers - bully: check, neurotic: check; homosexual: check, etc - put them in a house and film them. Watch them argue and cry, and decide most of them are arseholes. Muslims - like us.
Indeed.
The 'us' in italics (I assume) is to demonstrate that there is no definition of 'us' in terms of attitude and behaviour .......regardless of religion or beliefs.
And polls are an accurate guideline, right? Hmm. Let's look back and see what happened for Brexit and the USA election.
the brexit and us election polls were marginally out wasnt a landslide so instead of 52% it maybe 42% thats 4 out of 10, 2.6 million muslims in uk 1,092,000 think homosexuality should be illegal. thats quite a lot of people.
In a survey in 2013 it was found that 22% of the adult population of the UK believed that same sex relationships were 'always wrong'. So that's about 13 million and even if 'all' muslims were against same sex relationships it would mean over 10 million non-muslims were also. That's quite a lot of people!
but isn't this is a discussion/thread/argument on muslims?, 10 people there and 1 of them is against homosexuality, looking at polls 4 out of 10 would be more accurate - so when i said its not an accurate portrayal of Muslims and got criticized i was correct at no point did i say all other faiths/non believers werent against homosexuality. but as the thread title suggests its about muslims specifically.
4 out of 10. But its not just Muslims who are anti Gay. One of my best mates does not like seeing gay men holding hands or kissing in public, as he says it 'turns my stomach', however he doesn't 'hate' gay men, and is a non violent person so he certainly would not attack gay men verbally, he's not Muslim and does not follow any religion, so I guess in a lot of cases religion is easy to blame. He does however, love watching a bit of Lesbian frankie, I dont know what that says about him......?
So if I read the article I'll change my opinion, is that what you're saying?
@SoundAsa£. Despite the big atrocities committed indiscriminately against European citizens over the passed five years or so, I think if you read the article, there was actually hundreds of identified terrorist attacks in the same period, committed by non Muslims throughout Europe.
From people like Anders Breivik killing 77 people in Norway back in 2011, through to the murder of Jo Cox by Thomas Maire this year in Yorkshire.
And despite the general success of the Good Friday Agreement, there have been hundreds of terrorist attacks in the Province from both sides. I'm sure @NornIrishAddick could roll off a list of them.
Like flares, terrorism, and our awareness of it, has a tendency to be cyclical. The media does not set out to inform us of the full picture, mostly because most of us are not interested. Listening to the World Service news (available through all good DAB radios, or by being awake at incredibly anti social hours) is often useful if you want to make yourself more aware of some of what is going on.
Groups will seize the limelight for a time, and then fade away. If the Irish experience is anything to go by, they may hibernate for a number of years but will reinvent themseles and return in the future. Who is to say, for example, that a new Cold War may not be developing in Europe, in which groups may emerge in European countries, similar in nature and support to the Red Army Faction.
Terrorist groups have not left Northern Ireland and, many involved are interested in little more than protection rackets, punishment beatings/shootings and drug running/fuel laundering, but there is always a possibility that something could reignite more widespread violence - and dissident Republicans are definitely keen for this to happen.
Many terrorist actions will be driven as much by criminal as ideological motives (though, naturally, all terrorism is criminal). So, for example, the widespread mass murders in Mexico, carried out by drugs cartels (and sometimes the police), are clearly terrorism, because they are designed to terrorise the wider society. After all, as someone probabaly smarter than me said, the object of terrorism is to terrorise.
We have a problem in the Western World and in the media, in that we are quite happy to decry the actions of those that we dislike and feel threatened by as terrorism, however, we shy away from using similar terms for groups or individuals seen to be on "our side". Like it or not, the activities of UK and US supported groups (and, on occasion, the governments) across the world are terrorism, for all that we would argue that they are freedom fighters - which many Americans (not just Noraid) did with the IRA.
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My Dad used to work at the Ministry of Defence and before leaving work everyday had to check under his car for anything suspicious
And anyway, I don't believe everything I read any more than you do.
Ok, here goes. You're wrong.
Similarly, where I work, when we had IRA prisoners (before my time there) staff would check under their cars and vary their routes home. We now have convicted Islamic terrorists yet we've never been given advice to take similar precautions. I'm not saying there isn't a possible threat but it might be worth considering that the fear of Islamic terrorism has been made greater (in terms of mainstream media perception) than the actual reality. At least on our little island.
Those working in the anti terrorism field would no doubt have a very different take on that......you didn't actually sound that convinced yourself, if you don't mind me saying so.
As Europol, the European Union’s law-enforcement agency, noted in its report released last year, the vast majority of terror attacks in Europe were perpetrated by separatist groups. For example, in 2013, there were 152 terror attacks in Europe. Only two of them were “religiously motivated,” while 84 were predicated upon ethno-nationalist or separatist beliefs.
We are talking about groups like France’s FLNC, which advocates an independent nation for the island of Corsica. In December 2013, FLNC terrorists carried out simultaneous rocket attacks against police stations in two French cities.
And in Greece in late 2013, the left-wing Militant Popular Revolutionary Forces shot and killed two members of the right-wing political party Golden Dawn. While over in Italy, the anarchist group FAI engaged in numerous terror attacks including sending a bomb to a journalist. And the list goes on and on."
Why not read the article and then decide if your statement earlier is still as broadly spoken. It speaks of terrorism that I had no idea was taking place around the world.
Watch them argue and cry, and decide most of them are arseholes.
Muslims - like us.
Splitters.
Everyone knows that the only real opposition to Golden Dawn is the Militant Peoples Revolutionary Forces.
"Muslims like us"
"Muslims like us"
"Muslims like us, We don't care"
"We are muslims"
"Super Muslims"
"We are Muslims, from the Mosque"
1. In the United States, 94% of acts of terrorism between 1980 and 2005 were carried out by non-Muslims.
2. In the European Union, of the more-than 1,000 terrorist attacks between 2009 and 2013, less than 2% were Islamic terrorism.
3. Worldwide, there have been 140,000 terror attacks. If every one of those had been perpetrated by a Muslim, it would mean that 0.00009% of Muslims were terrorists. You are therefore more likely to be struck by lightning than a Muslim is to be a terrorist.
4. Fewer than 0.0002% of Americans killed since 9/11 met their death at the hands of a Muslim. So, Americans are less likely to be killed by Muslims terrorists than they are by a couch a television or a toddler with a gun.
5. Muslims extremists rank fifth in the league table of terrorist attacks in the USA, at 6%. That's below Jewish extremists, below "others", below extreme left-wing groups (24%) and below Latinos (42%).
Given these facts, it should be quite easy to determine whether the claim "most terrorists are Muslim" is true or false.
(Clue: it's false)
Sources
1. https://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/terrorism-2002-2005
2. https://thinkprogress.org/less-than-2-percent-of-terrorist-attacks-in-the-e-u-are-religiously-motivated-cec7d8ebedf6#.ud0radj8p
3. http://www.start.umd.edu/gtd/ and http://www.lightningsafety.noaa.gov/odds.shtml
4. https://sites.duke.edu/tcths/files/2013/06/Kurzman_Muslim-American_Terrorism_in_2013.pdf and https://www.cpsc.gov/PageFiles/108985/tipover2011.pdf and http://forward.com/opinion/176043/more-killed-by-toddlers-than-terrorists-in-us/
5. http://www.globalresearch.ca/non-muslims-carried-out-more-than-90-of-all-terrorist-attacks-in-america/5333619
From people like Anders Breivik killing 77 people in Norway back in 2011, through to the murder of Jo Cox by Thomas Maire this year in Yorkshire.
And despite the general success of the Good Friday Agreement, there have been hundreds of terrorist attacks in the Province from both sides. I'm sure @NornIrishAddick could roll off a list of them.
The 'us' in italics (I assume) is to demonstrate that there is no definition of 'us' in terms of attitude and behaviour .......regardless of religion or beliefs.
He does however, love watching a bit of Lesbian frankie, I dont know what that says about him......?
Groups will seize the limelight for a time, and then fade away. If the Irish experience is anything to go by, they may hibernate for a number of years but will reinvent themseles and return in the future. Who is to say, for example, that a new Cold War may not be developing in Europe, in which groups may emerge in European countries, similar in nature and support to the Red Army Faction.
Terrorist groups have not left Northern Ireland and, many involved are interested in little more than protection rackets, punishment beatings/shootings and drug running/fuel laundering, but there is always a possibility that something could reignite more widespread violence - and dissident Republicans are definitely keen for this to happen.
Many terrorist actions will be driven as much by criminal as ideological motives (though, naturally, all terrorism is criminal). So, for example, the widespread mass murders in Mexico, carried out by drugs cartels (and sometimes the police), are clearly terrorism, because they are designed to terrorise the wider society. After all, as someone probabaly smarter than me said, the object of terrorism is to terrorise.
We have a problem in the Western World and in the media, in that we are quite happy to decry the actions of those that we dislike and feel threatened by as terrorism, however, we shy away from using similar terms for groups or individuals seen to be on "our side". Like it or not, the activities of UK and US supported groups (and, on occasion, the governments) across the world are terrorism, for all that we would argue that they are freedom fighters - which many Americans (not just Noraid) did with the IRA.