It is really hard to find a site that will show our standings in U21 (or U18) competitions. Yesterday we played a match in our group of the cup. Our group has Stockport, Leeds and Birmingham. I am pretty sure we play each opponent home and away, simply because I know we have played four group matches so far, and won two and drawn two. I suspect we are top of our group with two left to play.
It is really hard to find a site that will show our standings in U21 (or U18) competitions. Yesterday we played a match in our group of the cup. Our group has Stockport, Leeds and Birmingham. I am pretty sure we play each opponent home and away, simply because I know we have played four group matches so far, and won two and drawn two. I suspect we are top of our group with two left to play.
It is really hard to find a site that will show our standings in U21 (or U18) competitions. Yesterday we played a match in our group of the cup. Our group has Stockport, Leeds and Birmingham. I am pretty sure we play each opponent home and away, simply because I know we have played four group matches so far, and won two and drawn two. I suspect we are top of our group with two left to play.
Isn't this predominantly a first year under 18s side that's also had to deal with the likes of Sol-Loza and Tagoe stepping up to the Under 21s too? So they've probably had to use a lot of U16s too.
Blimey, I knew our U18s were struggling but that really puts it into perspective.
Interesting really. I think it might be true that many players who would usually play for the U18’s are obliged to play for the U21’s. Manu Wales is an example. So there are some very young players in the U18’s I believe. If we measure things purely in terms of results the U21’s have improved whilst the U18’s has got worse. I wonder if losing the fantastic Steve Avory is a factor, but although wins are nice, it is the development of players that matters most…and yes we want our players to be winners. It wasn’t that long ago some people were saying Tyreece Campbell would never make it, that was especially so when he played in a losing first team, now he seems undroppable for us.
Yeah, had forgotten we are using U18s in U21 squad more now so that would definitely have an impact. It seems quite stark though to our table conquering teams of the past. Of course if the U18s finished bottom but had just one Joe Gomez playing for them you would take that all day long.
Blimey, I knew our U18s were struggling but that really puts it into perspective.
A few months back I looked into our record for the last 10 years - we had the best average finishing position by far in both the south and north groups against the clubs who have remained in our category.
We’ve finished 1st for the last four years and had four 2nd place finishes in the five years prior to that.
So it’s a surprise to see them struggling like this, but as said we’ve got a smaller u21 squad so some of the better u18s have played at u21 level. In turn u16s have stepped up to u18 level.
Players like Fullah and Mbick are still eligible for the u18s but turned pro a while ago and are u21 regulars.
the last 2 matches in U21 Prem cup group are Away to Birmingham Monday 20th Jan at Stratford Town Fc K.O. 7 PM and Home to Stockport County 4th Feb at Dartford Fc . K.O.7 PM. This coming Tuesday 7th Jan they are away to Brentford at Wheatsheaf Park, Staines K.O.1 PM. matchday programme never shows the U18 & U21 fixtures anymore.
Blimey, I knew our U18s were struggling but that really puts it into perspective.
Interesting really. I think it might be true that many players who would usually play for the U18’s are obliged to play for the U21’s. Manu Wales is an example. So there are some very young players in the U18’s I believe. If we measure things purely in terms of results the U21’s have improved whilst the U18’s has got worse. I wonder if losing the fantastic Steve Avory is a factor, but although wins are nice, it is the development of players that matters most…and yes we want our players to be winners. It wasn’t that long ago some people were saying Tyreece Campbell would never make it, that was especially so when he played in a losing first team, now he seems undroppable for us.
Steve Avory mentioned in a recent interview that he stopped coaching players some time ago and was only working with the coaches afterwards.
A lot of academy players were released at the end of last season. This has affected the under 18s this season. Several players have been absent because of injuries.
Blimey, I knew our U18s were struggling but that really puts it into perspective.
A few months back I looked into our record for the last 10 years - we had the best average finishing position by far in both the south and north groups against the clubs who have remained in our category.
We’ve finished 1st for the last four years and had four 2nd place finishes in the five years prior to that.
So it’s a surprise to see them struggling like this, but as said we’ve got a smaller u21 squad so some of the better u18s have played at u21 level. In turn u16s have stepped up to u18 level.
Players like Fullah and Mbick are still eligible for the u18s but turned pro a while ago and are u21 regulars.
Added to that, all the teams above us are in higher divisions.
Good to hear. Hope he gets a run tomorrow night against Weymouth. Should make for an interesting evening having Warren Feeney back at PVR. Wont sidetrack this thread any further. Thanks.
1pm today slated to play Brentford away. We suffered a heavy defeat to them at Dartford earlier in the season when we went down to ten men early on when Mwamba was sent off. I don’t believe there will be streamed coverage, and as it is out west maybe the weather conditions will mean the game is off.
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Good.win though we play Leeds quite often. No idea of their status but we often beat them
2024–25 Professional U21 Development League - Wikipedia
Yesterday we played a match in our group of the cup.
Our group has Stockport, Leeds and Birmingham. I am pretty sure we play each opponent home and away, simply because I know we have played four group matches so far, and won two and drawn two.
I suspect we are top of our group with two left to play.
Stockport P4 Pts 6
Birmingham P3 Pts 4
Leeds P5 Pts
Current group H standings
http://youthhawk.co.uk/w/index.php/2024-25_Premier_League_Cup#section_1
http://youthhawk.co.uk/w/index.php/2024-25_Professional_Development_League_2#section_2
http://youthhawk.co.uk/w/index.php/2024-25_Under-18_League_2#section_2
Thank you.
I think it might be true that many players who would usually play for the U18’s are obliged to play for the U21’s. Manu Wales is an example. So there are some very young players in the U18’s I believe.
If we measure things purely in terms of results the U21’s have improved whilst the U18’s has got worse.
I wonder if losing the fantastic Steve Avory is a factor, but although wins are nice, it is the development of players that matters most…and yes we want our players to be winners.
It wasn’t that long ago some people were saying Tyreece Campbell would never make it, that was especially so when he played in a losing first team, now he seems undroppable for us.
Of course if the U18s finished bottom but had just one Joe Gomez playing for them you would take that all day long.
We’ve finished 1st for the last four years and had four 2nd place finishes in the five years prior to that.
So it’s a surprise to see them struggling like this, but as said we’ve got a smaller u21 squad so some of the better u18s have played at u21 level. In turn u16s have stepped up to u18 level.
Players like Fullah and Mbick are still eligible for the u18s but turned pro a while ago and are u21 regulars.
Stratford Town Fc K.O. 7 PM and Home to Stockport County 4th Feb at Dartford Fc .
K.O.7 PM. This coming Tuesday 7th Jan they are away to Brentford at Wheatsheaf Park,
Staines K.O.1 PM. matchday programme never shows the U18 & U21 fixtures anymore.
A lot of academy players were released at the end of last season. This has affected the under 18s this season. Several players have been absent because of injuries.
On loan to Welling.
Sahid Kamara
https://x.com/wellingunited/status/1876244830600179731?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Should make for an interesting evening having Warren Feeney back at PVR.
Wont sidetrack this thread any further.
Thanks.
We suffered a heavy defeat to them at Dartford earlier in the season when we went down to ten men early on when Mwamba was sent off.
I don’t believe there will be streamed coverage, and as it is out west maybe the weather conditions will mean the game is off.