I cant see how Foley is a better bet than BA - and I don't rate BA! But I do believe in balance in how you set a team up!
Makes me grin when I see EHB referred to as BA. Those of you of an age to remember The A Team will understand.
A fellow Lifer has been told from someone working at the club ( and one of the good guys )that we should have 2 midfielders coming in before the Warsaw match. We certainly need them if they're half decent and not just additions as "quantity over quality".
Starting to feel that Slade can't see what the rest of us plainly can. I realise that he doesn't have too many options in central midfield at the moment but playing Jacko on the left is now unforgivable. We had Lookman and Botake on the bench in a game crying out for width. After we scored he delayed too long before bringing on Ademola and Botake who stretched the play allowing Ajose space to show his ability for the first time. Looks to me that RS is a play it too safe manager and only has a plan A.
I had hopes that Slade might be the experienced and knowledgable man we were hoping for but I don't think he has the coaching ability to take us forward.
I suppose we'll know soon enough. Hope I'm wrong.
I hear what you say and there is sense in it but I'll give Slade the benefit just now that, after Bury, he considered it more important not to lose the game hence safety first.
I may not be so magnaminous a few games down the line.
That said I'm firmly in the CP school of 'never play Jacko on the left again.'
I'm inclined (mainly because it's what I want to have happen) to think that we are looking for the midfielder(s) we need but we haven't managed to get the right one(s) in yet.
With Kashi and Diarra injured and with Ba available it is clear that we have enough bodies so there it little point in bringing in another squad player - we need quality in there.
Even if Slade isn't going to get the player we need I'm convinced it will be due to a lack of support from above not a lack of knowledge of what's needed by Slade.
Of course I could be completely wrong about this but all he other managers under this lot have, remarkably, signed the complete my wrong payers based on what we needed. This started with Chris Powell and we know he wasn't the one choosing the players because he has said so.
It appears that, if he hasn't lost the support of many of us already he is heading that way for the rest.
And yet if we looked at stats in isolation one could argue that we have only lost one of our last ten matches, albeit only winning three of those (and one of those on pens against Southampton U21).
By the same token, it was only a matter of a few weeks ago, that many of us were wishing that Parky, when his team were sitting proudly at the top of this League, was back with us.
Well, since 20th August (at which point Bolton held the record of four wins from four) they have been knocked out of the EFL Trophy by Everton U21 (so what you say) and not won a game at all - drawing at home to Bradford (3rd), MK Dons (14th) and Southend (19th) as well as away to us (12th) and lost to Walsall (21st) and Rochdale (15th). That's four points in six League games and more to the point scored just three goals in those seven matches.
Equally, not many weeks ago, Millwall were in the mix at the top too with 10 points from their first five matches. They haven't won in their last five games drawing against Bradford (3rd) and Coventry (bottom) and lost to Southend (19th), Rochdale (15th) and Port Vale (5th).
All it goes to prove is that, with the possible exception of two or three teams, there are very few sides in this division at the moment who are actually very consistent. And that it really shouldn't take too much to make the play offs at the very least.
So what about Slade's record in management overall (quoted from wiki):
Scarborough - a remarkable run of 39 points from the final 19 games of the season meant Scarborough finished 12th. He was hailed as a hero by the fans and his stock rose when taking the team to 4th position by Christmas in the 2002–03 season. In January 2003, two days after the club went into administration, Slade tendered his resignation. The fans presented a tearful Slade with a petition at the next game and on the Monday morning he changed his mind.
Grimsby - A mid-table finish ensued in the 2004–05 season but despite some disgruntled fans calling for his head, Grimsby spent most of the 2005–06 season in an automatic promotion spot in League Two, also managing to topple both Derby County and Tottenham Hotspur in the Football League Cup. Town eventually finished the season in 4th place and had to settle for the playoffs, following a late Northampton Town equaliser meant that Leyton Orient would finish the season in the final automatic promotion places. Despite guiding his team to a semi-final victory over local rivals Lincoln City, Slade was unable to secure promotion, Grimsby losing 1–0 in the final against Cheltenham Town in the Millennium Stadium.
Yeovil -Slade led Yeovil to a surprise 5th-place finish play-off finish in the league, where they defeated favourites Nottingham Forest to reach the play-off final. However, Yeovil lost the final against Blackpool 2–0. Slade's successful first season at Yeovil saw him win the League One manager of the year award Slade left his post at Yeovil on 16 February 2009, despite having won four consecutive matches immediately prior to this. Slade had become frustrated with the club's lack of ambition, although the club chairman John Fry had previously stated that changes would be needed due to the current economic climate
Brighton - On 6 March 2009, Slade was appointed manager of struggling Brighton & Hove Albion until the end of the season, and succeeded in ensuring they avoided relegation from League One. Slade signed a further two-year contract at Brighton in May 2009.
Orient - Slade was appointed manager of Leyton Orient on 5 April 2010, six matches before the end of the season. The club was in danger of being relegated from League One, but Slade revived the club's fortunes, helping Leyton Orient to take 10 points from their last six matches, resulting in them avoiding relegation by a single point. Slade was rewarded with a new two-year contract on 14 May and the following season he guided Orient to seventh place, one point outside the play-off places, as well as a fifth round replay at Arsenal in the FA Cup. During the season, Orient chairman Barry Hearn rejected an approach from Barnsley for Slade. Leyton Orient were unable to match their previous year during the 2011–12 season and the club finished in 20th, but the next season Slade was able to guide them to another 7th-place finish.
Cardiff - On 6 October 2014, Slade was appointed manager of Championship side Cardiff City on a two-year contract, replacing Ole Gunnar Solskjaer. The job was the highest level that Slade had ever managed at having never managed above the third tier in the Football League prior to his appointment. Slade was tasked with reducing the clubs wage bill which was still inflated due to their relegation from the Premier League in the previous season and saw seven first team players leave the club in his first 3 months in charge. Slade became unpopular with a large section of supporters and crowd numbers fell dramatically during his tenure at the club as he finished 11th in his first season and 8th in his second. Despite his detractors, Slade insisted that the club had made progress under his stewardship and that he had "given the club stability". On 6 May 2016, Slade was removed from his position of manager and was instead named the club's head of football. However, he resigned from the role on 3 June.
Anyone noticed where Cardiff are now? Well they are actually second to bottom.
I'm not saying that Slade is a good manager. But with that record he really cannot be called an awful one either. And we have had more than our fair share of them recently - and ones who have been only too happy to sign any "foreign body" with two legs and a pulse!
Hopefully Slade will start to rectify certain issues (particularly with regards to his negative set up of the side) and get us back into contention. It is far too early to sack him especially as we all know the type of manager who will be appointed as his replacement, so let's give him the benefit of the doubt for a bit longer. He really is the best we are going to get at the moment and we are deluded if we think otherwise.
Interesting stuff. It's perhaps notable though that Slade has done well with clubs where expectations were low, so perhaps his negative brand of football was expected, and it was easier to get his imprint down. When he went to Cardiff the fans hated him, most likely because they'd been in the Premier League and weren't willing to accept the football on offer. We're not the most expectant fanbase but as a team just relegated to this league we're expecting more than setting up for a draw away at Oxford. I don't know if it's because the players aren't buying into his style but it is a bit odd that a manager with a history of setting up leaking teams to survive can barely manage a clean sheet with a set of quality defenders. I also doubt we're ever going to see anything approaching free-flowing football from him, which is a bit depressing
People also bring up the fact that he's never won promotion, but when you look at the expectations of the clubs he's managed it rarely would have been realistic. Relegation battles with Scarborough and Brighton, overachieving with Yeovil and Orient, arguably unlucky to lose 3? play-off finals.
A few poor seasons in there but over his career he's not actually failed to take promotion favourites up other than possibly Grimsby (no idea if they were expecting promotion).
That said he's got to start winning more games. If he doesn't he won't be here long with an owner like RD in charge. Being more positive with the line up will surely make a real difference.
it's been a shaky start but he still has my 100% support particularly whilst the Belgians are here. Any alternatives would be much much worse.
And he has only had 10 games to blood a new team. Maybe it's because it's Friday and I'm excited about heading to the pub in a minute but I still think he'll get there....
It appears that, if he hasn't lost the support of many of us already he is heading that way for the rest.
And yet if we looked at stats in isolation one could argue that we have only lost one of our last ten matches, albeit only winning three of those (and one of those on pens against Southampton U21).
By the same token, it was only a matter of a few weeks ago, that many of us were wishing that Parky, when his team were sitting proudly at the top of this League, was back with us.
Well, since 20th August (at which point Bolton held the record of four wins from four) they have been knocked out of the EFL Trophy by Everton U21 (so what you say) and not won a game at all - drawing at home to Bradford (3rd), MK Dons (14th) and Southend (19th) as well as away to us (12th) and lost to Walsall (21st) and Rochdale (15th). That's four points in six League games and more to the point scored just three goals in those seven matches.
Equally, not many weeks ago, Millwall were in the mix at the top too with 10 points from their first five matches. They haven't won in their last five games drawing against Bradford (3rd) and Coventry (bottom) and lost to Southend (19th), Rochdale (15th) and Port Vale (5th).
All it goes to prove is that, with the possible exception of two or three teams, there are very few sides in this division at the moment who are actually very consistent. And that it really shouldn't take too much to make the play offs at the very least.
So what about Slade's record in management overall (quoted from wiki):
Scarborough - a remarkable run of 39 points from the final 19 games of the season meant Scarborough finished 12th. He was hailed as a hero by the fans and his stock rose when taking the team to 4th position by Christmas in the 2002–03 season. In January 2003, two days after the club went into administration, Slade tendered his resignation. The fans presented a tearful Slade with a petition at the next game and on the Monday morning he changed his mind.
Grimsby - A mid-table finish ensued in the 2004–05 season but despite some disgruntled fans calling for his head, Grimsby spent most of the 2005–06 season in an automatic promotion spot in League Two, also managing to topple both Derby County and Tottenham Hotspur in the Football League Cup. Town eventually finished the season in 4th place and had to settle for the playoffs, following a late Northampton Town equaliser meant that Leyton Orient would finish the season in the final automatic promotion places. Despite guiding his team to a semi-final victory over local rivals Lincoln City, Slade was unable to secure promotion, Grimsby losing 1–0 in the final against Cheltenham Town in the Millennium Stadium.
Yeovil -Slade led Yeovil to a surprise 5th-place finish play-off finish in the league, where they defeated favourites Nottingham Forest to reach the play-off final. However, Yeovil lost the final against Blackpool 2–0. Slade's successful first season at Yeovil saw him win the League One manager of the year award Slade left his post at Yeovil on 16 February 2009, despite having won four consecutive matches immediately prior to this. Slade had become frustrated with the club's lack of ambition, although the club chairman John Fry had previously stated that changes would be needed due to the current economic climate
Brighton - On 6 March 2009, Slade was appointed manager of struggling Brighton & Hove Albion until the end of the season, and succeeded in ensuring they avoided relegation from League One. Slade signed a further two-year contract at Brighton in May 2009.
Orient - Slade was appointed manager of Leyton Orient on 5 April 2010, six matches before the end of the season. The club was in danger of being relegated from League One, but Slade revived the club's fortunes, helping Leyton Orient to take 10 points from their last six matches, resulting in them avoiding relegation by a single point. Slade was rewarded with a new two-year contract on 14 May and the following season he guided Orient to seventh place, one point outside the play-off places, as well as a fifth round replay at Arsenal in the FA Cup. During the season, Orient chairman Barry Hearn rejected an approach from Barnsley for Slade. Leyton Orient were unable to match their previous year during the 2011–12 season and the club finished in 20th, but the next season Slade was able to guide them to another 7th-place finish.
Cardiff - On 6 October 2014, Slade was appointed manager of Championship side Cardiff City on a two-year contract, replacing Ole Gunnar Solskjaer. The job was the highest level that Slade had ever managed at having never managed above the third tier in the Football League prior to his appointment. Slade was tasked with reducing the clubs wage bill which was still inflated due to their relegation from the Premier League in the previous season and saw seven first team players leave the club in his first 3 months in charge. Slade became unpopular with a large section of supporters and crowd numbers fell dramatically during his tenure at the club as he finished 11th in his first season and 8th in his second. Despite his detractors, Slade insisted that the club had made progress under his stewardship and that he had "given the club stability". On 6 May 2016, Slade was removed from his position of manager and was instead named the club's head of football. However, he resigned from the role on 3 June.
Anyone noticed where Cardiff are now? Well they are actually second to bottom.
I'm not saying that Slade is a good manager. But with that record he really cannot be called an awful one either. And we have had more than our fair share of them recently - and ones who have been only too happy to sign any "foreign body" with two legs and a pulse!
Hopefully Slade will start to rectify certain issues (particularly with regards to his negative set up of the side) and get us back into contention. It is far too early to sack him especially as we all know the type of manager who will be appointed as his replacement, so let's give him the benefit of the doubt for a bit longer. He really is the best we are going to get at the moment and we are deluded if we think otherwise.
Bolton lost again, this time at home to Oxford, at the weekend, Millwall did too as did Cardiff - who have just sacked the man who replaced Slade when they moved him upstairs following their "disastrous" 8th last season.
Now maybe Slade is more of a DOF than a coach. But what about Parky? That's no wins in the last 8 and just 3 goals scored. And yet I'm sure a lot would have him back here in a nano second.
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I may not be so magnaminous a few games down the line.
That said I'm firmly in the CP school of 'never play Jacko on the left again.'
With Kashi and Diarra injured and with Ba available it is clear that we have enough bodies so there it little point in bringing in another squad player - we need quality in there.
Even if Slade isn't going to get the player we need I'm convinced it will be due to a lack of support from above not a lack of knowledge of what's needed by Slade.
Of course I could be completely wrong about this but all he other managers under this lot have, remarkably, signed the complete my wrong payers based on what we needed. This started with Chris Powell and we know he wasn't the one choosing the players because he has said so.
And yet if we looked at stats in isolation one could argue that we have only lost one of our last ten matches, albeit only winning three of those (and one of those on pens against Southampton U21).
By the same token, it was only a matter of a few weeks ago, that many of us were wishing that Parky, when his team were sitting proudly at the top of this League, was back with us.
Well, since 20th August (at which point Bolton held the record of four wins from four) they have been knocked out of the EFL Trophy by Everton U21 (so what you say) and not won a game at all - drawing at home to Bradford (3rd), MK Dons (14th) and Southend (19th) as well as away to us (12th) and lost to Walsall (21st) and Rochdale (15th). That's four points in six League games and more to the point scored just three goals in those seven matches.
Equally, not many weeks ago, Millwall were in the mix at the top too with 10 points from their first five matches. They haven't won in their last five games drawing against Bradford (3rd) and Coventry (bottom) and lost to Southend (19th), Rochdale (15th) and Port Vale (5th).
All it goes to prove is that, with the possible exception of two or three teams, there are very few sides in this division at the moment who are actually very consistent. And that it really shouldn't take too much to make the play offs at the very least.
So what about Slade's record in management overall (quoted from wiki):
Scarborough - a remarkable run of 39 points from the final 19 games of the season meant Scarborough finished 12th. He was hailed as a hero by the fans and his stock rose when taking the team to 4th position by Christmas in the 2002–03 season. In January 2003, two days after the club went into administration, Slade tendered his resignation. The fans presented a tearful Slade with a petition at the next game and on the Monday morning he changed his mind.
Grimsby - A mid-table finish ensued in the 2004–05 season but despite some disgruntled fans calling for his head, Grimsby spent most of the 2005–06 season in an automatic promotion spot in League Two, also managing to topple both Derby County and Tottenham Hotspur in the Football League Cup. Town eventually finished the season in 4th place and had to settle for the playoffs, following a late Northampton Town equaliser meant that Leyton Orient would finish the season in the final automatic promotion places. Despite guiding his team to a semi-final victory over local rivals Lincoln City, Slade was unable to secure promotion, Grimsby losing 1–0 in the final against Cheltenham Town in the Millennium Stadium.
Yeovil - Slade led Yeovil to a surprise 5th-place finish play-off finish in the league, where they defeated favourites Nottingham Forest to reach the play-off final. However, Yeovil lost the final against Blackpool 2–0. Slade's successful first season at Yeovil saw him win the League One manager of the year award Slade left his post at Yeovil on 16 February 2009, despite having won four consecutive matches immediately prior to this. Slade had become frustrated with the club's lack of ambition, although the club chairman John Fry had previously stated that changes would be needed due to the current economic climate
Brighton - On 6 March 2009, Slade was appointed manager of struggling Brighton & Hove Albion until the end of the season, and succeeded in ensuring they avoided relegation from League One. Slade signed a further two-year contract at Brighton in May 2009.
Orient - Slade was appointed manager of Leyton Orient on 5 April 2010, six matches before the end of the season. The club was in danger of being relegated from League One, but Slade revived the club's fortunes, helping Leyton Orient to take 10 points from their last six matches, resulting in them avoiding relegation by a single point. Slade was rewarded with a new two-year contract on 14 May and the following season he guided Orient to seventh place, one point outside the play-off places, as well as a fifth round replay at Arsenal in the FA Cup. During the season, Orient chairman Barry Hearn rejected an approach from Barnsley for Slade. Leyton Orient were unable to match their previous year during the 2011–12 season and the club finished in 20th, but the next season Slade was able to guide them to another 7th-place finish.
Cardiff - On 6 October 2014, Slade was appointed manager of Championship side Cardiff City on a two-year contract, replacing Ole Gunnar Solskjaer. The job was the highest level that Slade had ever managed at having never managed above the third tier in the Football League prior to his appointment. Slade was tasked with reducing the clubs wage bill which was still inflated due to their relegation from the Premier League in the previous season and saw seven first team players leave the club in his first 3 months in charge. Slade became unpopular with a large section of supporters and crowd numbers fell dramatically during his tenure at the club as he finished 11th in his first season and 8th in his second. Despite his detractors, Slade insisted that the club had made progress under his stewardship and that he had "given the club stability". On 6 May 2016, Slade was removed from his position of manager and was instead named the club's head of football. However, he resigned from the role on 3 June.
Anyone noticed where Cardiff are now? Well they are actually second to bottom.
I'm not saying that Slade is a good manager. But with that record he really cannot be called an awful one either. And we have had more than our fair share of them recently - and ones who have been only too happy to sign any "foreign body" with two legs and a pulse!
Hopefully Slade will start to rectify certain issues (particularly with regards to his negative set up of the side) and get us back into contention. It is far too early to sack him especially as we all know the type of manager who will be appointed as his replacement, so let's give him the benefit of the doubt for a bit longer. He really is the best we are going to get at the moment and we are deluded if we think otherwise.
A few poor seasons in there but over his career he's not actually failed to take promotion favourites up other than possibly Grimsby (no idea if they were expecting promotion).
That said he's got to start winning more games. If he doesn't he won't be here long with an owner like RD in charge. Being more positive with the line up will surely make a real difference.
And he has only had 10 games to blood a new team. Maybe it's because it's Friday and I'm excited about heading to the pub in a minute but I still think he'll get there....
Now maybe Slade is more of a DOF than a coach. But what about Parky? That's no wins in the last 8 and just 3 goals scored. And yet I'm sure a lot would have him back here in a nano second.