It is easy to waste money. I don't see that the debacle that was Narby Sarr is relevant. It was a mistake, clearly someone thought he'd be worth a lot more than that in a few years. Just because we over paid for him doesn't mean we have to offer more than we need to for other players.
Maybe he is worth £500k but there are only a handful of Championship clubs that pay that kind of money for midfielders without Championship experience and League One sides get less than £500k a year in TV money so how can they be expected to sign twenty off players worth £500k each? That's a £10m squad in a division with revenues of about a quarter of that.
Truthfully the reason we are in the mess we are in is because we have overestimated the potential value of most of the players we've signed. Ignore all of the players in our academy when RD arrived and we haven't realised a profit on any player we've signed since he got here. Gudmundsson might be sold for a profit but he was signed on a free and I'm sure his wages have more than made up for that, not to mention signing on fees that 'free transfers' and their agents expect to receive.
If we sign Moncur, who has had one good season and looked good in a relegated side (let's remember that Harriott was their best player for a mile while on loan there) for half a million and we give him close to Championship wages what do we do if it becomes apparent that he is no better than an average League One player and is earning more than anyone else will pay him and his transfer fee is less than half what we paid? I suspect he will then be a much better comparison to Narby Sarr!
Third paragraph down, I wish this was the ONLY reason we are in the mess we are in now.
Yeah,agreed. I meant why we have so many players on long contracts that have not proved to be up to the job.
We used to have die-hard supporter called Billy King back in the days of taking 35 away to Newcastle etc. He was rumoured to have a Finches video of the 5-2 "Simonsen Game" v Chelsea in 1983. I'd love to see those goals again.....
From what I have seen of him - I think he is an above average League One sub championship player - who lacks a bit of mobility. In our championship winning season, Powell told us he set out to sign players he thought could do a job in teh Championship - that worked well. I wanted personally put Moncur in that category!
The last mobility lacking midfielder we signed from Colchester worked out okay.
From what I have seen of him - I think he is an above average League One sub championship player - who lacks a bit of mobility. In our championship winning season, Powell told us he set out to sign players he thought could do a job in teh Championship - that worked well. I wanted personally put Moncur in that category!
The last mobility lacking midfielder we signed from Colchester worked out okay.
Who is making this decision regarding George Moncur and who is accountable for this decision to bring this player in ? Why would Moncur sign, when he doesn't know the manager, and is he the type of player that the new incoming manager (whoever they maybe) wants ?
We'll have spent the money on Roger Johnsons wages that could have bought us Moncur, someone like P'boro will end up with him instead, and he'll do well for them.
Absolute shambles. A club asks for a reasonable fee of 500k for a player that's already decent with potential to get better and we offer them 150k, 275-300 would have been a lot more reasonable and not have been as insulting.
Charlton are set to make an increased offer for George Moncur - after Colchester rejected their initial bid. The Addicks made a £150,000 move for the talented goal-grabbing midfielder but the relegated League One club are holding out for a higher fee. And Charlton are not see to end their pursuit of one of their top summer targets. Moncur has no interest in playing in League Two after being Colchester’s top performer despite a campaign of struggle on the pitch. The Addicks are still pushing ahead with plans to appoint a British boss but recently saw a move for Chris Wilder collapse - with him joining Sheffield United from Northampton last week.
Who is making this decision regarding George Moncur and who is accountable for this decision to bring this player in ? Why would Moncur sign, when he doesn't know the manager, and is he the type of player that the new incoming manager (whoever they maybe) wants ?
Meanwhile, CEO runs another networking meeting.
The shambles continues
This with knobs on. IF, ha ha ha, we are giving the new Manager autonomy over transfers, as we were with Wilder, then bidding for a player whilst you have no Manager drives a horse and cart through this notion.
we criticise the club's management because they don't recruit Britsh players and coaches plus the season has ended and they are doing nothing about preparing for next season
so who
* tried to recruit Wilder a Britsh coach but failed as he would rather join the club he has supported since a boy. * trying to recruit Moncur, a British midfielder, who we tried to recruit last season * organised what looks like a good pre season in Austria.
now I want to see KM and her team go but someone there is trying to do something right.
Any manager would be happy to have Moncur in his squad and it's a nonsense to suggest otherwise.
When you say 'Any Manager' is Pep Guardiola, as we speak, lining up a bid of £50m?
There will be a level for this player if it is no higher than mid table in League One than he is, probably, not worth £500k. Let's face it he hasn't even had two good seasons yet and he scored a decent number of goals for a side that was relegated.
From what I have seen of him - I think he is an above average League One sub championship player - who lacks a bit of mobility. In our championship winning season, Powell told us he set out to sign players he thought could do a job in teh Championship - that worked well. I wanted personally put Moncur in that category!
The last mobility lacking midfielder we signed from Colchester worked out okay.
Maybe he is worth £500k but there are only a handful of Championship clubs that pay that kind of money for midfielders without Championship experience
Don't underestimate the value that scoring goals adds to a player.
To be fair BWP scored a lot of goals for us in League One but we released him on a free in the Championship as he didn't seem able to produce the same results a division higher. As good as a player looks, and performs, in League one if he can't do it in the Championship then his value is never going to be £500k. I'm not saying that Moncur isn't good enough for a higher division, just that if he isn't and we pay too much for him there will be three threads on here rubbishing KM, RD and, probably, Mandy from the ticket office for buying him for too much money.
we criticise the club's management because they don't recruit Britsh players and coaches plus the season has ended and they are doing nothing about preparing for next season
so who
* tried to recruit Wilder a Britsh coach but failed as he would rather join the club he has supported since a boy. * trying to recruit Moncur, a British midfielder, who we tried to recruit last season * organised what looks like a good pre season in Austria.
now I want to see KM and her team go but someone there is trying to do something right.
And failing.
It's like telling your mum you went to the shops to get her flowers for Mother's Day but they were all sold out.
If you want something hard enough you can get it. They are just putting a half arsed effort, also, they are bidding on a player without a head coach/manager. A sign the future head coach/manager won't have any control in transfers if I've ever seen one, priority should be a a manager then work WITH him to get a squad.
Don't remember him but seen U's on TV at least once. Worried that someone who knows him doubts his mobility. Him and JJ in middle is worrying. Do we have to resort to big bruisers and long ball to get up?
we criticise the club's management because they don't recruit Britsh players and coaches plus the season has ended and they are doing nothing about preparing for next season
so who
* tried to recruit Wilder a Britsh coach but failed as he would rather join the club he has supported since a boy. * trying to recruit Moncur, a British midfielder, who we tried to recruit last season * organised what looks like a good pre season in Austria.
now I want to see KM and her team go but someone there is trying to do something right.
we criticise the club's management because they don't recruit Britsh players and coaches plus the season has ended and they are doing nothing about preparing for next season
so who
* tried to recruit Wilder a Britsh coach but failed as he would rather join the club he has supported since a boy. * trying to recruit Moncur, a British midfielder, who we tried to recruit last season * organised what looks like a good pre season in Austria.
now I want to see KM and her team go but someone there is trying to do something right.
That isn't why it failed. It failed because they wouldn't give assurances of control in writing. That is from someone very close to the deal who has absolutely no interest in making it up. Meire, on the other hand, has plenty of reasons to suggest otherwise.
Any manager would be happy to have Moncur in his squad and it's a nonsense to suggest otherwise.
why is it? Whomever we appoint may identify a player in League 1 or 2 who he'd prefer and whom he thinks is better. Moncur would then be a bit part player, and unhappy. If we appoint a Manager who does want Moncur then great go for it but I can't see the point in signing someone who may immediately be surplus to the Manager's requirements. Plus it drives a coach and horses through the 'the Manager will have total control over transfers' mantra we keep hearing. Get a Manager, let him get the players HE wants.
SLP reporting that we're going to counter their 'two fingers up' reply to our 150,000 bid with.......... 200,000. That'll show em
Not a bad bid. No one else seems to have put in a bid and there is a risk that we appoint a new manager who does not want him. If a championship team is not interested there is not many that would be willing to pay that much more.
I get the criticism for trying to sign a player without any football infrastructure in place and claiming manager will have control but signing players without one in place.
But i really don't get the criticism of haggling over a price for a player and offering a low fee to test the waters.
we criticise the club's management because they don't recruit Britsh players and coaches plus the season has ended and they are doing nothing about preparing for next season
so who
* tried to recruit Wilder a Britsh coach but failed as he would rather join the club he has supported since a boy. * trying to recruit Moncur, a British midfielder, who we tried to recruit last season * organised what looks like a good pre season in Austria.
now I want to see KM and her team go but someone there is trying to do something right.
And failing.
It's like telling your mum you went to the shops to get her flowers for Mother's Day but they were all sold out.
If you want something hard enough you can get it. They are just putting a half arsed effort, also, they are bidding on a player without a head coach/manager. A sign the future head coach/manager won't have any control in transfers if I've ever seen one, priority should be a a manager then work WITH him to get a squad.
Exactly, seems to be a rush by some fans to be appeased in time for next season, lets wait until they actually achieve anything before we start praising them for changing their ways.
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http://www.teamtalk.com/news/leeds-palace-burnley-and-celtic-chase-charltons-pope?
Round 2 - We go back in with higher bid according to SLP
Who is making this decision regarding George Moncur and who is accountable for this decision to bring this player in ? Why would Moncur sign, when he doesn't know the manager, and is he the type of player that the new incoming manager (whoever they maybe) wants ?
Meanwhile, CEO runs another networking meeting.
The shambles continues
Absolute shambles. A club asks for a reasonable fee of 500k for a player that's already decent with potential to get better and we offer them 150k, 275-300 would have been a lot more reasonable and not have been as insulting.
The Addicks made a £150,000 move for the talented goal-grabbing midfielder but the relegated League One club are holding out for a higher fee.
And Charlton are not see to end their pursuit of one of their top summer targets.
Moncur has no interest in playing in League Two after being Colchester’s top performer despite a campaign of struggle on the pitch.
The Addicks are still pushing ahead with plans to appoint a British boss but recently saw a move for Chris Wilder collapse - with him joining Sheffield United from Northampton last week.
http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/2/830976345?-11197:833:0
we criticise the club's management because they don't recruit Britsh players and coaches plus the season has ended and they are doing nothing about preparing for next season
so who
* tried to recruit Wilder a Britsh coach but failed as he would rather join the club
he has supported since a boy.
* trying to recruit Moncur, a British midfielder, who we tried to recruit last season
* organised what looks like a good pre season in Austria.
now I want to see KM and her team go but someone there is trying to do something right.
There will be a level for this player if it is no higher than mid table in League One than he is, probably, not worth £500k. Let's face it he hasn't even had two good seasons yet and he scored a decent number of goals for a side that was relegated. To be fair BWP scored a lot of goals for us in League One but we released him on a free in the Championship as he didn't seem able to produce the same results a division higher. As good as a player looks, and performs, in League one if he can't do it in the Championship then his value is never going to be £500k. I'm not saying that Moncur isn't good enough for a higher division, just that if he isn't and we pay too much for him there will be three threads on here rubbishing KM, RD and, probably, Mandy from the ticket office for buying him for too much money.
It's like telling your mum you went to the shops to get her flowers for Mother's Day but they were all sold out.
If you want something hard enough you can get it. They are just putting a half arsed effort, also, they are bidding on a player without a head coach/manager. A sign the future head coach/manager won't have any control in transfers if I've ever seen one, priority should be a a manager then work WITH him to get a squad.
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Fwiw I agree
But i really don't get the criticism of haggling over a price for a player and offering a low fee to test the waters.