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A genuine question to The Trust

Will the Trust be contacting the Football League, regarding Roland Duchatelet being "not fit and proper" to run a football league club ?

I appreciate that he may pass the present criteria, but should this now be amended.

Surely it is fundamental, that one of the requirements of a football league club, is that they participate in the sport under the normal rules ?

It is inconceivable that you are allowed to particiapate in the football league, if you are unconcerned whether or not your club wins football matches.

Mr Duchatelet has stated that he is not bothered whether Charlton win matches. No doubt because his primary aim is to showcase and develop Academy players in the first team instead of in the U21's where they belong. So as with the Academy games, the primary function is developing youth players as opposed to competing to win matches.

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    The rules are only there to prevent criminals from taking over clubs. Whilst what Roland is doing to the club IS criminal, it's not against the rules unfortunately.
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    The rules are only there to prevent criminals from taking over clubs. Whilst what Roland is doing to the club IS criminal, it's not against the rules unfortunately.

    Which is why I said the rules need looking at.

    It has never happened in the history of the football league, that an owner has stated that he does not care whether his team win games or not.
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    The rules are only there to prevent criminals from taking over clubs. Whilst what Roland is doing to the club IS criminal, it's not against the rules unfortunately.

    Which is why I said the rules need looking at.

    It has never happened in the history of the football league, that an owner has stated that he does not care whether his team win games or not.
    100% agree, they need to look at it, but you know what the Football League are like, the wheels turn very slowly, if at all. I'm sure they'll just be happy that we are solvent (for now).
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    It did cross my mind if it falls under the competition rules of deliberately fielding a weakened team, but then I looked at the rest of the squad ;-)

    (but seriously, I wondered at times under KF whether the league would think that we were deliberately trying to lose some games...)
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    edited February 2016
    He's not deliberately trying to lose, but he sure as hell isn't aiming to win either.
    He has demonstrated this by appointing coaches, because they are good with youth players as opposed to first team players.
    He said himself, that he isn't concerned whether the first team win or not. This is not professional sport.
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    CatAddick said:

    It did cross my mind if it falls under the competition rules of deliberately fielding a weakened team, but then I looked at the rest of the squad ;-)

    (but seriously, I wondered at times under KF whether the league would think that we were deliberately trying to lose some games...)

    Thing is, even with issues like fielding weaker sides, the only reason the FL do anything about it is because other teams complain. Who is going to complain that one of the clubs in the division is essentially throwing matches because the players they brought are useless and the managers they've had can't manage?
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    edited February 2016

    The rules are only there to prevent criminals from taking over clubs. Whilst what Roland is doing to the club IS criminal, it's not against the rules unfortunately.

    Which is why I said the rules need looking at.

    It has never happened in the history of the football league, that an owner has stated that he does not care whether his team win games or not.
    The only Chairman or Owner, that i'm aware, who has ever said that was Massimo Cellino who said to CAFC fans at the protests before the Leeds match at the valley in his Italian English that he wouldn't care if Charlton won. The Leeds fans seeing the footage on social media went ape.

    So other than Cellino and Duchatelet No.

    Both seem unfit to be owners.
    One for tax reasons.
    the other for lax reasons.
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    The Football League's rules on club ownership aren't worth the paper they're written on. They didn't keep convicted tax dodger Cellino out of Leeds, and both Notts County and Portsmouth have been taken over in recent years by individuals or organisations that didn't actually have the money they claimed to have (remember Mungo Finance at Notts County - Eriksson, Sol Campbell and so on).

    If they can't keep the likes of them out of football then there's no way they can take any action against RD for supposedly not caring whether we win or not. We pay our bills on time and don't spend beyond our means - we know that he's running the club into the ground, but virtually impossible to put any formal charge against him. Until and unless we follow the German ownership model, clubs in this country will continue to be taken for a ride but unscrupulous or idiotic owners.
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    edited February 2016

    The rules are only there to prevent criminals from taking over clubs. Whilst what Roland is doing to the club IS criminal, it's not against the rules unfortunately.

    I think you meant to say "ATTEMPT" to prevent criminals from taking over clubs. See Massimo Cellino. Also, not technically Football League but Thaksin Shinawatra had outstanding warrant when he either took over or was running Manchester City.

    Regarding Portsmouth, the supporters called him Ali Al-Mirage, can't remember his actual name, but there is still no conclusive proof that he actually existed when Peter Story put together a sale of the club to him.

    For as bad as RD has done things, he would not be affected by laws like FPP, even if they were enacted properly.
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    The 'fit and proper person' regulations are a joke. The Yorkshire Ripper would probably still be accepted as a 'fit and proper person' by the FL.
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    Anyone ?
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    The irony is the U21 can't stop winning Matches,
    16 wins and 5 draws in last 21 competitive games.

    1st team, 5 wins in 31 Matches.

    All Duchatelet cares about is Getting our academy to Category A.

    Develop Sparrows Lane.
    Have a decent car park for the scouts.
    The U16 will wash their cars while they watch the U18.
    Has his refund for getting relegated run out ?
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    It should certainly be looked at on the one basis; the solitary goal of a Club's owner should be revolved around success, whether he thinks he can do that with spending little or whether he wants to pump money in to the Club. When an owner's clear goals are based upon pretty much farming young players, and at that also putting the futures of their careers at jeopardy by chucking them in the deep end before they are ready, and quite clearly everything else non football, real estate etc, then this should be enough reason to show he is not fit to run a Football Club.

    A man who has not watched a live game of ours, I'm not talking on the stream, and I do not believe for one second does he watch every one of our streams, for over 2 years; has no care for the direction of the Club.

    Unfortunately it's like a homeless man complaining to the Prime Minister, they won't care. It will be in one ear out the other, if it even reaches said ear.
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    I'm very surprised that no one from The Trust has answered my question, considering there are so many on here, obviously having seen it.

    I would be grateful for an inbox, if there is some reason why you won't respond on here. Thanks very much.
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    Yes, an approach to the Football League on the basis of 'not a fit and proper person' should perhaps be explored even if RD does (and has) passed the current criteria. This seems like a good suggestion as it would draw publicity and even if FL issue a bland statement to the effect that he is fit and proper (when all the evidence points to the fact that RD is conducting a very high-risk experiment within the Championship of the English Football League).
    Also, multi-club ownership isn't allowed within a single federation but multi-club ownership across Europe (within EU) is?
    Surely, RD is the named owner of Alcorcon in Spain if not the others in his pyramid?
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    If I remember correctly a petition was started a few weeks ago by the Kish for this very purpose, but he was ridiculed by the Trust.
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    If I remember correctly a petition was started a few weeks ago by the Kish for this very purpose, but he was ridiculed by the Trust.

    Aah, perhaps they are laughing at me :smile:
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    Sorry you haven't had a direct response.

    I think the answer is that there is a lot going on and we have to prioritise our time. A lot of time over the last few weeks has gone into CARD activities, fundraising, approaches to RD, producing Trust News 11, the recent survey, meeting MPs, website articles, Fans Forum etc.

    Davo55 compiles a list of protest suggestions and I'll make sure the Fit Person one is considered at the CARD meeting this week.

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    Pico said:

    Sorry you haven't had a direct response.

    I think the answer is that there is a lot going on and we have to prioritise our time. A lot of time over the last few weeks has gone into CARD activities, fundraising, approaches to RD, producing Trust News 11, the recent survey, meeting MPs, website articles, Fans Forum etc.

    Davo55 compiles a list of protest suggestions and I'll make sure the Fit Person one is considered at the CARD meeting this week.

    Thanks.
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    Yes, an approach to the Football League on the basis of 'not a fit and proper person' should perhaps be explored even if RD does (and has) passed the current criteria. This seems like a good suggestion as it would draw publicity and even if FL issue a bland statement to the effect that he is fit and proper (when all the evidence points to the fact that RD is conducting a very high-risk experiment within the Championship of the English Football League).
    Also, multi-club ownership isn't allowed within a single federation but multi-club ownership across Europe (within EU) is?
    Surely, RD is the named owner of Alcorcon in Spain if not the others in his pyramid?

    Further to above comment and my own questions:
    I guess the FL and others could point to the success story at Watford where the owners there also own Udinese in Serie A and in their first season brought over a lot of loan players to Watford that weren't getting a game at Udinese. One major difference is that I don't think the CEO at Watford ever made the kind of statement that Katrien Miere made in Ireland about the purpose of the Club being the production of young players whom the fans (sorry Customers) will see develop in the Championship before being sold on to the Premier League. As far as I am aware she has not fully retracted that statement although RD has I believe disowned it.
    If nothing else this demonstrates the dysfunctional relationship between KM and RD and was another instance where KM has shot her mouth off without thinking of the consequences or indeed without any thought at all (just like the ill-judged restaurant analogy and "the fans don't see themselves as customers" in the same Irish interview and the ludicrous heralding of Guy Luzon as the next Alex Ferguson - add your own further examples ad infinitum).

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    Has his refund for getting relegated run out ?

    It surely must have been a one season only clause.
    No sane, hard-nosed businessman - I refer here to Jimenez and Slater - would sanction a deal that would leave them liable for the mistakes and incompetence of others.
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    So is the Trust aim still to try and get on board with Duchatalet and friend Murray, and get them to change their strategy?
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    Hex said:

    kentred2 said:

    So is the Trust aim still to try and get on board with Duchatalet and friend Murray, and get them to change their strategy?
    Everyone has to try everything. IF KM/RD respond then good - maybe. If not, the Trust letter can be used to prove that KM/RD still have no interest in talking WITH fans. A good tactic, I think.
    Very strange.
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    kentred2 said:

    Hex said:

    kentred2 said:

    So is the Trust aim still to try and get on board with Duchatalet and friend Murray, and get them to change their strategy?
    Everyone has to try everything. IF KM/RD respond then good - maybe. If not, the Trust letter can be used to prove that KM/RD still have no interest in talking WITH fans. A good tactic, I think.
    Very strange.
    Why ?
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    kentred2 said:

    Hex said:

    kentred2 said:

    So is the Trust aim still to try and get on board with Duchatalet and friend Murray, and get them to change their strategy?
    Everyone has to try everything. IF KM/RD respond then good - maybe. If not, the Trust letter can be used to prove that KM/RD still have no interest in talking WITH fans. A good tactic, I think.
    Very strange.
    No it isnt - we have to do all we can to save CAFC.

    The more rolland and katrien talks the more the masterplan is revealed to be flawed and the media latch onto that.

    we dont want it to just be us vs us because they refuse to engage 100%
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