If Football is such a unique scenario why do people come out with: Well if I performed that badly at work, I'd be sacked?
Because they are insane people. While you can't compare a footballer underperforming to your child losing a race, you also don't have thousands of people watching and chanting while you try and put together an Excel spreadsheet at your desk. Football's unique, but you go into it knowing what the deal is; do well, it's total adulation from thousands of people. Do badly and those same people are going to work out which classic pop song fits in both your name and the word wanker. Plan accordingly.
To be honest I could do with a few hundred people chanting behind me at the moment as I'm completely at a loss whilst trying to put together an Excel Spreadsheet...
I guess thats why I dont boo and jeer the team though... If those hundred people came behind me and started using a classic pop song which fits my name / wanker I'm not going to be able to concentrate on my job and the Spreadsheet isnt going to get done (Yes I know it wont get done whilst I write this comment on CharltonLife either)...
Whilst I'm struggling though if some random came up to me and said: Dont worry its a blip you'll work out that Formula eventually its not going make me relax and think: Fuck the Spreadsheet its going to galvanise me to go away and prove that person was right backing me.
To be honest I could do with a few hundred people chanting behind me at the moment as I'm completely at a loss whilst trying to put together an Excel Spreadsheet...
I guess thats why I dont boo and jeer the team though... If those hundred people came behind me and started using a classic pop song which fits my name / wanker I'm not going to be able to concentrate on my job and the Spreadsheet isnt going to get done (Yes I know it wont get done whilst I write this comment on CharltonLife either)...
Whilst I'm struggling though if some random came up to me and said: Dont worry its a blip you'll work out that Formula eventually its not going make me relax and think: Fuck the Spreadsheet its going to galvanise me to go away and prove that person was right backing me.
I don't boo either. I don't see the point really and I've never got on a Charlton player's back. I just won't dig out anyone who wants to at this point as this season has been a travesty. Season ticket money has gone into funding the likes of Rhys Williams and Johnson so they can pathetically contribute to 5-0 and 6-0 losses. It's miserable, and it's the fault of the ownership and the players. Even if the booing and the protesting and the masks do have some effect on results, those things still need to get in line behind the real villains of the piece when the awards for damage done are handed out
I always thought the word "support" means to get behind, to encourage. It doesn't mean to ridicule and take the piss. Imagine if your kid was just not good enough and coming last in the school cross country race. You wouldn't shout out "you useless little twit, you're hopeless" you'd try to lift him or her and offer encouragement. That is the job of Charlton "supporters". Players know when they have made a mistake or are playing badly, they don't need to be told, they need help and support to play better.
Nope, sorry. It's not our pissing job, we pay good money for the privilege of watching this rubbish. It's the players' jobs to earn their salary and do their jobs properly, it's not my job to hold Bergdich's hand and pat him on the shoulder when he falls over his own feet. It's not the u9s squad. I don't know why people always come up with these analogies for football situations because there's really nothing to compare it to. Football is a unique scenario. The players aren't performing and after 31 games of total dross and two years of misery and condescension from the ownership I'm not blaming a single fan for getting upset when players facilitate the slide down to League One. If they play well they'll get support. They played horribly for 25 games and only now are the fans starting to turn. I think anyone who has sat through a whole season of this needs a knighthood, not criticism from other fans
Your scenario completely fails to address a situation where players or the team as a whole are simply not good enough. You would be correct if the reason for our predicament was due entirely to the fact that the players are not trying their hardest. Personally, I do not believe that to be the case, perhaps towards the end of Carols rein, but certainly not since Jose took over. They may be demoralised because of what is happening, but I do believe they care and I do believe they are trying.Their performances are the symptom of poor scouting, poor squad construction and some bad luck with injuries to key players, which should have been anticipated by the owners. So I put the blame squarely on the owners, and the players are as much victims of the owners incompetence as we are. And yes I do sympathise with fans having to endure poor performances for so long. It cost me a small fortune to come over at Chrismas to witness absolute dross, just as it did the previous Christmas, when I had to witness another five games without a win and the 5 nil at Watford. And when I come back again next Dec it will be 3 years since I saw us win a game. So I get it, but I will never get on a players back or fail to cheer the team on whilst I believe they are giving their best. 3 teams have to get relegated each season and sometimes fans just have to accept the fact that their team is simply not good enough and deserve to go down. When it happens, it's tough, but it's an important part of the game and fans need to accept it without turning on the players, unless they perceive them to have got themselves relegated deliberately by not trying. But I guess that is your position?
I always thought the word "support" means to get behind, to encourage. It doesn't mean to ridicule and take the piss. Imagine if your kid was just not good enough and coming last in the school cross country race. You wouldn't shout out "you useless little twit, you're hopeless" you'd try to lift him or her and offer encouragement. That is the job of Charlton "supporters". Players know when they have made a mistake or are playing badly, they don't need to be told, they need help and support to play better.
Nope, sorry. It's not our pissing job, we pay good money for the privilege of watching this rubbish. It's the players' jobs to earn their salary and do their jobs properly, it's not my job to hold Bergdich's hand and pat him on the shoulder when he falls over his own feet. It's not the u9s squad. I don't know why people always come up with these analogies for football situations because there's really nothing to compare it to. Football is a unique scenario. The players aren't performing and after 31 games of total dross and two years of misery and condescension from the ownership I'm not blaming a single fan for getting upset when players facilitate the slide down to League One. If they play well they'll get support. They played horribly for 25 games and only now are the fans starting to turn. I think anyone who has sat through a whole season of this needs a knighthood, not criticism from other fans
Your scenario completely fails to address a situation where players or the team as a whole are simply not good enough. You would be correct if the reason for our predicament was due entirely to the fact that the players are not trying their hardest. Personally, I do not believe that to be the case, perhaps towards the end of Carols rein, but certainly not since Jose took over. They may be demoralised because of what is happening, but I do believe they care and I do believe they are trying.Their performances are the symptom of poor scouting, poor squad construction and some bad luck with injuries to key players, which should have been anticipated by the owners. So I put the blame squarely on the owners, and the players are as much victims of the owners incompetence as we are. And yes I do sympathise with fans having to endure poor performances for so long. It cost me a small fortune to come over at Chrismas to witness absolute dross, just as it did the previous Christmas, when I had to witness another five games without a win and the 5 nil at Watford. And when I come back again next Dec it will be 3 years since I saw us win a game. So I get it, but I will never get on a players back or fail to cheer the team on whilst I believe they are giving their best. 3 teams have to get relegated each season and sometimes fans just have to accept the fact that their team is simply not good enough and deserve to go down. When it happens, it's tough, but it's an important part of the game and fans need to accept it without turning on the players, unless they perceive them to have got themselves relegated deliberately by not trying. But I guess that is your position?
Why, exactly, do fans 'need to accept' relegation without turning on the players? That's one of the most pathetic, defeatist things I've read on here. Oh, the poor lambs just aren't good enough, never mind. Pitiful. In our previous season with Riga we beat Bournemouth, who had started to put together the form that would take them to the league title. The line-up was this: Hamer, Wilson, Morrison, Dervite, Wiggins, Green, Poyet, Jackson, Cousins, Harriott, Church. We brought Sordell and Obika on. We didn't bring on Nego, Tudgay, Pritchard or Thuram. Don't tell me that our current squad featuring the likes of Igor, Gudmundsson, Teixeira, Makienok and Henderson just isn't good enough to survive the rough and tumble of Bristol City at home when that lot can beat a Bournemouth side that is now mostly to be seen competing in the Premiership.
Honestly, really look at that side. Sure, you can say the central defence right now isn't as good, but other than that there are many who would take Henderson over Hamer, most everyone would take Solly over Wilson and that midfield five actually contains 4 players who are still at the club, with the swap being Gudmundsson for Danny bloody Green. Up front we can throw in Makienok, Igor and Lookman rather than Sordell and Church.
When we went up against Yeovil in a home battle against two relegation candidates, much like the Bristol City match was, we lined up with this shit show: Hamer; Morrison, Wiggins, Dervite, Wood; Ajdarevic (Obika 75), Cousins, Poyet, Jackson; Sordell (Cort 89), Ghoochannejhad (Harriott 79). There's dear old Reza in the 11 like he was on Saturday, there's Richard Wood, sent off for Rotherham this weekend, there's poor old Michael Morrison at right back because there was no-one else to fill in. And yet the players still did what was required of them. Because it was their job and they hadn't given up on it yet. I don't think the players have thrown this season, not at all, but the quality they've offered up compared to what they're capable of is pitiful. It is not our job to draw it out of them and saying that it is is inane. We've got hardly any injuries now, we have nearly all our best players available to us assuming Igor can get fit for the next matches, and we're still dropping points at home against teams we need to beat. It's not good enough, but if you just want to roll over, shrug and say 'well, what team with Henderson, Cousins, Solly, Gudmundsson and Vetokele could possibly stay up?' then you deserve the Charlton you're getting.
Mate, I think you need to read the thread "Reasons to remain hopeful" that I started. I happen to be one of the very few on here who believes we are good enough to stay up. My point was simply that there are occasions when teams get relegated simply because they are not good enough and if that is the case, then fans should accept it for what it is but still support the team. I do not think that applies to us, I was speaking in a general sense about football. I am the last person on here you should be calling a defeatist. So you believe the players are to blame because they are not performing as they should, fair enough, and I agree that are underperforming, but I don't believe they are primarily to blame for said underperformance. Where we differ, is I believe circumstances perpetrated by the regime are the main reason for the poor performances on the pitch. Not having adequate cover, for Pope, for Kashi, for Diarra etc etc, not enough Championship experience, no creative midfielder, three managers so far this season. These things are not the fault of the players and we as supporters should take into account these things because I can assure you, any set of players anywhere would have been affected by what has gone on. Imagine being a centre forward in a team that creates zero chances week in week out, how can that player not be affected? Is it his fault that the club's owners refuse to buy a create midfielder? of course it is not.
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I guess thats why I dont boo and jeer the team though... If those hundred people came behind me and started using a classic pop song which fits my name / wanker I'm not going to be able to concentrate on my job and the Spreadsheet isnt going to get done (Yes I know it wont get done whilst I write this comment on CharltonLife either)...
Whilst I'm struggling though if some random came up to me and said: Dont worry its a blip you'll work out that Formula eventually its not going make me relax and think: Fuck the Spreadsheet its going to galvanise me to go away and prove that person was right backing me.
Honestly, really look at that side. Sure, you can say the central defence right now isn't as good, but other than that there are many who would take Henderson over Hamer, most everyone would take Solly over Wilson and that midfield five actually contains 4 players who are still at the club, with the swap being Gudmundsson for Danny bloody Green. Up front we can throw in Makienok, Igor and Lookman rather than Sordell and Church.
When we went up against Yeovil in a home battle against two relegation candidates, much like the Bristol City match was, we lined up with this shit show: Hamer; Morrison, Wiggins, Dervite, Wood; Ajdarevic (Obika 75), Cousins, Poyet, Jackson; Sordell (Cort 89), Ghoochannejhad (Harriott 79). There's dear old Reza in the 11 like he was on Saturday, there's Richard Wood, sent off for Rotherham this weekend, there's poor old Michael Morrison at right back because there was no-one else to fill in. And yet the players still did what was required of them. Because it was their job and they hadn't given up on it yet. I don't think the players have thrown this season, not at all, but the quality they've offered up compared to what they're capable of is pitiful. It is not our job to draw it out of them and saying that it is is inane. We've got hardly any injuries now, we have nearly all our best players available to us assuming Igor can get fit for the next matches, and we're still dropping points at home against teams we need to beat. It's not good enough, but if you just want to roll over, shrug and say 'well, what team with Henderson, Cousins, Solly, Gudmundsson and Vetokele could possibly stay up?' then you deserve the Charlton you're getting.
So you believe the players are to blame because they are not performing as they should, fair enough, and I agree that are underperforming, but I don't believe they are primarily to blame for said underperformance.
Where we differ, is I believe circumstances perpetrated by the regime are the main reason for the poor performances on the pitch. Not having adequate cover, for Pope, for Kashi, for Diarra etc etc, not enough Championship experience, no creative midfielder, three managers so far this season. These things are not the fault of the players and we as supporters should take into account these things because I can assure you, any set of players anywhere would have been affected by what has gone on. Imagine being a centre forward in a team that creates zero chances week in week out, how can that player not be affected? Is it his fault that the club's owners refuse to buy a create midfielder? of course it is not.