Oh nice, we are gonna get on the back of our most creative players now. The Valley is poisonous at the moment, and chanting against one of our players because he hit a shot over. Nice one.
JBG was upset on behalf of Reza.
Anyone who was at the game yesterday knows that JBG put in a shift and just like Big Mak had his attempts blocked.
Oh nice, we are gonna get on the back of our most creative players now. The Valley is poisonous at the moment, and chanting against one of our players because he hit a shot over. Nice one.
Was you there? What part was "poisonous"?
Jeez , we are bottom of the league, we had 1 shot in the first half - we then sang " we had a shot" which just breaks up the boredom of the sideways football and poor distribution.
Reza sliced horribly in the 2nd half and the covered end sang "what the ..... Was that". It wasn't poisonous, it was funny to lift the mood on another very uninspiring 1st half of football on a freezing damp afternoon.
It could get poisonous if we start losing 3-0 plus again every week. We were lucky in the 1st minute yesterday when Solly managed somehow to get above Pilkington when he had a clear header on goal at the back stick. Nobody knows how the crowd will react if we start getting spanked again.
Even at Colchester when we were so, so dross, there seemed to be more apathy than anything else. Yesterday The last 20 mins were the best we have been for months. Cardiff defence were top draw otherwise we may have got all 3 points.
Poisonous yesterday- no way. You were at a different match to me (if you went)
I didn't actually go yesterday, no. I don't mean generally, but we have been picking out players for ages. Even if they are shocking I have no idea how fans think that by jeering a player will help anything.
Actually, having started this thread, I don't agree with digging the players out 'at the game'. However, while JBG may well be one of our better players skill wise, he has badly let the team down on the effort he has put in on a number of games this season. Had Jackson or Cousins, who both sweat blood for the Addicks, have stared in disgust at the fans doing the chant, I would have kept silent as they have earnt some respect this season. JBG has been a passenger too many times this season, when you'd hope a player of his technique might turn things around. Maybe not yesterday especially, but generally he has been a passenger, and that hardly puts him in a position to dig out the fans.
Actually, having started this thread, I don't agree with digging the players out 'at the game'. However, while JBG may well be one of our better players skill wise, he has badly let the team down on the effort he has put in on a number of games this season. Had Jackson or Cousins, who both sweat blood for the Addicks, have stared in disgust at the fans doing the chant, I would have kept silent as they have earnt some respect this season. JBG has been a passenger too many times this season, when you'd hope a player of his technique might turn things around. Maybe not yesterday especially, but generally he has been a passenger, and that hardly puts him in a position to dig out the fans.
Yeah, I can see that too, he hasn't lived up to his last years performances. I'd say the club has let him down (as well as us fans/customers etc) for a start. He signed a new contract with the view that there would be some quality brought in. Wafer thin squad and it has all gone wrong. He has already been injured this season, now with his mind on the Euros doesn't want another one.
He thought he was being sold in the Jan window and played out of his skin at Roth.
Went he wasn't sold - and he played sh*t against Brissle and now looks like he couldn't care less.
Shame - as he is a quality player, and we don't have many of those.
Couldnt care less?
Twice in the 2nd Half he got played a shocking ball, both times the ball was going out and JBG bust a gut on both occasions to get to the ball to keep the move going.
Certainly not the attitude of someone who dont care
I think the point he may have been trying to make is that booing players doesn't help. I thought our motto was support the team not the regime. I was disapointed Reza was playing and he should have come off earlier but booing a player or players never helps.
I have some sympathy if i'm honest, i'm as angry as any fan at the current state of play within the club and the shambles it has become but to sing/chant to one of your own players like that isn't on in my view, even though I think Reza is so far out of his depth he couldn't even cope in League 1.
Whatever happened to support the team not the regime.......
Players like Reza mean the team are the regime unfortunately.
I don't understand this comment. How does the quality of Reza's performance make the team the regime?
The gall of this self serving facsimile of a professional plumbs new depths. I've been rather a lone voice in the darkness up to now calling him out on his offences. Vilified and ridiculed by those dazzled through their rose tinted specs by jbg's superior (in this squad) talent. Nice to read that shabby Ken sees the slacker for what he is and calls a spade a spade. Selfish cunts like jbg are ruinous for the dressing room and it's never too soon to excise the boil. If it's all a bit too tough and grown up for him he can go stay with his Mum. As for Reza's shot now that was worthy of some mockery and head shaking
Oh nice, we are gonna get on the back of our most creative players now. The Valley is poisonous at the moment, and chanting against one of our players because he hit a shot over. Nice one.
Jeez , we are bottom of the league, we had 1 shot in the first half - we then sang " we had a shot" which just breaks up the boredom of the sideways football and poor distribution.
Reza sliced horribly in the 2nd half and the covered end sang "what the ..... Was that". It wasn't poisonous, it was funny to lift the mood on another very uninspiring 1st half of football on a freezing damp afternoon.
Not sure I understand this. Sounds like it's only okay to support the team when you feel entertained. If you're bored, perhaps it would make more sense to do what so many people tend to these days and pull out your phone and browse Facebook or have a chat with your mates rather than ridiculing players, which I'm sure is the complete opposite of what your intention is, lifting the players and supporting the team while there is still a glimmer of hope. It's just so counterproductive. What a great lift for opposition players (and fans) when they hear home fans ridiculing their own and destroying what little confidence and belief is left in them in the process.
Oh nice, we are gonna get on the back of our most creative players now. The Valley is poisonous at the moment, and chanting against one of our players because he hit a shot over. Nice one.
Jeez , we are bottom of the league, we had 1 shot in the first half - we then sang " we had a shot" which just breaks up the boredom of the sideways football and poor distribution.
Reza sliced horribly in the 2nd half and the covered end sang "what the ..... Was that". It wasn't poisonous, it was funny to lift the mood on another very uninspiring 1st half of football on a freezing damp afternoon.
Not sure I understand this. Sounds like it's only okay to support the team when you feel entertained. If you're bored, perhaps it would make more sense to do what so many people tend to these days and pull out your phone and browse Facebook or have a chat with your mates rather than ridiculing players, which I'm sure is the complete opposite of what your intention is, lifting the players and supporting the team while there is still a glimmer of hope. It's just so counterproductive. What a great lift for opposition players (and fans) when they hear home fans ridiculing their own and destroying what little confidence and belief is left in them in the process.
Without doubt I'm sure one of the first things that Managers saying to their players before matches at the Valley is: frustrate the fans, they'll turn on the players and our job will be half done
Cant remember which match it was in 2015 but one of the Managers admitted that he knew that we'd turn on the players which made his sides job easier... Just cant remember which one said it
I always thought the word "support" means to get behind, to encourage. It doesn't mean to ridicule and take the piss. Imagine if your kid was just not good enough and coming last in the school cross country race. You wouldn't shout out "you useless little twit, you're hopeless" you'd try to lift him or her and offer encouragement. That is the job of Charlton "supporters". Players know when they have made a mistake or are playing badly, they don't need to be told, they need help and support to play better.
I always thought the word "support" means to get behind, to encourage. It doesn't mean to ridicule and take the piss. Imagine if your kid was just not good enough and coming last in the school cross country race. You wouldn't shout out "you useless little twit, you're hopeless" you'd try to lift him or her and offer encouragement. That is the job of Charlton "supporters". Players know when they have made a mistake or are playing badly, they don't need to be told, they need help and support to play better.
Nope, sorry. It's not our pissing job, we pay good money for the privilege of watching this rubbish. It's the players' jobs to earn their salary and do their jobs properly, it's not my job to hold Bergdich's hand and pat him on the shoulder when he falls over his own feet. It's not the u9s squad. I don't know why people always come up with these analogies for football situations because there's really nothing to compare it to. Football is a unique scenario. The players aren't performing and after 31 games of total dross and two years of misery and condescension from the ownership I'm not blaming a single fan for getting upset when players facilitate the slide down to League One. If they play well they'll get support. They played horribly for 25 games and only now are the fans starting to turn. I think anyone who has sat through a whole season of this needs a knighthood, not criticism from other fans
I always thought the word "support" means to get behind, to encourage. It doesn't mean to ridicule and take the piss. Imagine if your kid was just not good enough and coming last in the school cross country race. You wouldn't shout out "you useless little twit, you're hopeless" you'd try to lift him or her and offer encouragement. That is the job of Charlton "supporters". Players know when they have made a mistake or are playing badly, they don't need to be told, they need help and support to play better.
If my kid was constantly lying to me, treating me with contempt and charging me to watch him run his cross country then I'd boo him!
Majority of our players have no affinitiy with our club and it's very hard to have built any attachment to them. Whilst we all want the club to do well, they are never going to receive the kind of unconditional support that you'd give your kid and under current circumstances they won't even get close.
If the players start to show a bit of fight then the crowd will get behind them but in my opinion it needs to happen that way around, it is indisputably the players' job to go out there and fight for the points, they are paid well to do so - supporters will turn up for many and varied reasons but none have an actual job to perform. If the team start to show signs of passion and fight then the fans will be completely behind them and may help deliver a slight edge. It needs to happen that way around though, it's not for the cart to lead the horse.
Talk of the fans being a twelfth man is all well and good but many games recently we would have had to have been the 8th, 9th, 10th and 11th too. To be honest I'm pretty sick of the various rallying cries from within the club for fans to lift the team, like it's in some way our fault that they're in the mess that they are. Put a decent frickin squad together, don't put a rank amateur in charge of them, provide enough stability to give team mates enough time to learn each others' names, stop getting smashed by footballing no-marks, win some home games, show some passion and emotional attachment to the club and show the fans some respect and then we'll talk. I don't blame any fan that is struggling to find the passion to 'lift the team' when they've suffered through around ten years of complete sh!t on the pitch, broken only by a couple of seasons under Powell where it felt like we had a club which we could love again.
As for Reza's shot now that was worthy of some mockery and head shaking
I certainly shook my head. But mockery, no. Even great players do the self same thing sometimes. Kun Aguero for Man City against Spurs on Sunday was virtually an action replay of Reza's attempt.
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Anyone who was at the game yesterday knows that JBG put in a shift and just like Big Mak had his attempts blocked.
Jeez , we are bottom of the league, we had 1 shot in the first half - we then sang " we had a shot" which just breaks up the boredom of the sideways football and poor distribution.
Reza sliced horribly in the 2nd half and the covered end sang "what the ..... Was that". It wasn't poisonous, it was funny to lift the mood on another very uninspiring 1st half of football on a freezing damp afternoon.
It could get poisonous if we start losing 3-0 plus again every week. We were lucky in the 1st minute yesterday when Solly managed somehow to get above Pilkington when he had a clear header on goal at the back stick. Nobody knows how the crowd will react if we start getting spanked again.
Even at Colchester when we were so, so dross, there seemed to be more apathy than anything else. Yesterday The last 20 mins were the best we have been for months. Cardiff defence were top draw otherwise we may have got all 3 points.
Poisonous yesterday- no way. You were at a different match to me (if you went)
Twice in the 2nd Half he got played a shocking ball, both times the ball was going out and JBG bust a gut on both occasions to get to the ball to keep the move going.
Certainly not the attitude of someone who dont care
I wonder how many of those would flag someone for a silly little remark, isnt that too sensitive too?
Cant remember which match it was in 2015 but one of the Managers admitted that he knew that we'd turn on the players which made his sides job easier... Just cant remember which one said it
Imagine if your kid was just not good enough and coming last in the school cross country race. You wouldn't shout out "you useless little twit, you're hopeless" you'd try to lift him or her and offer encouragement. That is the job of Charlton "supporters". Players know when they have made a mistake or are playing badly, they don't need to be told, they need help and support to play better.
If Football is such a unique scenario why do people come out with: Well if I performed that badly at work, I'd be sacked?
Should be no where near the 1st XI!
Majority of our players have no affinitiy with our club and it's very hard to have built any attachment to them. Whilst we all want the club to do well, they are never going to receive the kind of unconditional support that you'd give your kid and under current circumstances they won't even get close.
If the players start to show a bit of fight then the crowd will get behind them but in my opinion it needs to happen that way around, it is indisputably the players' job to go out there and fight for the points, they are paid well to do so - supporters will turn up for many and varied reasons but none have an actual job to perform. If the team start to show signs of passion and fight then the fans will be completely behind them and may help deliver a slight edge. It needs to happen that way around though, it's not for the cart to lead the horse.
Talk of the fans being a twelfth man is all well and good but many games recently we would have had to have been the 8th, 9th, 10th and 11th too. To be honest I'm pretty sick of the various rallying cries from within the club for fans to lift the team, like it's in some way our fault that they're in the mess that they are. Put a decent frickin squad together, don't put a rank amateur in charge of them, provide enough stability to give team mates enough time to learn each others' names, stop getting smashed by footballing no-marks, win some home games, show some passion and emotional attachment to the club and show the fans some respect and then we'll talk. I don't blame any fan that is struggling to find the passion to 'lift the team' when they've suffered through around ten years of complete sh!t on the pitch, broken only by a couple of seasons under Powell where it felt like we had a club which we could love again.