Yeah, erm, what No 1 in South London said. Basically, Jordan's team have very little evidence to back up their statements, and Jordan himself can't recall for certain much that is in his witness statement.
Nice moment this morning when Jordan's dad (who seems like a nice guy) came over and shook Richard Murray by the hand and said, "sorry you're going down - at least we'll see each other next season" - and sounded like he really meant it.
It *is* the best free show in London. Dowie's due to give evidence on Monday if you're free.
A lot of the stuff is actually more of an insight into how Palace is run - for example, he admitted he still doesn't own Selhurst Park, since he hasn't managed to arrange the finance to get it off the third party who bought it on his behalf.
But some Charlton-specific stuff did come up -
Billy Davies' representative James Price (I think he's his brother-in-law) said Davies didn't take the Charlton job because of a disagreement over money, BD wanted more of a basic salary, while CAFC wanted more of his money to be paid as win bonuses. He said he regarded CAFC's board as "honest and robust", and talks ended amicably after they could not come to an agreement over money.
Peter Taylor cracked a couple of jokes and told the court that Alan Curbishley had recommended him to Charlton. He said orginally Andrew Mills told him he was "one candidate out of one", but pulled out after Mills later told him he was "one out of three", but at no time was Dowie's name mentioned to him. As Rothko mentioned, he said he didn't want to be in court to give evidence against a fellow manager... with Jordan sat a few feet in front of him!
Dominic Jordan had little to say, said Murray threatened him during the ETCYT incident (Murray shook his head and muttered that it wasn't true) but admitted asking if RM was "a big man", but denied threatening Murray.
Trouble for Jordan and Palace is, these three witnesses were called by Palace's counsel... and ended up largely backing up (or unable to contradict) what Dowie's counsel had to say.
[cite]Posted By: suzisausage[/cite]oooooh get back from liverpool monday pm, can you pop in halfway through or do you have to be there for the whole day??
Court sessions start at 10.30am and 2.00pm, theoretically you can pop in at any time, but the COURT FULL sign went up in the afternoon. Best to bag a seat early, it's pretty friendly and civilised in there (even down to Iain Dowie offering Jordan's dad and sister his Polo mints).
I'm slightly regretting being a cheapskate and booking a late train back from Liverpool on Monday now!
The judge is impossible to read, although he seemed to enjoy having a former England manager in his court, and I didn't hear much from the Palace counsel. Dowie's counsel is forensic enough, although he got a couple of mild tickings-off for straying into other areas of Jordan's business affairs.
[cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]Cheers Inspector.
How, in your opinion, did the respective counsels measure up?
And how, if at all, did the judge react to Jordan and the other witnesses?
Henry, surely it is your mission, nay duty, as our esteemed supporter director, to plant your backside in the court on monday and relay back to us hourly updates? Come on, you know it makes sense.
[quote][cite]Posted By: Curb_It[/cite]He left the club at a very difficult time. It was a disaster for us to lose him at that time in a critical season, but you have to make the best of the hand you are dealt," he said.
thats rubissh isnt it? He wanted him gone.[/quote]
Yep, nonsense, managers leave and the best time to go is at the end of the season allowing the club plenty of time to get a successor in and build the squad, go through pre-season training and friendlies etc.
Henry, surely it is your mission, nay duty, as our esteemed supporter director, to plant your backside in the court on monday and relay back to us hourly updates? Come on, you know it makes sense.
The lawyers were concerned that I might cut Jordan down with my patronising wit so ordered me to stay away. ;-)
[cite]Posted By: InspectorSands[/cite]The judge is impossible to read, although he seemed to enjoy having a former England manager in his court, and I didn't hear much from the Palace counsel. Dowie's counsel is forensic enough, although he got a couple of mild tickings-off for straying into other areas of Jordan's business affairs.
Henry, surely it is your mission, nay duty, as our esteemed supporter director, to plant your backside in the court on monday and relay back to us hourly updates? Come on, you know it makes sense.
The lawyers were concerned that I might cut Jordan down with my patronising wit so ordered me to stay away. ;-)
I don't think thats a risk as by all accounts, even the lawyers are finding it hard to get a word in edgeways..;-)
Former Crystal Palace manager Iain Dowie entered the witness box in the High Court today to deny suggestions he set out to "concoct a false story" about his reasons for leaving the club. Dowie, contesting Palace's £1million compensation claim over his move to rivals Charlton, was challenged by Palace's barrister to explain discrepancies in his account of what happened. John Davies QC pointed out he had initially stated at a press conference that he had "no contact whatsoever" with Charlton before his departure from Selhurst Park on May 22 last year and that the first conversation he had with them was two days later. That was not true, as was evident from subsequent disclosure of his mobile phone bills. Dowie, 42, told Mr Justice Tugendhat his initial recollection was incorrect, but his prior contact with Charlton was not about the managership. His first call from Charlton regarding the manager's job was in fact on the evening of May 22. Asked why he got his dates wrong, he replied: "We all make mistakes." Mr Davies said: "Or was it because it was your first attempt to concoct a false story?" Dowie: "No, there was no attempt to concoct a story. I got the dates wrong. It was a mistake. I have nothing to cover up." Palace chairman Simon Jordan has accused Dowie of lying when he said his reason for leaving the club was to be nearer his family in the north of England. Jordan says he would never have waived Palace's contractual right to £1million compensation if he had known the manager was planning to move to The Valley a few miles away. Dowie, whose home is in Bolton, left Charlton in November after only 12 Premiership matches and is now in charge at Coventry.
He also admitted during cross examination it was untrue he had been approached for the Palace job by Mr Jordan contrary to what he had said in his witness statement. The court also heard how Dowie insisted he was entitled to a five per cent transfer fee of Palace players Andy Johnson and Wayne Routledge although both had been signed before he joined. Mr Dowie argued he had helped "develop" both players.
I agree it's wrong, but it's not unusual for managers to have this in their contracts, it's seen as a way of incentivising managers to play home grown talent who could be sold on for a significant profit.
I imagine it's less common in the prem, but in the lower leagues it can be a large part of the managers bonus structure.
Why bother incentivising to play home grown talent? Surely that could be detrimental for the club. Managers would bypass playing certain players just to try and get the bonus when playing other players may actually win them games!
You will also be shocked to learn that managers are often paid bonuses for hitting revenue targets on out going transfer fees....particularly when the club is skint and is wondering how they will continue to operate through the summer months without any gate income. Again this is more typical in league 1,2 and the conference.
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Nice moment this morning when Jordan's dad (who seems like a nice guy) came over and shook Richard Murray by the hand and said, "sorry you're going down - at least we'll see each other next season" - and sounded like he really meant it.
It *is* the best free show in London. Dowie's due to give evidence on Monday if you're free.
But some Charlton-specific stuff did come up -
Billy Davies' representative James Price (I think he's his brother-in-law) said Davies didn't take the Charlton job because of a disagreement over money, BD wanted more of a basic salary, while CAFC wanted more of his money to be paid as win bonuses. He said he regarded CAFC's board as "honest and robust", and talks ended amicably after they could not come to an agreement over money.
Peter Taylor cracked a couple of jokes and told the court that Alan Curbishley had recommended him to Charlton. He said orginally Andrew Mills told him he was "one candidate out of one", but pulled out after Mills later told him he was "one out of three", but at no time was Dowie's name mentioned to him. As Rothko mentioned, he said he didn't want to be in court to give evidence against a fellow manager... with Jordan sat a few feet in front of him!
Dominic Jordan had little to say, said Murray threatened him during the ETCYT incident (Murray shook his head and muttered that it wasn't true) but admitted asking if RM was "a big man", but denied threatening Murray.
Trouble for Jordan and Palace is, these three witnesses were called by Palace's counsel... and ended up largely backing up (or unable to contradict) what Dowie's counsel had to say.
As they say, the case continues.
Court sessions start at 10.30am and 2.00pm, theoretically you can pop in at any time, but the COURT FULL sign went up in the afternoon. Best to bag a seat early, it's pretty friendly and civilised in there (even down to Iain Dowie offering Jordan's dad and sister his Polo mints).
I'm slightly regretting being a cheapskate and booking a late train back from Liverpool on Monday now!
How, in your opinion, did the respective counsels measure up?
And how, if at all, did the judge react to Jordan and the other witnesses?
Henry, surely it is your mission, nay duty, as our esteemed supporter director, to plant your backside in the court on monday and relay back to us hourly updates? Come on, you know it makes sense.
Quote of the year!
thats rubissh isnt it? He wanted him gone.[/quote]
Yep, nonsense, managers leave and the best time to go is at the end of the season allowing the club plenty of time to get a successor in and build the squad, go through pre-season training and friendlies etc.
The lawyers were concerned that I might cut Jordan down with my patronising wit so ordered me to stay away. ;-)
Cheers, good right up on AQITES BTW inspector. worth checking out http://charlton.blogspot.com/
I don't think thats a risk as by all accounts, even the lawyers are finding it hard to get a word in edgeways..;-)
Dowie, contesting Palace's £1million compensation claim over his move to rivals Charlton, was challenged by Palace's barrister to explain discrepancies in his account of what happened.
John Davies QC pointed out he had initially stated at a press conference that he had "no contact whatsoever" with Charlton before his departure from Selhurst Park on May 22 last year and that the first conversation he had with them was two days later.
That was not true, as was evident from subsequent disclosure of his mobile phone bills.
Dowie, 42, told Mr Justice Tugendhat his initial recollection was incorrect, but his prior contact with Charlton was not about the managership.
His first call from Charlton regarding the manager's job was in fact on the evening of May 22.
Asked why he got his dates wrong, he replied: "We all make mistakes."
Mr Davies said: "Or was it because it was your first attempt to concoct a false story?"
Dowie: "No, there was no attempt to concoct a story. I got the dates wrong. It was a mistake. I have nothing to cover up."
Palace chairman Simon Jordan has accused Dowie of lying when he said his reason for leaving the club was to be nearer his family in the north of England.
Jordan says he would never have waived Palace's contractual right to £1million compensation if he had known the manager was planning to move to The Valley a few miles away.
Dowie, whose home is in Bolton, left Charlton in November after only 12 Premiership matches and is now in charge at Coventry.
Wished i was there !!
The court also heard how Dowie insisted he was entitled to a five per cent transfer fee of Palace players Andy Johnson and Wayne Routledge although both had been signed before he joined.
Mr Dowie argued he had helped "develop" both players.
That is wrong.
Mike Newell had it in his contract at Luton.
I imagine it's less common in the prem, but in the lower leagues it can be a large part of the managers bonus structure.
Very strange bonus i think.