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SLP Piece - Fraeye Couldn't Stand the Heat
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Glad he's gone. Charlton job was totally beyond his skill set. I don't blame him for either wanting or taking the job. I'm sure he genuinely believed it was within his capabilities. He showed a certain arrogance prior to his appointment and I think the whole tragic experience will be very chastening for him. He looked a very broken figure in the end. I hope he has learned from his disasterous time at The Valley and I hope he bounces back. Elsewhere.3
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Yeah but footballers/managers get paid lots of money, so should be able to perform to 100% all the time and never do anything wrong. Like me who has never had an off day at work once in my life.Swisdom said:
That's the sort of poisonous shit that's unnecessary.Nicholas said:Karel if you are reading this your a disgrace, now go back to Belgian and manage a team in front of 10 people like you did before.
Some of the stuff that gets written on here is bang out of order.
IF anyone is looking for a good read - try reading Robert Enke's book. For those who don't know he is the for German international goalkeeper who killed himself because of the pressures of football. A fucking game.
We may not be happy but as far as I am concerned the players and Karel are/were not the problem. They are not paid enough to deal with the shit they are dealing with from thousands of people every week. I reiterate it's a game.
The regime are the bulk of the problem but from tomorrow onwards we should be absolutely 100% behind Jose Riga and the team. That's the only way out of this mess.
As mym deceased mother taught me - if you have nothing nice to say - don't say anything.
I don't agree with any personal abuse leveled at Karal, and obviously he would have wanted to do well at Charlton, however I cannot forgive him for the anguish he has caused Charlton fans after knowingly taking a position he was not equipped for.4 -
I've got no real problem with him.
He stumbled into a job that he wasn't qualified for.
He was trying to punch above his weight.
He failed to do so.
He got found out.
He got pushed.
The recruitment "process" caused this....not the man himself.
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Fraeye would not have been on a lot of money. I'd be pretty confident that a lot of people on this board would have been earning more than him.7
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The fact is, his selfish ambition and hubris have cost us 14 games where the team could have been getting out of the relegation zone. We are the ones who will end up feeling sorry in the third division!6
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Yes he could of resigned but I blame Katrien and not Karel for those wasted 14-matches.Missed It said:The fact is, his selfish ambition and hubris have cost us 14 games where the team could have been getting out of the relegation zone. We are the ones who will end up feeling sorry in the third division!
Karel is someone from the Belgian Third Division, would you seriously resign from the Manchester United or Barcelona job if it fell into your lap, regardless of how results are going and what the fans think?
What I hate Karel for is leaving his players (Henderson) to face the media after debacles that he created4 -
I agree to a point, but as Louis's article suggests it was the type of venom that got rid of him. He read it.Swisdom said:
That's the sort of poisonous shit that's unnecessary.Nicholas said:Karel if you are reading this your a disgrace, now go back to Belgian and manage a team in front of 10 people like you did before.
Some of the stuff that gets written on here is bang out of order.
IF anyone is looking for a good read - try reading Robert Enke's book. For those who don't know he is the for German international goalkeeper who killed himself because of the pressures of football. A fucking game.
We may not be happy but as far as I am concerned the players and Karel are/were not the problem. They are not paid enough to deal with the shit they are dealing with from thousands of people every week. I reiterate it's a game.
The regime are the bulk of the problem but from tomorrow onwards we should be absolutely 100% behind Jose Riga and the team. That's the only way out of this mess.
As mym deceased mother taught me - if you have nothing nice to say - don't say anything.0 -
Forgot that. Still, Brighton not that good as current form suggests. Should have reorganised and done better imo.RedChaser said:
Can't give you a first hand report on that one but Bauer was shown a red on the hour mark and the ten men cracked as two late goals went in.Addickted2U said:
Suppose I'm playing Devil's Advocate a little.RedChaser said:
The Wendies result was thoroughly deserved, got ourselves in front and took our chances, they huffed and puffed had plenty of possession but underestimated us. The following game ( after international al break and recharging of the batteries) motivation was still high and they ground out a result against a poor Brum side struggling to win home games. Youngsters THD and Lookman gave the team a freshness and combined to set up JJ for the winner in the second half. Sadly for our survival chances but not surprisingly the upturn never lasted under Fromage who went mouldy very quickly.Addickted2U said:How the hell did he manage 3 - 1 win against Wendies and 1 - 0 at Brum? I will be pondering that for a long time. Perhaps he could have done alright with a few fit players available?
So, who was to blame for the capitulation against Brighton?
That's my final quizzical question on the matter.0 -
Seems stupid to blame someone who was just trying to do his job. Not really his fault that he couldn't do it!
Same thing goes for the players - especially the younger ones whose careers may have been ruined by joining our miserable club.
I am honestly ashamed to be associated with Charlton Athletic at the moment.
Fortunately there seem to be a lot of good people trying to put things right so all is not lost. But let's be realistic about who is at fault!1 -
Well no actually, Robert Enke killed himself because he had clinical depression, which is a disease. His unsuccessful moves abroad, particularly Barcelona, certainly didn't help and he was constantly experiencing self-doubt because of the nature of his role, but he actually killed himself during the most successful and calmest footballing spell of his career, which is one of the truly horrible aspects of depression. The death of his daughter is really what pushed him into a place where he couldn't recover.Swisdom said:
That's the sort of poisonous shit that's unnecessary.Nicholas said:Karel if you are reading this your a disgrace, now go back to Belgian and manage a team in front of 10 people like you did before.
Some of the stuff that gets written on here is bang out of order.
IF anyone is looking for a good read - try reading Robert Enke's book. For those who don't know he is the for German international goalkeeper who killed himself because of the pressures of football. A fucking game.
We may not be happy but as far as I am concerned the players and Karel are/were not the problem. They are not paid enough to deal with the shit they are dealing with from thousands of people every week. I reiterate it's a game.
The regime are the bulk of the problem but from tomorrow onwards we should be absolutely 100% behind Jose Riga and the team. That's the only way out of this mess.
As mym deceased mother taught me - if you have nothing nice to say - don't say anything.
It is definitely a book worth reading though, really heartbreaking account of depression.14 -
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So you wont be happy saying that when the Belgians finally go then? He was a disgrace and should have walked away a long time ago.Swisdom said:
That's the sort of poisonous shit that's unnecessary.Nicholas said:Karel if you are reading this your a disgrace, now go back to Belgian and manage a team in front of 10 people like you did before.
Some of the stuff that gets written on here is bang out of order.
IF anyone is looking for a good read - try reading Robert Enke's book. For those who don't know he is the for German international goalkeeper who killed himself because of the pressures of football. A fucking game.
We may not be happy but as far as I am concerned the players and Karel are/were not the problem. They are not paid enough to deal with the shit they are dealing with from thousands of people every week. I reiterate it's a game.
The regime are the bulk of the problem but from tomorrow onwards we should be absolutely 100% behind Jose Riga and the team. That's the only way out of this mess.
As mym deceased mother taught me - if you have nothing nice to say - don't say anything.0 -
Show a bit of class Nicholas ffs.Nicholas said:
So you wont be happy saying that when the Belgians finally go then? He was a disgrace and should have walked away a long time ago.Swisdom said:
That's the sort of poisonous shit that's unnecessary.Nicholas said:Karel if you are reading this your a disgrace, now go back to Belgian and manage a team in front of 10 people like you did before.
Some of the stuff that gets written on here is bang out of order.
IF anyone is looking for a good read - try reading Robert Enke's book. For those who don't know he is the for German international goalkeeper who killed himself because of the pressures of football. A fucking game.
We may not be happy but as far as I am concerned the players and Karel are/were not the problem. They are not paid enough to deal with the shit they are dealing with from thousands of people every week. I reiterate it's a game.
The regime are the bulk of the problem but from tomorrow onwards we should be absolutely 100% behind Jose Riga and the team. That's the only way out of this mess.
As mym deceased mother taught me - if you have nothing nice to say - don't say anything.
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No feeling sorry over here. The man lied infront of thousands of hardcore football fans, while working for a man hated by many a thousand for what he is doing to football clubs, he then had audacity to blame players and hide from his critics.LargeAddick said:I actually find myself feeling a bit sorry for him.
If you can't take the heat don't stand near the fire. He shouldn't have took the job or better still he should have tried it then left after a couple games when he saw it wasn't for him.
If I did the equivalent at my job I don't expect I'd be having a very fun time either12 -
Les Reed all over again and a period that could well cost us our league status again.1
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Anyone feeling sorry for him, consider how he got the job. He was hawking himself to the club for months. In my opinion he was arrogance personified. A spineless corward who was found out and used a respected senior player as a human shield when he was expected to explain his short comings.
To suggest he stumbled into the role is laughable.40 -
The thing is, he believed he was suitable for the job. Why? Because the richest and most successful business man in Belgian instilled that belief in him.4
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Oh do shut up. The amount that's been said about him Katrien and Roland on here and yet you want to pull me up on that. These lot have totally killed the club I have loved and followed all my life, so if their little regime breaks down in anyway I will be the first to tell them to piss off.ShootersHillGuru said:
Show a bit of class Nicholas ffs.Nicholas said:
So you wont be happy saying that when the Belgians finally go then? He was a disgrace and should have walked away a long time ago.Swisdom said:
That's the sort of poisonous shit that's unnecessary.Nicholas said:Karel if you are reading this your a disgrace, now go back to Belgian and manage a team in front of 10 people like you did before.
Some of the stuff that gets written on here is bang out of order.
IF anyone is looking for a good read - try reading Robert Enke's book. For those who don't know he is the for German international goalkeeper who killed himself because of the pressures of football. A fucking game.
We may not be happy but as far as I am concerned the players and Karel are/were not the problem. They are not paid enough to deal with the shit they are dealing with from thousands of people every week. I reiterate it's a game.
The regime are the bulk of the problem but from tomorrow onwards we should be absolutely 100% behind Jose Riga and the team. That's the only way out of this mess.
As mym deceased mother taught me - if you have nothing nice to say - don't say anything.
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Exactly Clem. He engineered the appointment, undermined multiple managers, assisted in signing some dog shit players and is a representative of the regime.
Then when he finally got the job he'd been chasing for so long found out that he couldn't man manage, had no respect from the players and his best tactical move was to push the team into a 4-1-5 and tell them to spread out.
I hope you are still reading this forum Fraeye. You've been a massive part of the downfall of this club and I genuinely hope you feel absolutely terrible.1 -
Read the thread. No one is suggesting they are not glad he's gone. It's just unecessary to paint the bloke as some sort of criminal. It's only football mate. Get a life.Nicholas said:
Oh do shut up. The amount that's been said about him Katrien and Roland on here and yet you want to pull me up on that. These lot have totally killed the club I have loved and followed all my life, so if their little regime breaks down in anyway I will be the first to tell them to piss off.ShootersHillGuru said:
Show a bit of class Nicholas ffs.Nicholas said:
So you wont be happy saying that when the Belgians finally go then? He was a disgrace and should have walked away a long time ago.Swisdom said:
That's the sort of poisonous shit that's unnecessary.Nicholas said:Karel if you are reading this your a disgrace, now go back to Belgian and manage a team in front of 10 people like you did before.
Some of the stuff that gets written on here is bang out of order.
IF anyone is looking for a good read - try reading Robert Enke's book. For those who don't know he is the for German international goalkeeper who killed himself because of the pressures of football. A fucking game.
We may not be happy but as far as I am concerned the players and Karel are/were not the problem. They are not paid enough to deal with the shit they are dealing with from thousands of people every week. I reiterate it's a game.
The regime are the bulk of the problem but from tomorrow onwards we should be absolutely 100% behind Jose Riga and the team. That's the only way out of this mess.
As mym deceased mother taught me - if you have nothing nice to say - don't say anything.
Class lol
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What he did in the time he was here was criminal. Football is my life.ShootersHillGuru said:
Read the thread. No one is suggesting they are not glad he's gone. It's just unecessary to paint the bloke as some sort of criminal. It's only football mate. Get a life.Nicholas said:
Oh do shut up. The amount that's been said about him Katrien and Roland on here and yet you want to pull me up on that. These lot have totally killed the club I have loved and followed all my life, so if their little regime breaks down in anyway I will be the first to tell them to piss off.ShootersHillGuru said:
Show a bit of class Nicholas ffs.Nicholas said:
So you wont be happy saying that when the Belgians finally go then? He was a disgrace and should have walked away a long time ago.Swisdom said:
That's the sort of poisonous shit that's unnecessary.Nicholas said:Karel if you are reading this your a disgrace, now go back to Belgian and manage a team in front of 10 people like you did before.
Some of the stuff that gets written on here is bang out of order.
IF anyone is looking for a good read - try reading Robert Enke's book. For those who don't know he is the for German international goalkeeper who killed himself because of the pressures of football. A fucking game.
We may not be happy but as far as I am concerned the players and Karel are/were not the problem. They are not paid enough to deal with the shit they are dealing with from thousands of people every week. I reiterate it's a game.
The regime are the bulk of the problem but from tomorrow onwards we should be absolutely 100% behind Jose Riga and the team. That's the only way out of this mess.
As mym deceased mother taught me - if you have nothing nice to say - don't say anything.
Class lol6 -
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He turned up and said the squad was fine, we can only put 11 people on the pitch.
He his behind his 'interim' title like a good little puppet.
He refused to take any responsibility for his clueless and totally inept tactics and team selections.
Without fail he always claimed we were the better team for [insert time of 1st goal] minutes.
He got caught lying about scouting and recruitment, claiming to have picked Vetokele over Peeters and distancing himself from all poor transfers (take your pick).
He never once clapped fans who'd travelled hundreds of miles and spent 100+ to be at certain games.
A reverse at a team who’d lost 9 in a row then 5-0 at Huddersfield is our worst few days in 25+ years.
He then hid behind his keeper and captain with the press, the former almost in tears.
Indeed, the bell is ringing for you now Karel. Good f’n riddance.11 -
Let me guess, you've got a poster of Danny dyer with the caption "WOT ELSE YA GANA DO ON A SA'ERDAY?" On your wall?Nicholas said:
What he did in the time he was here was criminal. Football is my life.ShootersHillGuru said:
Read the thread. No one is suggesting they are not glad he's gone. It's just unecessary to paint the bloke as some sort of criminal. It's only football mate. Get a life.Nicholas said:
Oh do shut up. The amount that's been said about him Katrien and Roland on here and yet you want to pull me up on that. These lot have totally killed the club I have loved and followed all my life, so if their little regime breaks down in anyway I will be the first to tell them to piss off.ShootersHillGuru said:
Show a bit of class Nicholas ffs.Nicholas said:
So you wont be happy saying that when the Belgians finally go then? He was a disgrace and should have walked away a long time ago.Swisdom said:
That's the sort of poisonous shit that's unnecessary.Nicholas said:Karel if you are reading this your a disgrace, now go back to Belgian and manage a team in front of 10 people like you did before.
Some of the stuff that gets written on here is bang out of order.
IF anyone is looking for a good read - try reading Robert Enke's book. For those who don't know he is the for German international goalkeeper who killed himself because of the pressures of football. A fucking game.
We may not be happy but as far as I am concerned the players and Karel are/were not the problem. They are not paid enough to deal with the shit they are dealing with from thousands of people every week. I reiterate it's a game.
The regime are the bulk of the problem but from tomorrow onwards we should be absolutely 100% behind Jose Riga and the team. That's the only way out of this mess.
As mym deceased mother taught me - if you have nothing nice to say - don't say anything.
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@LouisMend how do you know about the forum and social media watching? Seems pretty personal knowledge that you wouldn't expect someone to share.2
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I don't want to go into that too much but the piece relates to Karel's reading of both press articles and social media and how his personal reaction to stories and assumptions on both changed his persona and dealings with the press throughout his time here.Chunes said:@LouisMend how do you know about the forum and social media watching? Seems pretty personal knowledge that you wouldn't expect someone to share.
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Dunno why people are digging out Nicholas?!
I think Fraeye is a coward and a prick. There are hundreds of better suited people for the managers job at Charlton Athletic. Jobs for the boys its called isnt it?
He has probably earned a few quid whilst being not only an awful manager/coach, but he left his own staff out to dry only a few days ago. Fuck him.
And i hope RD croaks soon.15 -
It was just this paragraph really stuck out to me:LouisMend said:
I don't want to go into that too much but the piece relates to Karel's reading of both press articles and social media and how his personal reaction to stories and assumptions on both changed his persona and dealings with the press throughout his time here.Chunes said:@LouisMend how do you know about the forum and social media watching? Seems pretty personal knowledge that you wouldn't expect someone to share.
Unused to this level of examination in his previous role at Belgian third division side VW Hamme, Fraeye sought out and read everything written about him and the club on social media and forums. He took it all immensely personally.
Just wondering if you're saying this is a fact or that you're basing it on observations in changes in his behavior over time.0 -
Very strangekentaddick said:
Let me guess, you've got a poster of Danny dyer with the caption "WOT ELSE YA GANA DO ON A SA'ERDAY?" On your wall?Nicholas said:
What he did in the time he was here was criminal. Football is my life.ShootersHillGuru said:
Read the thread. No one is suggesting they are not glad he's gone. It's just unecessary to paint the bloke as some sort of criminal. It's only football mate. Get a life.Nicholas said:
Oh do shut up. The amount that's been said about him Katrien and Roland on here and yet you want to pull me up on that. These lot have totally killed the club I have loved and followed all my life, so if their little regime breaks down in anyway I will be the first to tell them to piss off.ShootersHillGuru said:
Show a bit of class Nicholas ffs.Nicholas said:
So you wont be happy saying that when the Belgians finally go then? He was a disgrace and should have walked away a long time ago.Swisdom said:
That's the sort of poisonous shit that's unnecessary.Nicholas said:Karel if you are reading this your a disgrace, now go back to Belgian and manage a team in front of 10 people like you did before.
Some of the stuff that gets written on here is bang out of order.
IF anyone is looking for a good read - try reading Robert Enke's book. For those who don't know he is the for German international goalkeeper who killed himself because of the pressures of football. A fucking game.
We may not be happy but as far as I am concerned the players and Karel are/were not the problem. They are not paid enough to deal with the shit they are dealing with from thousands of people every week. I reiterate it's a game.
The regime are the bulk of the problem but from tomorrow onwards we should be absolutely 100% behind Jose Riga and the team. That's the only way out of this mess.
As mym deceased mother taught me - if you have nothing nice to say - don't say anything.
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IF Fraeye had been plucked from obscurity and thrust under the spotlight and into the pressure cooker of a
mixed metaphorrelegation battle by RD and Co. then yeah, I'd feel sorry for him. But by all accounts he'd been manoeuvring himself into position for the job directly and indirectly for some time now. Yes the pressure got to him, yes he cracked and it's not something to be wished on anyone, but at least in part he put himself in the position for that to happen to him.
The only sympathy I do have for him is that he's been thoroughly shafted by the Belgian Mob. RD's general indifference doesn't help but Meire's utter cowardice in trying to shovel as much of the blame onto Fraeye as possible and absolving herself of any responsibility (as she sees it at least) in an attempt to make KF the 'face' of the Belgians is despicable. If it's true she asked players whether Fraeye was good enough with Fraeye STILL IN THE ROOM that's just appalling and is would probably crack experienced, competent coaches if they were already under fire from pretty much everywhere else.
I am not trying to excuse Fraeye but the point remains we've had about half a dozenmanagerssorry, head coaches all got the boot. In the same period we've had ONE chief executive who manages to make the worst of them look positively competent. She's still here, along with her paymaster. THAT'S what we've got to be protesting.12 -
Like I say I don't wanna go in to too much detail but I know for a fact that he took stuff in the press and on forums to heart personally.Chunes said:
It was just this paragraph really stuck out to me:LouisMend said:
I don't want to go into that too much but the piece relates to Karel's reading of both press articles and social media and how his personal reaction to stories and assumptions on both changed his persona and dealings with the press throughout his time here.Chunes said:@LouisMend how do you know about the forum and social media watching? Seems pretty personal knowledge that you wouldn't expect someone to share.
Unused to this level of examination in his previous role at Belgian third division side VW Hamme, Fraeye sought out and read everything written about him and the club on social media and forums. He took it all immensely personally.
Just wondering if you're saying this is a fact or that you're basing it on observations in changes in his behavior over time.3 -
Reading the forums and social media when in such a role strikes me as one of two things: either insecurity or narcissism. Started as the latter, ended as the former, I suspect.
(Chris Powell laughed his head off at the idea of a manager even looking at the forums.)17
