Once again the man that Always looks for the truth behind the mess that is charlton athletic. Good on you.
That's fine.
Very good PL
On a serious note (not that our PL isn't serious). Very well written Airman. The pen is certainly mightier than the sword. When you read this and every other post by lifers that just accentuate the facts, it hammers home the incompetence of it all.
They're running out of time, ideas and shame. More articles like this please
One bit really hits home: 'Whatever you make of the personalities involved, there’s little question in my mind that Varney’s investor possesses both the resources and the ambition to take Charlton back to the Premier League. This risk now is that those attributes will be diverted to a competitor club'. It means we have to fight this war with everything we have.
So very very true.
Funnily enough, the bit about getting back into the Premier League is not my biggest concern, though it would be nice. I think it's much more fundamental than that. I don't need to trot out the reasons; everyone knows what they are.
If you want them out then we have to do the same as Standard fans did. It ain't pretty but it is effective.
If people keep peddling the same myth, in the face of evidence from those of us who are in regular contact with the Standard fans then they will make tactical errors, not get the results they want, and may face unintended consequences.
The things you are missing are that firstly Standard had a ready buyer already sitting in the boardroom, and secondly other clubs were getting ready to make trouble for him over the conflict of interest with STVV getting promoted.
So the most important thing is to do all we can to get them to talk to Varney (the nearest thing we have to Venanzi). The protests are very important but the extreme stuff carried out by some Standard ultras had no effect on the result, and may have made things worse. (there is talk that RD ripped the club off when he exited, although the investigations are not yet conclusive)
Anyway when I read some people talking about getting more "aggressive" when the only physical target is a 31 year old woman, and a 70 plus year old man, it sounds frankly pathetic and the talk of bullies. he important thing, the smart thing, is to be creative so as to get maximum media coverage. Fortunately a load of people on here are working on exactly that strategy, not least because that is what we are famous for.
An excellent summary Rick your best to date for me.
Saddened as I was by the fans turning on the players, the context is understandable. As it was a cup game, the players may have had an easier subconscious way of showing their disillusionment.
One bit really hits home: 'Whatever you make of the personalities involved, there’s little question in my mind that Varney’s investor possesses both the resources and the ambition to take Charlton back to the Premier League. This risk now is that those attributes will be diverted to a competitor club'. It means we have to fight this war with everything we have.
So very very true.
Funnily enough, the bit about getting back into the Premier League is not my biggest concern, though it would be nice. I think it's much more fundamental than that. I don't need to trot out the reasons; everyone knows what they are.
I agree, but I think the point is that it seems increasingly PL clubs are able to be sustainable, whereas Championship clubs require subsidy.
One bit really hits home: 'Whatever you make of the personalities involved, there’s little question in my mind that Varney’s investor possesses both the resources and the ambition to take Charlton back to the Premier League. This risk now is that those attributes will be diverted to a competitor club'. It means we have to fight this war with everything we have.
So very very true.
Funnily enough, the bit about getting back into the Premier League is not my biggest concern, though it would be nice. I think it's much more fundamental than that. I don't need to trot out the reasons; everyone knows what they are.
I agree, but I think the point is that it seems increasingly PL clubs are able to be sustainable, whereas Championship clubs require subsidy.
The amount of money they (Prem clubs) get from TV deals these days, it would almost be harder for them not to be sustainable. I'm sure some will still manage it though!
One bit really hits home: 'Whatever you make of the personalities involved, there’s little question in my mind that Varney’s investor possesses both the resources and the ambition to take Charlton back to the Premier League. This risk now is that those attributes will be diverted to a competitor club'. It means we have to fight this war with everything we have.
So very very true.
Funnily enough, the bit about getting back into the Premier League is not my biggest concern, though it would be nice. I think it's much more fundamental than that. I don't need to trot out the reasons; everyone knows what they are.
I agree, but I think the point is that it seems increasingly PL clubs are able to be sustainable, whereas Championship clubs require subsidy.
It's a fair point. What might seem a facetious comment on the back of that but is meant seriously - is League 1 an easier place, do you think, to break even once you 'downsize'? In which case, RD's strategy (sort of) makes sense.
If you want them out then we have to do the same as Standard fans did. It ain't pretty but it is effective.
If people keep peddling the same myth, in the face of evidence from those of us who are in regular contact with the Standard fans then they will make tactical errors, not get the results they want, and may face unintended consequences.
The things you are missing are that firstly Standard had a ready buyer already sitting in the boardroom, and secondly other clubs were getting ready to make trouble for him over the conflict of interest with STVV getting promoted.
So the most important thing is to do all we can to get them to talk to Varney (the nearest thing we have to Venanzi). The protests are very important but the extreme stuff carried out by some Standard ultras had no effect on the result, and may have made things worse. (there is talk that RD ripped the club off when he exited, although the investigations are not yet conclusive)
Anyway when I read some people talking about getting more "aggressive" when the only physical target is a 31 year old woman, and a 70 plus year old man, it sounds frankly pathetic and the talk of bullies. he important thing, the smart thing, is to be creative so as to get maximum media coverage. Fortunately a load of people on here are working on exactly that strategy, not least because that is what we are famous for.
Well said Prague.
I think there is a fine line between getting attention and just outright causing trouble. Protests are good. Social media campaigns and stuff online is also good. These things serve clear motives of getting more media scrutiny of the situation.
Similarly, applying pressure elsewhere and making yourself a pain in the ass - even if it is just a 15 minute annoyance - much like questioning the ownership model with the Football League or the NHS call center usage with regards to the ACV. It all adds up, a la death by a thousand paper cuts etc.
However mimicking the Liege ultras will do nothing, because it's out of our character and can quickly turn the narrative in to "Charlton thugs threaten female CEO" - we know how good Katrien is/was at changing the narrative to make her seem like a Victim. Don't give her, or the regime, ammunition.
I don't think we should advocate any nasty stuff, but we do have some hard fans. I trust they will deal with this in their own way. This is going to get nasty. You can only blame the owner and his cronies when it does.
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On a serious note (not that our PL isn't serious). Very well written Airman. The pen is certainly mightier than the sword. When you read this and every other post by lifers that just accentuate the facts, it hammers home the incompetence of it all.
They're running out of time, ideas and shame. More articles like this please
The things you are missing are that firstly Standard had a ready buyer already sitting in the boardroom, and secondly other clubs were getting ready to make trouble for him over the conflict of interest with STVV getting promoted.
So the most important thing is to do all we can to get them to talk to Varney (the nearest thing we have to Venanzi). The protests are very important but the extreme stuff carried out by some Standard ultras had no effect on the result, and may have made things worse. (there is talk that RD ripped the club off when he exited, although the investigations are not yet conclusive)
Anyway when I read some people talking about getting more "aggressive" when the only physical target is a 31 year old woman, and a 70 plus year old man, it sounds frankly pathetic and the talk of bullies. he important thing, the smart thing, is to be creative so as to get maximum media coverage. Fortunately a load of people on here are working on exactly that strategy, not least because that is what we are famous for.
Saddened as I was by the fans turning on the players, the context is understandable. As it was a cup game, the players may have had an easier subconscious way of showing their disillusionment.
I think there is a fine line between getting attention and just outright causing trouble. Protests are good. Social media campaigns and stuff online is also good. These things serve clear motives of getting more media scrutiny of the situation.
Similarly, applying pressure elsewhere and making yourself a pain in the ass - even if it is just a 15 minute annoyance - much like questioning the ownership model with the Football League or the NHS call center usage with regards to the ACV. It all adds up, a la death by a thousand paper cuts etc.
However mimicking the Liege ultras will do nothing, because it's out of our character and can quickly turn the narrative in to "Charlton thugs threaten female CEO" - we know how good Katrien is/was at changing the narrative to make her seem like a Victim. Don't give her, or the regime, ammunition.
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