So RM is willing to talk to PV and then report back to RD...
Isn't that what RM could / should have done when first copied in to the email chain by RD on November 9th? While I accept RM wasn't on the original email he was still copied in almost two months ago now.
You can't help but feel RM will meet with PV and then tell RD he'd be wasting his time to close the matter regardless of what PV has to say.
If RM was able to hold talks with PV and convince RD to at least talk to PV it might help RM regain some credibility in that he would be doing the right thing for the club. Should this not lead to a meeting between RD and PV you have to question RM's motives.
I'd say RM has bought himself a last chance now to do the right thing for the club and he would be wise to take it.
I was thinking of wearing a suit and bringing a print out of my own CV as clearly, they haven't managed to find the right man to take over from the interim one and the search is taking an awfully long time. Might as well try my luck.
Then I found out that I'm working Saturday... :-(
You wouldn't have needed a full suit. A waist coat and pair of trousers would have done. No need for a CV either. Just tell them you used to be punch out of Punch and Judy. Oh no you didn't - but that doesn't matter. All the job entails is saying yes, picking players names out of a hat, smiling a lot and writing the odd instruction on a post it note.
Oh, and you must be able to tell lies, not little white ones, absolute whoppers that you wouldn't even believe yourself.
@Airman Brown are you able to elaborate on what he is basing his support for them on? He cannot think results and performances have been acceptable under KF, for example. Has he enunciated what he believes the end goal of the regime to be?
I think it is not a fair comparison. Yes Gritty was the Charlton hero, but people trusted Murray's judgement, even those who didn't agree with it. There certainly wasn't the unrest we see now. All the example shows, was that there was a time when Murray had judgement. Maybe it is a trait of these really successful people, that they can't admit when they are wrong. I think he communicated with us too. Surely he can see how poorly RD and KM communicate with fans to the point of disrespect. He never did that in the beginning.
I was thinking of wearing a suit and bringing a print out of my own CV as clearly, they haven't managed to find the right man to take over from the interim one and the search is taking an awfully long time. Might as well try my luck.
Then I found out that I'm working Saturday... :-(
You wouldn't have needed a full suit. A waist coat and pair of trousers would have done. No need for a CV either. Just tell them you used to be punch out of Punch and Judy. Oh no you didn't - but that doesn't matter. All the job entails is saying yes, picking players names out of a hat, smiling a lot and writing the odd instruction on a post it note.
Oh, and you must be able to tell lies, not little white ones, absolute whoppers that you wouldn't even believe yourself.
I was thinking of wearing a suit and bringing a print out of my own CV as clearly, they haven't managed to find the right man to take over from the interim one and the search is taking an awfully long time. Might as well try my luck.
Then I found out that I'm working Saturday... :-(
You wouldn't have needed a full suit. A waist coat and pair of trousers would have done. No need for a CV either. Just tell them you used to be punch out of Punch and Judy. Oh no you didn't - but that doesn't matter. All the job entails is saying yes, picking players names out of a hat, smiling a lot and writing the odd instruction on a post it note.
Oh, and you must be able to tell lies, not little white ones, absolute whoppers that you wouldn't even believe yourself.
I think it is not a fair comparison. Yes Gritty was the Charlton hero, but people trusted Murray's judgement, even those who didn't agree with it. There certainly wasn't the unrest we see now. All the example shows, was that there was a time when Murray had judgement. Maybe it is a trait of these really successful people, that they can't admit when they are wrong.
Curbs had played professionally at the highest level. I know that doesn't mean that he was guaranteed to be a success but this guy hasn't played at any level from what I can see and has just jumped from coaching a very mediocre regional team to the English Championship without any success as such at the level he was at. I would rather they had taken a punt on Jason Euell or JJ. Either of those would have been less ridiculous and less of a gamble. Delusional words from RM.
@Airman Brown are you able to elaborate on what he is basing his support for them on? He cannot think results and performances have been acceptable under KF, for example. Has he enunciated what he believes the end goal of the regime to be?
I think in fairness to RM he couldn't be expected to articulate a critique of detailed aspects of the regime to me. It would be a strange way for him to communicate concerns, although I would have respected any confidences requested. I am clear, however, that he doesn't share my/our general view. Mostly he wanted to tell me things about Varney which he assumed I wouldn't have heard before, but for which I have in fact already heard the rebuttal. None of that is really relevant to the current issue, except that their relationship is toxic.
I am saddened that RM cant see whats happening, I cant believe he still wants to keep the Belgian buffoon in charge. If the rumors about Lookman, JBG etc are true, was it not good old RM who said with RD in charge no longer will we have to sell players cheaply to get finances in!!! Well that is what is rumoured to be happening......the complete opposite of what RM said less than 2 years ago!!!
If anyone was in any doubt as to whether RM has lost the plot, his phone call to Airman now firmly aligns him to the circus owner, his female ringmaster and the chief clown in charge of team affairs. The inference that he was dishing the dirt on PV to vindicate his own position smacks of the feud he had with Tango man and look how well that turned out. His reference to the appointment of Curbs turning out to be a master stroke when supporting the appointment of Carol is just mind blowing.
So he is apparently now going to meet with PV having denied in the Directors Box on Monday that he was aware of the infamous email exchanges however the outcome does not look like it is going to be favourable in removing the circus, oh how I hope I'm wrong.
I seriously worry about the state of RMs mind who really can't be bothered about getting his loans repaid, is there purely for the kudos of sitting at the top table and still having a sense of power to screw people over who have crossed him in the past.
The saddest thing in all of this is that we the long suffering fans get hurt in the crossfire.
A final plea to RM for goodness sake, swallow your pride, put past differences aside and listen with an open mind to what PV has to offer and then salvage what you can from this mess you are party to. Failing which explain to us all why the Belgian experiment is so wonderful.
If you have a limited budget, the club's current procurement policy doesn't lend itself to it. It creates a lopsided, unbalanced squad. Murray never had this ridiculous approach. He identified the right man and let him build. Given that this worked so well for him, I don't get how he is supportive of what the owner is and has been doing. It defies football logic. But maybe rather than having great judgement Murray had only one good decision in him. Maybe he was lucky with Curbishley. Dowie, selling Reid etc... have been disastrous decisions before RD came along and there are quite a few more we can mention.
Maybe Murray made two good decisions to be fair. Appointing a genius to the managers role and then letting the bloke get on with it. We don't have a manager anymore. Just a coach from the Belgian equivalent of non -league and one not doing all that well there at that, who also has to work with an inadequate squad. How does that qualify him to manage in a different country, in a tough league like the Championship? Surely Murray has seen the issues in the blokes tactical nous. It isn't difficult to spot even though it isn't easy to do well with teh squad we have. Last season, as well as this, Charlton have put out teams that there was no way they would not be defeated due to inexperience, lack of cover. I accepted it last season as I thought people would learn from it but there has been absolutely no evidence of this. We don't disagree that there is too much money spent in the game, but if Murray can't see that the execution and distortion of a noble principal is what this owner is about, he was probably as lucky as a lottery winner when Curbishley came along!
I am saddened that RM cant see whats happening, I cant believe he still wants to keep the Belgian buffoon in charge. If the rumors about Lookman, JBG etc are true, was it not good old RM who said with RD in charge no longer will we have to sell players cheaply to get finances in!!! Well that is what is rumoured to be happening......the complete opposite of what RM said less than 2 years ago!!!
Remember this is the man who announced that Les Reed would remain Charlton manager and promptly gave him a 4-year contract.
@Airman Brown are you able to elaborate on what he is basing his support for them on? He cannot think results and performances have been acceptable under KF, for example. Has he enunciated what he believes the end goal of the regime to be?
I think in fairness to RM he couldn't be expected to articulate a critique of detailed aspects of the regime to me. It would be a strange way for him to communicate concerns, although I would have respected any confidences requested. I am clear, however, that he doesn't share my/our general view. Mostly he wanted to tell me things about Varney which he assumed I wouldn't have heard before, but for which I have in fact already heard the rebuttal. None of that is really relevant to the current issue, except that their relationship is toxic.
That's fair, and very many thanks for getting back to me - I thought it'd be a long shot, but it's the bit that strikes me most, how can the future of the club be anything but negative in the short, medium and long term under the current structure.
Appreciate your candour over the last few days, the revelations have been highly enlightening to me, and have clearly brought many others in line. Cheers.
It all reads to me as if Peter Varney needs to have a sit down with Roland Duchatelet, undisturbed in a quiet place, with a clear and neat, here and now proposition. RM and KM need to steer clear of it and we can all wait and see what occurs like waiting for smoke from the Vatican.
At the time he appointed Reed, I was saying he should have stuck with Dowie. I have never seen the fight that was still there, leave a team so quickly as Reed's first game and subsequent ones. I'm not saying Dowie was the right choice, but had he been kept on and the Reed bit missed out, and then be sacked for Pardew, the history may have looked a lot different and Pardew may have been a Valley hero. I'm sure Dowie would have picked up more points than Reed did, and they may have kept us up!
Murray changed the structure when Curbs left. Not sure why he didn't go for continuity. Dowie was a traditional manager that couldn't sign up to the new way. Maybe there is a touch of the RDs about Murray if you study the history.
We can only hope that when/if Richard meets Peter, that whatever their past they do what's right for the club and for the thousands of supporters, the years of history and the future. If the meeting doesn't go well, I make a plea to Peter to carry on trying to buy the club, we need you and we need you and your investors NOW!! Perhaps if you could pay off RM within a 2 year time frame he would be more receptive, IF I had £7 million I gladly give it to get this deal done!1
Murray changed the structure when Curbs left. Not sure why he didn't go for continuity. Dowie was a traditional manager that couldn't sign up to the new way. Maybe there is a touch of the RDs about Murray if you study the history.
More than a touch. The Andrew Mills thing, choosing the managers' staff and then appointing Dowie. And proudly posing in the centre of the team photo. Alarm bells rang for some of us back then.
Sadly the man's responsible for the destruction of our football club more than anyone.
If the green machine can lose to barney and the power can lose to the cobra, maybe Charlton can avoid demotion under Fraye. The force is not with us though. Still, let's close the old year and bring in the new
I sent Meire an email about a year ago quite politely to advice I was becoming disillusioned after over 30 years of being a fan and that I was not sure I would be renewing my season ticket for this season unless she could convince me otherwise. She did not give me the courtesy of a response. I forwarded it to RM at the time and he also ignored it. Like peas in a pod sadly.
Murray changed the structure when Curbs left. Not sure why he didn't go for continuity. Dowie was a traditional manager that couldn't sign up to the new way. Maybe there is a touch of the RDs about Murray if you study the history.
The new (post-Curbs) coaching structure of Dowie, Reed and Robson, indeed supported by the entire Board, was in fact designed and championed by Peter Varney.
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Isn't that what RM could / should have done when first copied in to the email chain by RD on November 9th? While I accept RM wasn't on the original email he was still copied in almost two months ago now.
You can't help but feel RM will meet with PV and then tell RD he'd be wasting his time to close the matter regardless of what PV has to say.
If RM was able to hold talks with PV and convince RD to at least talk to PV it might help RM regain some credibility in that he would be doing the right thing for the club. Should this not lead to a meeting between RD and PV you have to question RM's motives.
I'd say RM has bought himself a last chance now to do the right thing for the club and he would be wise to take it.
Oh, and you must be able to tell lies, not little white ones, absolute whoppers that you wouldn't even believe yourself.
So he is apparently now going to meet with PV having denied in the Directors Box on Monday that he was aware of the infamous email exchanges however the outcome does not look like it is going to be favourable in removing the circus, oh how I hope I'm wrong.
I seriously worry about the state of RMs mind who really can't be bothered about getting his loans repaid, is there purely for the kudos of sitting at the top table and still having a sense of power to screw people over who have crossed him in the past.
The saddest thing in all of this is that we the long suffering fans get hurt in the crossfire.
A final plea to RM for goodness sake, swallow your pride, put past differences aside and listen with an open mind to what PV has to offer and then salvage what you can from this mess you are party to. Failing which explain to us all why the Belgian experiment is so wonderful.
Maybe Murray made two good decisions to be fair. Appointing a genius to the managers role and then letting the bloke get on with it. We don't have a manager anymore. Just a coach from the Belgian equivalent of non -league and one not doing all that well there at that, who also has to work with an inadequate squad. How does that qualify him to manage in a different country, in a tough league like the Championship? Surely Murray has seen the issues in the blokes tactical nous. It isn't difficult to spot even though it isn't easy to do well with teh squad we have. Last season, as well as this, Charlton have put out teams that there was no way they would not be defeated due to inexperience, lack of cover. I accepted it last season as I thought people would learn from it but there has been absolutely no evidence of this. We don't disagree that there is too much money spent in the game, but if Murray can't see that the execution and distortion of a noble principal is what this owner is about, he was probably as lucky as a lottery winner when Curbishley came along!
Duchatelet is a madman/sociopath.
Murray is a senile narcissist.
Appreciate your candour over the last few days, the revelations have been highly enlightening to me, and have clearly brought many others in line. Cheers.
RM and KM need to steer clear of it and we can all wait and see what occurs like waiting for smoke from the Vatican.
I suppose what I am suggesting is too much.
Murray changed the structure when Curbs left. Not sure why he didn't go for continuity. Dowie was a traditional manager that couldn't sign up to the new way. Maybe there is a touch of the RDs about Murray if you study the history.
Perhaps if you could pay off RM within a 2 year time frame he would be more receptive, IF I had £7 million I gladly give it to get this deal done!1
Sadly the man's responsible for the destruction of our football club more than anyone.
No permanent manager
No permanent head scout
No director of football
No head of communications
They have no clue. How Murray can even suggest what's going on is good for the club defies belief.