I know many on here want to rewrite history and deny the tremendous job he did for Charlton but it cannot be denied that he has galvanised a dispirited, disorganised West Ham side and saved their Premiership status.
He has now indisputably proved what a great manager he is. Sadly it is at our expense.
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I think Len is right about what he says about what Curbishley ( note he's not Curbs anymore) has seemed to have managed to do.
But I'd rather talk about it a little later! It's pi$$ing me off bigtime now.
He's done well with Pards squad, and Pards has done well with the shit left to him
Alot of that team were bought by Pardew our current manager.
Carlos Tevez, the goalscorer of TWO thats right TWO goals today shouldn't have been playing for them all season.
They should have been docked points FACT.
Its not an excuse its just a little something called justice.
The "goal" at Blackburn springs immediately to mind.
You can't question Alan Pardew. Christmas eve we was dead and buried and hes turned it into a good old fight and we aint dead just yet. Pards will motivate them. If we didn't have pardew I don't think we would have even made over 25 points.
I think we'd have given it a go in last few months with any manager (i.e. not Uncle Les) worth his salt, but we've fallen short at the crucial time.
Bolton might have played poorly today, but is anyone sure that we'd have got a similar result if we'd have been playing them?
Pardew is turning our club around and it's a shame he wasn't available earlier.
Curbishley / West Ham have been lucky and we will have to wait and see if the legal advice to the four clubs amounts to anything next week.
But he is no 'god' Len, that's for sure.He left us with a squad that the majority of us said 'is going down next season'. It appears as if the omens are conspiring in their favour; the dodgy win against Blackburn with the false goal, the win against Arsenal when they could lost 9-1, the incorrectly signed player suddenly turning into one of the top 3 influential players in the Prem, the Premierships ridiculous sentancing, everything has gone their way. He has galvinised then enough to take advantage of it, but to me its still more luck than judgement. I still won't have anyone say he is not a very good manager though.
If we go down, so be it, we're all brave enough to live with it. But West ham won't solely be kept up by Curbs miracle working.
I would rather be where we are now than still have had Curbs in charge because the last two or three seasons were sh*t to watch - I honestly could not bear it.
As for West Ham, Tevez who shouldn't even be there is the ONE AND ONLY reason they have been winning - watch Match of the Day if you don't believe me.
Not often we agree Rothko but you are absolute unequivocally SPOT ON MY MAN
I reckon I am on this board as much as anyone I cannot recall EVER seeing anyone say what you have suggested.
In a recent poll on here 99.9% agreed that he should have gone, yourself included. Many believed he stayed too long.
HE needed a change and so did we.
Personally I didn't have any affection for him, but to be fair I do not think that was something he ever courted. I found him dour and cold and his post/pre match interviews repetitive and inarticulate. The football he served up to the home fans over his last 2 years was shocking.
However, I have never and would never undermined what he achieved for the club over his 15 years. I have total respect for the man as a football manager as a whole.
If you are going to make such statements Len you need to back them up with hard evidence.
He is not anything to do with us anymore and never will be again.
I have two words to say to you Len:
MOVE ON!
Brilliant post, seconded!
OK, when I said "on here" maybe that should more accurately have been here and netaddicks. DFT, Greekmaster, Golfaddick and Bournemouth addick are 4 off the top of my head that have directly blamed Curbs for our predicament. Plenty more have made comments along the lines of well Curbs kept us in the Prem but the football was boring. Still more have said that we are in the position we are in because of the sh** squad he left us.
I reproduce from another thread my thoughts on that:
Curbishley was offered but rejected a new 4 year contract a year before his existing contract expired.
He was prepared to see out his existing contract but The Board, Richard Murray, whoever decided that he should leave immediately.
I'm not going to express an opinion here as to whether that was the right or wrong decision.
However it is an undeniable FACT that nobody knows what squad changes Curbishley would have made had he stayed because he wasn't given the opportunity!!
That is why it irritates me that people whinge about the sh** squad Curbs left us with. Curbs was never allowed to see out his contract and finish the job. It is therefore wrong and unfair to lay any blame at his door for the events of this season.
To tackle the other points you raise:
1) the poll. Yes I questioned whether Curbs should have been offered a 4 year deal. However (admittedly maybe with an element of hindsight) I would have liked him to see out his contract to enable us to get the right man first time.
2) I have "Moved on" I just don't like seeing Club legends rubbished or unfairly blamed.
Most people on here (and netaddicks) know that I am and have been a staunch defender of Radostin Kishishev. It is apparent that Pardew does not rate him otherwise he would not have let him go to Leeds on loan.
More than once I have stated that I am so confident in Pardew that I accept his decision unquestionably about a player I personally think still has something to offer.
Nowhere have I questioned Alan Pardew. I think that suggests that I have "moved on!"
I personally feel he stayed a season or two too long, and had lost his drive and run out of ideas.
But take nothing away from the man. He deserves all the plaudits going - and also had the integrity to realise his time was up at The Valley and to move on.
And he did.
Anything else is just conjecture.
That he has gone back to his "roots" is fine. I have two adopted children, they have two families, the ours and their birth one. Their past is part of them and what makes them special. When they are old enough, they may want to contact their birth family. I don't despise them for that, it's part of their life and I will encourage them and support them if they want to do this. So for me it is the same with Curbs. He's a Hamsters boy, I don't begrudge him for one second wanting to be the Hamsters manager. We are rivals now and that is perfectly fine. I wanted us to stay up, if necessary at West Hams expense. I wanted us to stuff West Ham in February. Pards is our manager now and I give him my total support in that role.
Curbs is still one of our family though and a legend here. For me that will never change.
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Could not have put it better myself, well said Bing.
quality.