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Did the good years ever happen?
AFKABartram
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Feels like so many positives from the era have now been wiped in terms of impacts.
If you try and think of The modern day Valley vs the returning Valley, then if you knock down the East Stand, if you knock down the North Upper, if you knock down both quadrants, and if you knock down the West Upper, you can now fit our match going fans in the remaining three sections. Just like in 1992.
If as a lot of us fear we go down this year, pretty convinced their will be stand closures introduced for the first time :-(
If you try and think of The modern day Valley vs the returning Valley, then if you knock down the East Stand, if you knock down the North Upper, if you knock down both quadrants, and if you knock down the West Upper, you can now fit our match going fans in the remaining three sections. Just like in 1992.
If as a lot of us fear we go down this year, pretty convinced their will be stand closures introduced for the first time :-(
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basically we might as well have never gone up to the premier league, never rebuilt the west stand and north stand. only thing I can take now is the memories. this era has been soul destroying. Sadly unlike 1992 we have not got a decent manager(s) to at least keep us away from trouble and look like chasing a playoff spot0
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We're not one of England's big clubs so days like this will happen... Just got to stick with it and the good times will return.
We got relegated from the First Division in 1956 and didn't return until 1986... Things will get better eventually just got to keep the faith a support the players on the pitch, the biggest danger is if people stay away, in this current climate, we might just keep falling, Charlton might completely disappear and then the good times will NEVER return!!2 -
I doubt that anyone has ever done as much damage to this club in such a short space of time as Roland and Katrien.16
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In answer to the question; Oh yes, as recent as the record breaking 2011/12 season but then the rug got pulled from under the messiahs feet and his new paymaster then threw him out with the bath water
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That's the most heart breaking thing for me. That season we had built a roller coaster of momentum to take into the following season. I was never expecting a season like Norwich or Southampton had upon their return as they had some very, very good players and investment our spiv of an owner it became clear had no money nor any intention of investment.
Something that pisses me off more than most things that wind me up is a bad situation happening that could have been averted. Happens at work all the fucking time, some mega keen graduate will 'engage' with me and a handful other experts (sound familiar yet Katrien) as we are the ones at the coal face. We are the ones doing the mechanics so more often than not we have a knowledge of how to fix things.
They write stuff down, they say 'we'll take this away' they thank us for our time, then do the absolute polar opposite of what we have suggested. And a clusterfuck happens.
I'd be really interested in the results of a poll asking simply 'has Roland Duchatelet and his experiment worked for YOU'
What's doubly frustrating is the people who could get on board and take the club away from this nutter Duchatelet have been burned and won't go near the club now.
We are sliding into the abyss, I take no pleasure in being right all I get is frustrated.13 -
During one of breaks for an injury and looked around the sparse crowd and wondered what stands would be closed next season. I doubt now I'll renew, but when the time comes around I might change my mind. Any question of an enforced change of seat I'm sure many won't bother next year.0
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I was think the exact same thing this morning, the club has gone back 25 years. It breaks my heart.AFKABartram said:Feels like so many positives from the era have now been wiped in terms of impacts.
If you try and think of The modern day Valley vs the returning Valley, then if you knock down the East Stand, if you knock down the North Upper, if you knock down both quadrants, and if you knock down the West Upper, you can now fit our match going fans in the remaining three sections. Just like in 1992.
If as a lot of us fear we go down this year, pretty convinced their will be stand closures introduced for the first time :-(
I cant see how we can recover under this regime, and who will buy the club now? When RD bought the club at least he inherited a decent fanbase.
With West Ham moving into their new tax payer funded stadium and Palace becoming a stable premiership club, who would be interested in us. It looks like even Gillingham will be higher than us next year.0 -
Yes, most definitely
Anything and anyone decent or worthy, every achievement, victory, every heady Saturday and every crumb of joy has been obliterated from not only Charlton's history, but also...our hearts.
Jesus wept, some of you people need to get a grip.2 -
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Had a major operation 3 weeks ago and being confined to barracks has meant I've had to miss the last 3 home games. And I hate to say it, but after nearly 45 years of trampsing across London week in, week out to watch Charlton this absence has made me finally realise that I simply don't miss watching the team UNDER THIS MANAGEMENT one little bit.
Sat in my current seat since 1998. Slowly but surely about 90% of those who sat around me in the Premiership years have given up their season tickets. And sadly, next season both my son and myself will be joining those who aren't renewing their season tickets next year.
By the way, back in January 2014 I posted a couple of posts (writing very much tongue in cheek) about how I saw things panning out. See http://charltonlife.vanillaforums.com/discussion/59395/the-full-story-revealed-for-the-1st-time-of-charltons-fall-from-chasing-the-premier-dream-part-1#latest and http://charltonlife.vanillaforums.com/discussion/59397/the-full-story-of-charltons-fall-from-chasing-the-premiership-dream-part-2#latest You will see I predicted in part 2 that stands would be shut in 2015/16 so it looks like I'm going to be out by a year!
Accept it was probably the wrong place to post it and I got panned somewhat for doing so but it's very funny looking back and seeing the comments on it - particularly the one from Fanny Fanackpan on Part 1 where she give me real stick for writing "a disgraceful piece of fiction!" Judging by her comments on the match thread she may have changed her mind now!
This is all so terribly sad and as others have said, even more so as it is all so avoidable. But none of it comes as a surprise to me. And sadly, unless we can get rid of these lunatics running our club there is a real danger we are going to fall a lot further.2 -
I'm as depressed as anyone else today, but if you are old enough to remember Hulyer and Fryer, you'd have to say both are still well ahead in the damage per month stakes. Then there is Derek Chappell, whose role in our downfall has never been properly scrutinised.MrLargo said:I doubt that anyone has ever done as much damage to this club in such a short space of time as Roland and Katrien.
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The difference being that Hulyer and even Fryer started from a much lower base with much more limited resources. Chappell is irrelevant here. You do sound like a spokesman for Richard Murray even introducing him at this point.PragueAddick said:
I'm as depressed as anyone else today, but if you are old enough to remember Hulyer and Fryer, you'd have to say both are still well ahead in the damage per month stakes. Then there is Derek Chappell, whose role in our downfall has never been properly scrutinised.MrLargo said:I doubt that anyone has ever done as much damage to this club in such a short space of time as Roland and Katrien.
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I only started going regularly in 2008, the "good years" never happened for me! If they appeared again I would probably have to give up my season ticket like my dad did in 99.0
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Why was that?Just_Llera said:I only started going regularly in 2008, the "good years" never happened for me! If they appeared again I would probably have to give up my season ticket like my dad did in 99.
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Would Roland actually have to murder a close family member of yours for you to stop sticking up for him?Redskin said:Yes, most definitely
Anything and anyone decent or worthy, every achievement, victory, every heady Saturday and every crumb of joy has been obliterated from not only Charlton's history, but also...our hearts.
Jesus wept, some of you people need to get a grip.
The original post is clearly not meant to be taken literally.0 -
That is true, but their decision-making brought us close to going out of business completely. It's important to keep perspective, IMHO, worried as we are.Airman Brown said:
The difference being that Hulyer and even Fryer started from a much lower base with much more limited resources. Chappell is irrelevant here. You do sound like a spokesman for Richard Murray even introducing him at this point.PragueAddick said:
I'm as depressed as anyone else today, but if you are old enough to remember Hulyer and Fryer, you'd have to say both are still well ahead in the damage per month stakes. Then there is Derek Chappell, whose role in our downfall has never been properly scrutinised.MrLargo said:I doubt that anyone has ever done as much damage to this club in such a short space of time as Roland and Katrien.
Chappell?. Dunno. But you do. Sure, he's not as big a villain as the above-named, but the complete lack of scrutiny (not confined to VOTV, but anywhere) of his actions during our fall, have always bothered me. As you know from the curry we had in Sampan a year ago.
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Chappell was a consequence of bad decisions made by Murray. You might want to research how much support RM has from the people who sat round the boardroom table with him before blowing smoke in that direction - and I mean the shareholders, not employees or elected directors.PragueAddick said:
That is true, but their decision-making brought us close to going out of business completely. It's important to keep perspective, IMHO, worried as we are.Airman Brown said:
The difference being that Hulyer and even Fryer started from a much lower base with much more limited resources. Chappell is irrelevant here. You do sound like a spokesman for Richard Murray even introducing him at this point.PragueAddick said:
I'm as depressed as anyone else today, but if you are old enough to remember Hulyer and Fryer, you'd have to say both are still well ahead in the damage per month stakes. Then there is Derek Chappell, whose role in our downfall has never been properly scrutinised.MrLargo said:I doubt that anyone has ever done as much damage to this club in such a short space of time as Roland and Katrien.
Chappell?. Dunno. But you do. Sure, he's not as big a villain as the above-named, but the complete lack of scrutiny (not confined to VOTV, but anywhere) of his actions during our fall, have always bothered me. As you know from the curry we had in Sampan a year ago.0 -
Yet more histrionics...Algarveaddick said:
Would Roland actually have to murder a close family member of yours for you to stop sticking up for him?Redskin said:Yes, most definitely
Anything and anyone decent or worthy, every achievement, victory, every heady Saturday and every crumb of joy has been obliterated from not only Charlton's history, but also...our hearts.
Jesus wept, some of you people need to get a grip.
The original post is clearly not meant to be taken literally.
And as for 'sticking up for him' you go and find a single post where I have done so;
All I've ever said with regard to him is, I'm no fan of this mob/lot.
But don't let facts get in the way of your clumsy cliché of an argument.
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This.Airman Brown said:
The difference being that Hulyer and even Fryer started from a much lower base with much more limited resources. Chappell is irrelevant here. You do sound like a spokesman for Richard Murray even introducing him at this point.PragueAddick said:
I'm as depressed as anyone else today, but if you are old enough to remember Hulyer and Fryer, you'd have to say both are still well ahead in the damage per month stakes. Then there is Derek Chappell, whose role in our downfall has never been properly scrutinised.MrLargo said:I doubt that anyone has ever done as much damage to this club in such a short space of time as Roland and Katrien.
Prague, your mate Murray needs to take a long hard look at himself.3 -
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I totally take all this on board and agree with it, BUT.........if RD sacked idiotchild Fraeye and appointed say, Curbishley, even Euell, and a couple of decent players were signed, I think people would come flooding back. I know I probably would. I have absolutely no expectation this will happen, just playing devil's advocate.petetheaddick said:
I was think the exact same thing this morning, the club has gone back 25 years. It breaks my heart.AFKABartram said:Feels like so many positives from the era have now been wiped in terms of impacts.
If you try and think of The modern day Valley vs the returning Valley, then if you knock down the East Stand, if you knock down the North Upper, if you knock down both quadrants, and if you knock down the West Upper, you can now fit our match going fans in the remaining three sections. Just like in 1992.
If as a lot of us fear we go down this year, pretty convinced their will be stand closures introduced for the first time :-(
I cant see how we can recover under this regime, and who will buy the club now? When RD bought the club at least he inherited a decent fanbase.
With West Ham moving into their new tax payer funded stadium and Palace becoming a stable premiership club, who would be interested in us. It looks like even Gillingham will be higher than us next year.0 -
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This.Airman Brown said:
The difference being that Hulyer and even Fryer started from a much lower base with much more limited resources. Chappell is irrelevant here. You do sound like a spokesman for Richard Murray even introducing him at this point.PragueAddick said:
I'm as depressed as anyone else today, but if you are old enough to remember Hulyer and Fryer, you'd have to say both are still well ahead in the damage per month stakes. Then there is Derek Chappell, whose role in our downfall has never been properly scrutinised.MrLargo said:I doubt that anyone has ever done as much damage to this club in such a short space of time as Roland and Katrien.
Prague, your mate Murray needs to take a long hard look at himself.
This "your mate" stuff is pathetically irrelevant. But now is as good a time as any to ask you, and anyone else, this question.
Which Charlton ownership regime can you recall being 100% happy with?
I'll allow that 100% could mean only that you were not actively concerned that the owner's actions were making progress impossible, and creating a severe danger of making the club worse. But otherwise I'd ask people to either answer the question as written, or not at all. Which owner, which period of time?
And my purpose is not to score personal points. My point is entirely different, but I'll wait and see how people reply, before making it.
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I'll start
Peter Varney and Richard Murray seemed to do a good job for most of the time they were at the helm
The people before shut our ground
The people after nearly put us in administration
The current incumbents are systematically leeching the guts out of the club, and we're meant to be grateful. Because they've done what the previous boards did which was keep the pitch playable. Keep training facilities decent.
And pick the team, I don't recall many of our chairman doing that2 -
I'd say Roland is worse than both Hulyer and Fryer. Those 2 did put us up shit creek but at the time, I think their intentions were good.
RD has the finance behind him but is intent on this idiotic Network idea, clueless managers and inept players.
We did nearly go bust, admittedly, but where are we heading under this clown ?0 -
Sadly those Premier League years, and the Football League Championship season do feel like just a dream now. Ironically one of the most enjoyable seasons ever was just a couple of years ago.
I think the speculating on foreign and young players has failed to work and due to the high turnover of playing staff the disconnect of the fans has been compounded. Either way, based on the financial situation, we can't expect to compete with the teams at the top of this division - some of which will end up where Bolton are in the end because they can only sustain £25m a year losses for so long.
I'm not defending the current owners but I suspect that fans of sides that have had a little taste of the 'Big Time' will have similar feelings to us. In truth I wonder if 'the good years' are part of the problem. When I was seventeen I had a knackered Ford Escort and it was an insult to old bangers to call it an old banger. I loved the car, well, I loved having a car. It meant I could get out and about and pick up girls (as in give them a lift) and take them out. Now twenty-seven years, and five cars, later (all of which were newer and significantly better than my first car) I would be very disappointed if I had to go back to what I had at seventeen.
Just ten years ago we were entertaining the Champions of Europe at The Valley, fancying our chances, and beating them. We didn't expect to beat the top four every time we played them but we picked up points against one of them almost every year. How can what we are watching now ever compete with that?0 -
Sorry I must have mixed you up with another poster of a similar user name. Apologies.Redskin said:
Yet more histrionics...Algarveaddick said:
Would Roland actually have to murder a close family member of yours for you to stop sticking up for him?Redskin said:Yes, most definitely
Anything and anyone decent or worthy, every achievement, victory, every heady Saturday and every crumb of joy has been obliterated from not only Charlton's history, but also...our hearts.
Jesus wept, some of you people need to get a grip.
The original post is clearly not meant to be taken literally.
And as for 'sticking up for him' you go and find a single post where I have done so;
All I've ever said with regard to him is, I'm no fan of this mob/lot.
But don't let facts get in the way of your clumsy cliché of an argument.0 -
2012 was the most in love with Charlton I've ever been - including the Premier League years.
Since 2014 I've never been so angry and unhappy with it.
So much good work undone in such a short period. I truly HATE what has been done to the club.1 -
I have never been so detached from this club as I am now. And there have been some pretty bad times historically .PragueAddick said:carly burn said:
This.Airman Brown said:
The difference being that Hulyer and even Fryer started from a much lower base with much more limited resources. Chappell is irrelevant here. You do sound like a spokesman for Richard Murray even introducing him at this point.PragueAddick said:
I'm as depressed as anyone else today, but if you are old enough to remember Hulyer and Fryer, you'd have to say both are still well ahead in the damage per month stakes. Then there is Derek Chappell, whose role in our downfall has never been properly scrutinised.MrLargo said:I doubt that anyone has ever done as much damage to this club in such a short space of time as Roland and Katrien.
Prague, your mate Murray needs to take a long hard look at himself.
This "your mate" stuff is pathetically irrelevant. But now is as good a time as any to ask you, and anyone else, this question.
Which Charlton ownership regime can you recall being 100% happy with?
I'll allow that 100% could mean only that you were not actively concerned that the owner's actions were making progress impossible, and creating a severe danger of making the club worse. But otherwise I'd ask people to either answer the question as written, or not at all. Which owner, which period of time?
And my purpose is not to score personal points. My point is entirely different, but I'll wait and see how people reply, before making it.
It's on its arse as far as I can see.0 -
I have only been going since the mid 90s but this is the worst I have ever felt about my team/club, I would have the "glory" days of watching Pawell Abbot and Akpo Sodje lead the line for Phil Parkinson's Charlton over this, as at least then I never questioned my desire to attend every Charlton game I could afford like I have in the last 18 months.
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Not so much the club itself but the those running it.cafctom said:2012 was the most in love with Charlton I've ever been - including the Premier League years.
Since 2014 I've never been so angry and unhappy with it.
So much good work undone in such a short period. I truly HATE what has been done to the club.
And yes, Sir Chris Powell must be heartbroken seeing all hs hard work undone. He may have had a few short comings at times but that man did so much for the club and gave us so much hope. A true legend not only as a player but as manager as well.6
