Why are you worried about people watching the game on telly and their thoughts? Surely the idea is to get it across to KM? Beach balls instead of balloons might be more effective
The yellow and green protest by Man Utd fans was noticed but did not change anything so I can' twee how a small band of our supporters at various places around the ground will be noticed wearing black and white.
We need something more visual but legal, I don't know the answer but maybe if it can be arranged for a sufficient number of fans enter the ground 10 mins late chanting and waving flags that could be black and white then that might be picked up by the cameras.
The Ipswich game is our best opportunity but a visual protest will need organising and I suggest that The Truat should get off the fence and organise it.
Someone in Spain who read it somewhere else on the internet said last night police estimate was 1000-1500
Colin said 300 (repeatedly)
I'm going to go with the 'police estimate'.
Fixed that for you.
I wasn't counting or watching, just buying tickets while the protest was taking place. I don't have any axe to grind with protestors and could be wrong in my estimation.
Your need a bloody big army to stop me getting into the ground. No boycott of matches get behind the team while the match is in play. Demonstrate outside before and after the game. Spend no money inside the ground or club shop. Petition ST holders with one title I the undersigned will not be renewing my ST if RD is still the owner next season.
First thing we need is leadership. Someone to take all the ideas on board and come up with an organised approach. Without that, we're going to keep coming up with our own ideas that won't make a dent.
With leadership we can define precisely what we want to achieve and formulate a structured approach to making that happen.
For instance, a boycott of a game will take multiple levels of marketing - fliers, a single-message website, social media, memes, comms with the SLP, Metro or Evening Standard (when was the last time a team from the top two division boycotted their
First thing we need is leadership. Someone to take all the ideas on board and come up with an organised approach. Without that, we're going to keep coming up with our own ideas that won't make a dent.
With leadership we can define precisely what we want to achieve and formulate a structured approach to making that happen.
For instance, a boycott of a game will take multiple levels of marketing - fliers, a single-message website, social media, memes, comms with the SLP, Metro or Evening Standard (when was the last time a team from the top two division boycotted their own game? Must be newsworthy), maybe even a picket line of fans.
The game can't just be the next one (especially as it's on TV), we'll need time to get the word around. To get that word to mean something too - some fans hate missing games through a kind of peer pressure, we would have to sway that pressure the other way.
I've no idea what I'm talking about but this seems logical to me. At the moment a new post is landing every day and spreading us too thinly. Like butter over too much bread!
I have said it before, and I will say it again...
ANYONE trying to stop me going to support MY team, on a matchday, better have a bloody good dentist
How DARE some of you think you have a right to tell me how I am allowed to think about my team!
Flood the North and West stands.....how? Most are season ticket holders. Are you suggesting people with season tickets in the Family Stand and/or East Stand, Upper West & Upper North now buy a ticket in the West Stand? They wont.
Wearing Black and White.....what difference is that going to make? No one watching the game on TV will even notice. Sky will NOT be putting their cameras on the crowd to highlight the fans attire for the game.
How is a protest in the car park more effective? What effect did the last one have? It didn't. Not one bit. The CEO couldn't have given less of a toss if she'd tried. How effective was this other than make fans think they were doing something really great for 15 mins?
Empty seats will be ignore? How can you say that? Do you not think people at home will be asking why there is no one at the ground? Do you not think the Sky pundits will have to acknowledge the empty stadium and explain to their viewers why this is? If 5000-6000 loyal (but deluded) fans turn up for the game, people at home will just think we have shit support these days. Nothing more.
Balloons on the pitch - the club will be fined as the game is on Sky. Any delay to the game will cost someone something!
For the record - I do have a season ticket. As do my 2 sons and my father. But none of us are going anymore until there is a significant change - whether that be the CEO, owner, investment, manager, I don't know. But we are not happy to accept what is going on anymore, and I believe many feel the same way. But....it WILL go on for much longer than it needs to all the while fans are still going to games, still spending money, still 'supporting' the team and not the 'regime'........
STAYING AWAY, IS THE ONLY WAY.
You'll be back soon amigo, we'll have another manager by Christmas.
Could be just rumour I guess, but my understanding is a load of black and white balloons are set to be released at half time at the Ipswich game? Effective aye? People at home will be scratching their heads trying to wonder why the few thousand that have turned up are all dressed as Geordies?
Doing anything during half-time will probably not get noticed, as Sky have 2 advert breaks & a few minutes of drivel discussed in "the studio".
I think something (balloons released, non-stop chanting etc) needs to be done during the game, so that the cameras pick up on it and the commentators have to mention it.
Has anybody thought about contacting Sky to tell them about any planned protest, thus ensuring that they are aware and have to talk about it?
Don't shout me down, it's just my opinion. But unless we have something organised and well planned, it will just be a damp squib of a few half-hearted "Roland Out" shouts.
You are right it is my opinion, and until I am proved wrong by the tentative and subtle demonstrations that are being promoted on this forum that will remain my opinion.
It is not any fans fault that the club is in the mess it is now, but we do all have a responsibility to make things right before it's too late.
Wearing a black and white scarf (which is quite fashionable at the moment anyway), protesting for 15 minutes in the car park, letting off some balloons and singing a song that no one else will hear and understand (other than those in the ground who feel the same way anyway).......they are so subtle they are ineffective.
Honestly, why anyone thinks putting on a black and white scarf will make a difference is beyond me? I wouldn't be at all surprised to see KM arranging for black and white scarves to be sold in the club shop with the same naïve few actually buying them!!
Move on all you like with the largely irrelevant and ineffective black and white theme, but all that is actually doing is stopping/delaying the club from moving on in the right direction.
Yeah you're right mate, staying at home and doing absolutely fuck all will work much better. Ffs.
Well personally I don't see that going out and buying a new black and white scarf will help much either!
Or I know...why don't I buy a black and white scarf, let off a balloon, have my photo taken in the car park by the CEO and then spend £20 on matchday.......that'll show 'em I mean business!
Look, there are thousands of Charlton fans....some have a suffragette's attitude, some are more like suffragists.....both respected and with their own ideas of how to achieve their end goal. The only difference is that 100 or so years later, we only remember one of them.....the one that actually achieved that goal.
What about if you stayed at home but wore a black and white scarf
So after tonight's meeting we've established that the CEO couldn't give a shit about the fans. KL is highly likely to get the job permanently, Murray has sold his soul to the Belgians and we've got some pretty in-loyal fans......so in response, the plan is to have another totally pointless demonstration in the car park before the game? Why?
The TV cameras won't focus on that. It's not something of interest to others watching the game on TV. The cameras will pick up more of the West Stand than any other part of the ground, but it means nothing? Not everyone can sit in the west stand?bsky cameras are designed so as not to pick up a lot of crowd noise. Anyone watching will probably not even realise the fans are 'protesting'!
I'm sorry but I still think this lot will only listen if fans boycott games. An empty stadium will be far more noticeable on TV. It will also hit RD and KM where it hurts. A few banners here and there will have no effect. Another 20 minute protest in the car park will have no effect. Chanting a few songs, flying a plane, none of these will have any effect!
I'm sorry but I'm fed up of hearing about 'supporting the team not the regime' etc. perhaps the team need to understand that if it wasn't for the fans they wouldn't be getting paid. Perhaps they will understand the fan's frustrations are with the club, not the team. Perhaps they will then put pressure on the club to do something about it?
It's time to get tough. Not pussy foot around and be all gentlemanly about this. Not one fan should go to the Ipswich game. An empty ground on TV cannot be ignored. A protest in the car park, a few songs, a few banners here and there can be!
Also, KM showed her contempt for protests by brazenly taking photo on her phone. That's the level of seriousness she knew they'd have in the longer term. Well organized but minimal impact.
Let's see her take a photo of empty blocks with dotted orange stewards....
How dare she take photos to potentially send onto hmm... i don't know Roland...
In light of the fact too many people seem to think disrupting the game is a no no, even though it would without doubt be noticed and discussed by the media etc, I think the next best options are either:
- A clear and well-organised walk-out after x amount of minutes, stay on the concourse then return 10mins later to whatever chants people think are most effective; or
- A protest like the one in the West Stand Car Park, BUT IN THE GROUND, after the game has finished. All those not intereted will have left and all those who do care can congregate in a certain (lower tier) stand and sing/shout/hold up banners etc. Sky and other media will still be around and pick up on it i'm sure, as will everyone in the Lounges. Plus the singing will be helped by the acoustics compared to outside.
I prefer the 2nd option as the first one will be performed by people spread out in all three stands and thus may lack the desired visual affect.
Ideas like turning up x minutes after the game has started just won't be noticed in a ground as sparse as ours these days.
And turning our back on play, or being silent, again just won't be noticed i'm afriad.
So after tonight's meeting we've established that the CEO couldn't give a shit about the fans. KL is highly likely to get the job permanently, Murray has sold his soul to the Belgians and we've got some pretty in-loyal fans......so in response, the plan is to have another totally pointless demonstration in the car park before the game? Why?
The TV cameras won't focus on that. It's not something of interest to others watching the game on TV. The cameras will pick up more of the West Stand than any other part of the ground, but it means nothing? Not everyone can sit in the west stand?bsky cameras are designed so as not to pick up a lot of crowd noise. Anyone watching will probably not even realise the fans are 'protesting'!
I'm sorry but I still think this lot will only listen if fans boycott games. An empty stadium will be far more noticeable on TV. It will also hit RD and KM where it hurts. A few banners here and there will have no effect. Another 20 minute protest in the car park will have no effect. Chanting a few songs, flying a plane, none of these will have any effect!
I'm sorry but I'm fed up of hearing about 'supporting the team not the regime' etc. perhaps the team need to understand that if it wasn't for the fans they wouldn't be getting paid. Perhaps they will understand the fan's frustrations are with the club, not the team. Perhaps they will then put pressure on the club to do something about it?
It's time to get tough. Not pussy foot around and be all gentlemanly about this. Not one fan should go to the Ipswich game. An empty ground on TV cannot be ignored. A protest in the car park, a few songs, a few banners here and there can be!
Ipswich support will fill the Jimmy Seed Stand.
Ipswich have started scoring goals for fun.
We are fighting for survival and getting back into this division is a nightmare - just ask Sheffield United.
Please turn up and support the players - they have shown us what they can do - beating QPR, Hull City and a very impressive, controlled victory over the Massives.
Flood the North and West stands.....how? Most are season ticket holders. Are you suggesting people with season tickets in the Family Stand and/or East Stand, Upper West & Upper North now buy a ticket in the West Stand? They wont.
Wearing Black and White.....what difference is that going to make? No one watching the game on TV will even notice. Sky will NOT be putting their cameras on the crowd to highlight the fans attire for the game.
How is a protest in the car park more effective? What effect did the last one have? It didn't. Not one bit. The CEO couldn't have given less of a toss if she'd tried. How effective was this other than make fans think they were doing something really great for 15 mins?
Empty seats will be ignore? How can you say that? Do you not think people at home will be asking why there is no one at the ground? Do you not think the Sky pundits will have to acknowledge the empty stadium and explain to their viewers why this is? If 5000-6000 loyal (but deluded) fans turn up for the game, people at home will just think we have shit support these days. Nothing more.
Balloons on the pitch - the club will be fined as the game is on Sky. Any delay to the game will cost someone something!
For the record - I do have a season ticket. As do my 2 sons and my father. But none of us are going anymore until there is a significant change - whether that be the CEO, owner, investment, manager, I don't know. But we are not happy to accept what is going on anymore, and I believe many feel the same way. But....it WILL go on for much longer than it needs to all the while fans are still going to games, still spending money, still 'supporting' the team and not the 'regime'........
Flood the North and West stands.....how? Most are season ticket holders. Are you suggesting people with season tickets in the Family Stand and/or East Stand, Upper West & Upper North now buy a ticket in the West Stand? They wont.
Wearing Black and White.....what difference is that going to make? No one watching the game on TV will even notice. Sky will NOT be putting their cameras on the crowd to highlight the fans attire for the game.
How is a protest in the car park more effective? What effect did the last one have? It didn't. Not one bit. The CEO couldn't have given less of a toss if she'd tried. How effective was this other than make fans think they were doing something really great for 15 mins?
Empty seats will be ignore? How can you say that? Do you not think people at home will be asking why there is no one at the ground? Do you not think the Sky pundits will have to acknowledge the empty stadium and explain to their viewers why this is? If 5000-6000 loyal (but deluded) fans turn up for the game, people at home will just think we have shit support these days. Nothing more.
Balloons on the pitch - the club will be fined as the game is on Sky. Any delay to the game will cost someone something!
For the record - I do have a season ticket. As do my 2 sons and my father. But none of us are going anymore until there is a significant change - whether that be the CEO, owner, investment, manager, I don't know. But we are not happy to accept what is going on anymore, and I believe many feel the same way. But....it WILL go on for much longer than it needs to all the while fans are still going to games, still spending money, still 'supporting' the team and not the 'regime'........
Flood the North and West stands.....how? Most are season ticket holders. Are you suggesting people with season tickets in the Family Stand and/or East Stand, Upper West & Upper North now buy a ticket in the West Stand? They wont.
Wearing Black and White.....what difference is that going to make? No one watching the game on TV will even notice. Sky will NOT be putting their cameras on the crowd to highlight the fans attire for the game.
How is a protest in the car park more effective? What effect did the last one have? It didn't. Not one bit. The CEO couldn't have given less of a toss if she'd tried. How effective was this other than make fans think they were doing something really great for 15 mins?
Empty seats will be ignore? How can you say that? Do you not think people at home will be asking why there is no one at the ground? Do you not think the Sky pundits will have to acknowledge the empty stadium and explain to their viewers why this is? If 5000-6000 loyal (but deluded) fans turn up for the game, people at home will just think we have shit support these days. Nothing more.
Balloons on the pitch - the club will be fined as the game is on Sky. Any delay to the game will cost someone something!
For the record - I do have a season ticket. As do my 2 sons and my father. But none of us are going anymore until there is a significant change - whether that be the CEO, owner, investment, manager, I don't know. But we are not happy to accept what is going on anymore, and I believe many feel the same way. But....it WILL go on for much longer than it needs to all the while fans are still going to games, still spending money, still 'supporting' the team and not the 'regime'........
Flood the North and West stands.....how? Most are season ticket holders. Are you suggesting people with season tickets in the Family Stand and/or East Stand, Upper West & Upper North now buy a ticket in the West Stand? They wont.
Wearing Black and White.....what difference is that going to make? No one watching the game on TV will even notice. Sky will NOT be putting their cameras on the crowd to highlight the fans attire for the game.
How is a protest in the car park more effective? What effect did the last one have? It didn't. Not one bit. The CEO couldn't have given less of a toss if she'd tried. How effective was this other than make fans think they were doing something really great for 15 mins?
Empty seats will be ignore? How can you say that? Do you not think people at home will be asking why there is no one at the ground? Do you not think the Sky pundits will have to acknowledge the empty stadium and explain to their viewers why this is? If 5000-6000 loyal (but deluded) fans turn up for the game, people at home will just think we have shit support these days. Nothing more.
Balloons on the pitch - the club will be fined as the game is on Sky. Any delay to the game will cost someone something!
For the record - I do have a season ticket. As do my 2 sons and my father. But none of us are going anymore until there is a significant change - whether that be the CEO, owner, investment, manager, I don't know. But we are not happy to accept what is going on anymore, and I believe many feel the same way. But....it WILL go on for much longer than it needs to all the while fans are still going to games, still spending money, still 'supporting' the team and not the 'regime'........
STAYING AWAY, IS THE ONLY WAY.
Why am I deluded in going? I have paid £450 for a season ticket with two mortgages to pay. I hate what's going on and will not renew this year. I believe protests in front of the sky cameras are the best approach, you don't. Fine! You are entitled to your opinion as am I but what gives you the right to call me deluded for having my opinion and wanting to go and watch an event that I have paid for???
Calm down like you say everyone is entitled to their opinion. I think if you want to go and watch us at the moment you're deluded. Simple really. I'm entitled to think and say that and you're entitled to disagree. Glad that's sorted.
but how many peole protested last time against Sheff Wed ? 300 what percentage is that ? All you have got to go on is 50/60 people on here ? Playing devils advocate here a bit, but J Block from what I see it is only 2%. I am a bit indifferent to it all personally, so will continue to go end of.
It was more like a 1000 steve.
How do you know? There are always quite a few supporters in that area before a match!
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Colin said 300 (repeatedly)
I'm going to go with the police estimate.
We need something more visual but legal, I don't know the answer but maybe if it can be arranged for a sufficient number of fans enter the ground 10 mins late chanting and waving flags that could be black and white then that might be picked up by the cameras.
The Ipswich game is our best opportunity but a visual protest will need organising and I suggest that The Truat should get off the fence and organise it.
I wasn't counting or watching, just buying tickets while the protest was taking place. I don't have any axe to grind with protestors and could be wrong in my estimation.
It looked about 500 to me.
We would still want the Belgians out, but a protest at the Ipswich game would not be understood.
Excellent opportunity to show our grievances (if you feel that strongly) live on Sky Sports.
I think something (balloons released, non-stop chanting etc) needs to be done during the game, so that the cameras pick up on it and the commentators have to mention it.
Has anybody thought about contacting Sky to tell them about any planned protest, thus ensuring that they are aware and have to talk about it?
Don't shout me down, it's just my opinion. But unless we have something organised and well planned, it will just be a damp squib of a few half-hearted "Roland Out" shouts.
COYR
Slater Out
Murray Out
Charlton Out
Fans Out
- A clear and well-organised walk-out after x amount of minutes, stay on the concourse then return 10mins later to whatever chants people think are most effective; or
- A protest like the one in the West Stand Car Park, BUT IN THE GROUND, after the game has finished. All those not intereted will have left and all those who do care can congregate in a certain (lower tier) stand and sing/shout/hold up banners etc. Sky and other media will still be around and pick up on it i'm sure, as will everyone in the Lounges. Plus the singing will be helped by the acoustics compared to outside.
I prefer the 2nd option as the first one will be performed by people spread out in all three stands and thus may lack the desired visual affect.
Ideas like turning up x minutes after the game has started just won't be noticed in a ground as sparse as ours these days.
And turning our back on play, or being silent, again just won't be noticed i'm afriad.
Ipswich support will fill the Jimmy Seed Stand.
Ipswich have started scoring goals for fun.
We are fighting for survival and getting back into this division is a nightmare - just ask Sheffield United.
Please turn up and support the players - they have shown us what they can do - beating QPR, Hull City and a very impressive, controlled victory over the Massives.
Get behind the team - they need you/us.