Personally if I was with mates I wouldn't be bothered sitting or standing up (would do whatever suited punters around me) but those days have long gone and yesterday I was second row from the back with 4 (three young ones)kids and my wonky 7 year old was crying cos he was struggling to see as the teams came out and everyone stood up but everyone sat down and he could see by dodging about but he's crackers anyway But if everyone had stood it could have been agg because I doubt there was an easy 5 seats together for us to go and sit in near the front Because of this situation I won't be taking them to a busyish away end again , will go to a filthy northern away one where there's a few hundred in a few thousand seats so everyone can go where they want
I know this has been discussed before, but I haven't felt the need to comment on the issue until now. I was at Derby yesterday and was annoyed to find out that my tickets were in the block to the right where no one could stand because of a few near the back that insisted on sitting down. Personally I go to games, away games specifically, to support the team via singing and clapping. Both of which are physically easier to do standing up. I don't much like the type like the guy sat next to me who sit there with a radio and headphones doing nothing to create an atmosphere. Of course these people have a right to be at games and if they enjoy their day out then fine, but it frustrates me so much that they impact on my experience by not letting me stand up. I do realise that if I refused to sit down then I'd be impacting on their experience by not letting them sit. I've created a poll to try and find out what people prefer on the whole, the link to it is here: http://strawpoll.me/5229246
Is there some way the club can let us choose whether we want tickets at the back or at the front? (sitters at the front, standers at the back.) If I had rung the ticket office to book my tickets would they have let me choose?
1. I think you are a complete and utter selfish person. 2. You don't much like the type of like the guy sat next to you with a radio and headphones. Well I do he was one of only a few hundred that made the effort to attend and pay a lot of money for the privilege. 3. Are you to important that you could not have moved to one of the hundreds of empty seats where the likes of me stood. 4. I hope next time you attend an away game there are no children behind you that will have there experience ruined by looking at the back of you. May be they are not your kind of person and should be made to sit at the front
Calm down dear. Did you even read the post before concocting your mindless and incoherent response?
To be honest I can count on one hand the times I've sat in my assigned seat at an away game. Find at most away games its simply stand at the back, sit at the front. Surely that way everyone is happy too.
Yesterday I was originally going on my own, I would have gone to the back and stood. Last minute my grandad decided to come too, so we sat near the front.
Hopefully we'll soon be in a position where we can choose to sit or stand when we buy the ticket.
I know this has been discussed before, but I haven't felt the need to comment on the issue until now. I was at Derby yesterday and was annoyed to find out that my tickets were in the block to the right where no one could stand because of a few near the back that insisted on sitting down. Personally I go to games, away games specifically, to support the team via singing and clapping. Both of which are physically easier to do standing up. I don't much like the type like the guy sat next to me who sit there with a radio and headphones doing nothing to create an atmosphere. Of course these people have a right to be at games and if they enjoy their day out then fine, but it frustrates me so much that they impact on my experience by not letting me stand up. I do realise that if I refused to sit down then I'd be impacting on their experience by not letting them sit. I've created a poll to try and find out what people prefer on the whole, the link to it is here: http://strawpoll.me/5229246
Is there some way the club can let us choose whether we want tickets at the back or at the front? (sitters at the front, standers at the back.) If I had rung the ticket office to book my tickets would they have let me choose?
1. I think you are a complete and utter selfish person. 2. You don't much like the type of like the guy sat next to you with a radio and headphones. Well I do he was one of only a few hundred that made the effort to attend and pay a lot of money for the privilege. 3. Are you to important that you could not have moved to one of the hundreds of empty seats where the likes of me stood. 4. I hope next time you attend an away game there are no children behind you that will have there experience ruined by looking at the back of you. May be they are not your kind of person and should be made to sit at the front
Calm down dear. Did you even read the post before concocting your mindless and incoherent response?
Yes sorry I have calmed down, no I didn't read the post obviously sorry for my mindless and incoherent response and even sorrier for replying to a post that you have written normally ignore your posts.
I would always choose to stand at every game, creates a better atmosphere in my opinion but if we had sold out our area(unlikely) so i had to sit in my assigned seat then i would happily sit down if i had elderly fans or kids behind me who i knew would have their day spoiled by me standing, as that would just be selfish towards a fellow Charlton fan.
Hopefully within a few more seasons, the people who run our game will see sense and we will have safe standing areas so this debate can become a thing of the past.
Having to sit down at any game epically an away one is ridiculous and I would rather leave than stay if everyone sat, safe standing would be a good start but the whole 'Germany uses it' thing isn't even true they just have proper modern terraces and I much prefer those but highly doubt FA will ever do anything like this to benefit fans
Bye, enjoy the rest of the season at shitehurst park
I got sympathy for your argument and I think it could be organised in an unofficially way organised solely by the supporters, as you suggest, say standing at the back sitting further forward, however I only find it's only a problem when we sell out, which to be fair ain't that often, and you must remember the club can't condom standing.
From my point of view I can't stand for the whole game, I got two knackered knees and hips however I still enjoy the away games, but if I can't sit then how am I to get my enjoyment, the easy answer is for me not to attend when we sell out, which is what I now do.
I prefer to stand home or away, but in the recent past I have had back trouble that has made standing for even short periods incredibly painful - so I'm mindful that people don't always want to.
A bit of organisation would be good - I remember going to Palace away in the 99/00 season (1-0 to Charlton, Kitson goal, great day), when I was about 13, with my brother. Everyone in front of us (pretty much everyone around us in fact) was standing; the two people behind us were quite old and both sitting down, trying to tell others to sit. What to do? We were both short kids (both short now, tbh), we couldn't see everything when standing, sitting would have been pointless. But then there are people behind getting pissed off.
I was at Derby yesterday and I was at the back , I asked some younger lads if they could sit down because my son and his mate both who are 8 years old couldn't see even when standing , the lads to fair where as good as gold and asked if we could change seats which wasn't a problem , at away games I feel if you have young kids they should provide tickets nearer the front some clubs do this but many more should do the same .
Good post, I get this problem all the time but to be honest I don't go much anymore because of how dull it is, hardly get any proper fans about anymore, majority of English support is old people and scarfers really as you can tell by the 'you can sing sitting down' responses lol but nothing will change for a while sadly, jealous of European football and how they still have a fan culture in most countries
"Proper"? what's that then? Just define it for me can you, then I'll know whether to have the a'ole about it.
Good post, I get this problem all the time but to be honest I don't go much anymore because of how dull it is, hardly get any proper fans about anymore, majority of English support is old people and scarfers really as you can tell by the 'you can sing sitting down' responses lol but nothing will change for a while sadly, jealous of European football and how they still have a fan culture in most countries
"Proper"? what's that then? Just define it for me can you, then I'll know whether to have the a'ole about it.
You'll have a long wait. He's been banned for the 3rd time in a couple of weeks.
Yoho, just love getting told what is pwoper by kids. Really shouldn't bother any more must be something to do with having a lad who's getting quicker ad talle rthan me!
When i was a kid i went to various West Ham away games as i have as an adult and there away support is on a different planet , same as Leeds, Everton etc.
And guess what?
They all stand.
Saying all that most away games you can stand anyway. The big away games everyone seems to stand as well.
We just aren't very good at the away day thing.
West Ham, Leeds and Everton all travel better than us yeah but all three are pathetic outside of the UK
Good post, I get this problem all the time but to be honest I don't go much anymore because of how dull it is, hardly get any proper fans about anymore, majority of English support is old people and scarfers really as you can tell by the 'you can sing sitting down' responses lol but nothing will change for a while sadly, jealous of European football and how they still have a fan culture in most countries
"Proper"? what's that then? Just define it for me can you, then I'll know whether to have the a'ole about it.
You'll have a long wait. He's been banned for the 3rd time in a couple of weeks.
Standing wasn't really the issue yesterday, it was more that we sold out almost all the allocated seating area, which seemed to be quite small, so there did not appear to be many empty seats. In my group we had 3 sitters and 3 standers. The sitters managed to find seats down the front (thankfully), but the standers (3) had real trouble finding standing space such was the lack of spaces. We went up the back but a very keen steward sent us back down the stairs which was a command more than a request. Seat numbers ignored we found some standing spaces over two rows right at the front of the standing area.
I know the clubs have safety regulations to follow, but clubs really do need to be mindful that people that want to sit, shouldn't be made to take up a seat near the back of the stand. Common sense should prevail. As has already been said, some would love to stand but health can make this unmanageable.
As for passion, standing is no more a sign of passion than wearing a club shirt. My dad isn't a singer, but I always have been. He's been going for over 60 years and anyone that says he's less passionate because he doesn't stand, wear a club shirt and sing the anti Millwall/Palace songs, clearly doesn't understand what being a fan is all about.
Standing wasn't really the issue yesterday, it was more that we sold out almost all the allocated seating area, which seemed to be quite small, so there did not appear to be many empty seats. In my group we had 3 sitters and 3 standers. The sitters managed to find seats down the front (thankfully), but the standers (3) had real trouble finding standing space such was the lack of spaces. We went up the back but a very keen steward sent us back down the stairs which was a command more than a request. Seat numbers ignored we found some standing spaces over two rows right at the front of the standing area.
I know the clubs have safety regulations to follow, but clubs really do need to be mindful that people that want to sit, shouldn't be made to take up a seat near the back of the stand. Common sense should prevail. As has already been said, some would love to stand but health can make this unmanageable.
As for passion, standing is no more a sign of passion than wearing a club shirt. My dad isn't a singer, but I always have been. He's been going for over 60 years and anyone that says he's less passionate because he doesn't stand, wear a club shirt and sing the anti Millwall/Palace songs, clearly doesn't understand what being a fan is all about.
I usually find when it's busy in an away end if people near the back want to sit down there will always be people sat near the front happy to swap places with them. Quite often there will be people at the front who do want to stand but can't.
As others have said, a simple rule of thumb should be if you insist on sitting then sit as far at the front as possible and the rest will sort itself out. Seen it done in the QPR away end 2 seasons ago where a few elderly people were allowed to move to the front row and that end was sold out. If we can organise ourselves in the QPR away end we should be able to organise it anywhere.
I usually find when it's busy in an away end if people near the back want to sit down there will always be people sat near the front happy to swap places with them. Quite often there will be people at the front who do want to stand but can't.
As others have said, a simple rule of thumb should be if you insist on sitting then sit as far at the front as possible and the rest will sort itself out. Seen it done in the QPR away end 2 seasons ago where a few elderly people were allowed to move to the front row and that end was sold out. If we can organise ourselves in the QPR away end we should be able to organise it anywhere.
Personally if i have a seat then i will sit down, as i'm mindful of people around me that may not be able to stand for too long, or young children that won't see otherwise.
Also it depends on the discression of the away stewards. If it's a case of sit of where you want, then the sitting/standing debate should not be an issue as people will go to the back if they wish to stand, however if its allocated seating, then people should respect that and have consideration for people around them.
I sat in the furthest block away from the goal on saturday about ten rows up. No one stood in front and where people did stand they went to the back.
At Forest last season, it was sit where you want. We had a nine year old in our group, so sat six rows from the front, incase of people wishing to stand. Sadly some Charlton fans thought it was acceptable to stand up in the first 2 rows for the majority of the game. A case of "I'm allright jack, screw the rest of you". When i approached a steward over it, it was like i was in the wrong for asking why!
I no longer have the choice as due to ill health, can't stand for long. This is why I don't do away games now. However, I am going to Wolves and expect to be able to see the game. I would, of course, switch to sit in front of those who do want to stand if at all possible, but please remember all those who love to stand, you might not be able to one day and would you give up what you love doing because you need to sit?
When i was a kid i went to various West Ham away games as i have as an adult and there away support is on a different planet , same as Leeds, Everton etc.
And guess what?
They all stand.
Saying all that most away games you can stand anyway. The big away games everyone seems to stand as well.
We just aren't very good at the away day thing.
You are one of very few clubs that seem to have this problem. Brummie in work stands at all away games, we always tend to stand, most clubs that come to us all stand towards the back, those who want to sit go at the front.
Nobody takes notice of their row & seat numbers, you gravitate to the best place for you to enjoy the game. Very rarely are there any issues.
a few times stewards have told away fans to sit down, personally I always stand as I prefer it, a lot of home games I do because I am in back row of north upper and people are standing in front of me.
It does make me laugh when people who say they cannot stand or walk for too long decide to walk up 100 steps to the back to their allocated seat and then start moaning to everyone to sit down.
It does make me laugh when people who say they cannot stand or walk for too long decide to walk up 100 steps to the back to their allocated seat and then start moaning to everyone to sit down.
Yes, it's their fault that most stadiums were designed in the days of all-standing and before modern health & safety and accessibility guidelines were brought in. They should hang their heads in shame.
I've always wanted to know, with regards to the people plugged in with earphones and radios... what are they listening to? Surely they're not plugged into Capital Gold, rather than taking in the game.
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Find at most away games its simply stand at the back, sit at the front. Surely that way everyone is happy too.
Yesterday I was originally going on my own, I would have gone to the back and stood. Last minute my grandad decided to come too, so we sat near the front.
Hopefully we'll soon be in a position where we can choose to sit or stand when we buy the ticket.
Freak real weirdo
A bit of organisation would be good - I remember going to Palace away in the 99/00 season (1-0 to Charlton, Kitson goal, great day), when I was about 13, with my brother. Everyone in front of us (pretty much everyone around us in fact) was standing; the two people behind us were quite old and both sitting down, trying to tell others to sit.
What to do? We were both short kids (both short now, tbh), we couldn't see everything when standing, sitting would have been pointless. But then there are people behind getting pissed off.
Really shouldn't bother any more must be something to do with having a lad who's getting quicker ad talle rthan me!
I know the clubs have safety regulations to follow, but clubs really do need to be mindful that people that want to sit, shouldn't be made to take up a seat near the back of the stand. Common sense should prevail. As has already been said, some would love to stand but health can make this unmanageable.
As for passion, standing is no more a sign of passion than wearing a club shirt. My dad isn't a singer, but I always have been. He's been going for over 60 years and anyone that says he's less passionate because he doesn't stand, wear a club shirt and sing the anti Millwall/Palace songs, clearly doesn't understand what being a fan is all about.
Decent noise or the away fans having a big collection of programmes back home ?
As others have said, a simple rule of thumb should be if you insist on sitting then sit as far at the front as possible and the rest will sort itself out. Seen it done in the QPR away end 2 seasons ago where a few elderly people were allowed to move to the front row and that end was sold out. If we can organise ourselves in the QPR away end we should be able to organise it anywhere.
Also it depends on the discression of the away stewards. If it's a case of sit of where you want, then the sitting/standing debate should not be an issue as people will go to the back if they wish to stand, however if its allocated seating, then people should respect that and have consideration for people around them.
I sat in the furthest block away from the goal on saturday about ten rows up. No one stood in front and where people did stand they went to the back.
At Forest last season, it was sit where you want. We had a nine year old in our group, so sat six rows from the front, incase of people wishing to stand. Sadly some Charlton fans thought it was acceptable to stand up in the first 2 rows for the majority of the game. A case of "I'm allright jack, screw the rest of you". When i approached a steward over it, it was like i was in the wrong for asking why!
Nobody takes notice of their row & seat numbers, you gravitate to the best place for you to enjoy the game. Very rarely are there any issues.
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