Prague, coming from a (mostly West Ham) supporting family I've no love for the Hammers; but however you dress up what the trust is trying to do it just comes across as bitter. You state the fault is with those who negotiated the deal with West Ham so to help rectify that the trust think West Ham fans should pay higher ticket prices than they might. It's all done for the poor tax payer but the thrust of the argument seems to be Charlton losing future generations of fans. I doubt anyone outside Charlton voicing their support for the trust is doing it for sympathy with Charlton; or Orient for that matter. It's more than likely because no football fans want to see another club have a chance of more success than their own. The bottom line IMHO is that we need to get OUR act together, achieve promotion and become more successful, thereby attracting more fans. We haven't managed to do that too much in the last dozen years or so and in all that time West Ham have been playing at Upton Park, some of that time spent in a lower division than us. I'm not saying what's happening is fair or just, but sometimes when mistakes have been made by the powers that be being fair isn't an option, things just have to be done that can't suit everyone.
Well I for one am not happy that a financially successful commercial organisation is benefiting from so many of my tax pounds when government spending is being cut left right and centre. If I was a Newham resident I'd have even more questions to ask.
It can't be excused by 'Olympic legacy', because that same legacy could have been achieved with a more market-appropriate commercial deal that at the very least asked West Ham to submit their proceeds from the Boleyn Ground sale to the project, and pay somewhere near a market rate for the lease.
The trust seem to have ruffled a few feathers of those involved so I would suggest we let them get on with it. If they are unsuccessful they are unsuccessful. Personally, I am very concerned about Leyton Orient. West Ham was a great club, but now the bigger premiership clubs have become something else and you have to look lower for the great clubs. Leyton Orient is one of them IMO. I think what the trust and others are trying to achieve is a fairer deal for tax payers- not West Ham not having the stadium. This in turn will lessen their ability to damage other clubs by giving tickets away to nick their supporters – both current and potential. Not sure what there is to oppose unless you are a West Ham fan!
The trust seem to have ruffled a few feathers of those involved so I would suggest we let them get on with it. If they are unsuccessful they are unsuccessful. Personally, I am very concerned about Leyton Orient. West Ham was a great club, but now the bigger premiership clubs have become something else and you have to look lower for the great clubs. Leyton Orient is one of them IMO. I think what the trust and others are trying to achieve is a fairer deal for tax payers- not West Ham not having the stadium. This in turn will lessen their ability to damage other clubs by giving tickets away to nick their supporters – both current and potential. Not sure what there is to oppose unless you are a West Ham fan!
Or work for someone connected to the legacy programme...
Thanks for taking the time to reply and for the greater part,I agree with your sentiments.However, I think the projected fear of losing casual support and that of the next generation is slightly dramatic/pessimisstic.Will we lose some casual support? Perhaps.The next generation? Impossible to tell such are the vagaries involved in any club's support.
It would appear your main beef is the stunning largesse afforded West Ham by the people who gave them the deal to the detriment of the taxpayer and potentially Charlton.And there's the rub:it's a done deal.
I don't,as is obvious,know much about the machinations of this deal, but to attempt forcing West Ham into paying a more realistic price seems unfeasible if not impossible,hence my bootless errand remark.
Anyway,regardless of what I think the inevitable outcome will be,I wish the Trust and their allies the best of luck in their campaign,it would be something quite extraordinary if you pull it off.
Sure. We have come to this late. When this deal was cooked up, there wasn't a Charlton Trust.
As CAST we obviously have to focus on the issue as it affects Charlton. However, to be successful in re-opening the issue, we had to show that it wasn't just a bunch of obsessed Charlton fans. Well we've been there before. That was also what we had to do for the Valley Party campaign. I think we have successfully argued that this is also a matter for other FAPL clubs, and even clubs abroad such as Ajax, who are much less rich than West Ham and pay three times as much rent as West Ham will for a similar stadium.
I may turn out to be terribly disappointed but there seem to me to be a number of things coming together at the same time which will help us, some of which it would be unwise to share here, right now. Just please bear with us. There is a lot happening right now, but necessarily undercover.
The majority of West Ham's first team squad in Malta this evening for their Europa League tie. 5/6 first team players have stayed at home. Expect to see the likes of Valencia, Sakho, Payet and Jenkinson on Saturday with the majority being under 21 players
The majority of West Ham's first team squad in Malta this evening for their Europa League tie. 5/6 first team players have stayed at home. Expect to see the likes of Valencia, Sakho, Payet and Jenkinson on Saturday with the majority being under 21 players
A lot depends on who their subs are tonight and whether they get game time ..
Thanks for taking the time to reply and for the greater part,I agree with your sentiments.However, I think the projected fear of losing casual support and that of the next generation is slightly dramatic/pessimisstic.Will we lose some casual support? Perhaps.The next generation? Impossible to tell such are the vagaries involved in any club's support.
It would appear your main beef is the stunning largesse afforded West Ham by the people who gave them the deal to the detriment of the taxpayer and potentially Charlton.And there's the rub:it's a done deal.
I don't,as is obvious,know much about the machinations of this deal, but to attempt forcing West Ham into paying a more realistic price seems unfeasible if not impossible,hence my bootless errand remark.
Anyway,regardless of what I think the inevitable outcome will be,I wish the Trust and their allies the best of luck in their campaign,it would be something quite extraordinary if you pull it off.
Please hit your space bar after inserting a comma. Does me 'ead in, and me eyes!
Thanks for taking the time to reply and for the greater part,I agree with your sentiments.However, I think the projected fear of losing casual support and that of the next generation is slightly dramatic/pessimisstic.Will we lose some casual support? Perhaps.The next generation? Impossible to tell such are the vagaries involved in any club's support.
It would appear your main beef is the stunning largesse afforded West Ham by the people who gave them the deal to the detriment of the taxpayer and potentially Charlton.And there's the rub:it's a done deal.
I don't,as is obvious,know much about the machinations of this deal, but to attempt forcing West Ham into paying a more realistic price seems unfeasible if not impossible,hence my bootless errand remark.
Anyway,regardless of what I think the inevitable outcome will be,I wish the Trust and their allies the best of luck in their campaign,it would be something quite extraordinary if you pull it off.
Please hit your space bar after inserting a comma. Does me 'ead in, and me eyes!
You're quite right, of course. I'll promise to insert a space after a comma if you promise to use the correct number of dots in an ellipsis... ☺
I didn't say bitter fans Prague I said the trust comes across as bitter. A subtle difference maybe but a difference none the less. The crux of my point of view is that the situation we've all been left with as tax payers is not ideal, it's not right and it's not fair. But it is what it is. It's not West Hams fault it's the fault of the original decision makers which cannot change no matter how much we all wish it could. Like I say there is a "friendly" but often noisy rivalry in my family (3 West Ham supporting brothers) and in that context I've no wish for them to succeed at anything. But I just don't know what you expect of West Ham. Should they pay more than they know they have to? If the trust succeeds then great but to be honest I personally find it hard to give a toss about what any other club does or gets. I don't think it has the impact on Charlton that most do on here so I guess that's a fundamental difference of opinion that's not likely to change.
Truly staggering post, inertia rules for some folks apparently.
Thanks for taking the time to reply and for the greater part,I agree with your sentiments.However, I think the projected fear of losing casual support and that of the next generation is slightly dramatic/pessimisstic.Will we lose some casual support? Perhaps.The next generation? Impossible to tell such are the vagaries involved in any club's support.
It would appear your main beef is the stunning largesse afforded West Ham by the people who gave them the deal to the detriment of the taxpayer and potentially Charlton.And there's the rub:it's a done deal.
I don't,as is obvious,know much about the machinations of this deal, but to attempt forcing West Ham into paying a more realistic price seems unfeasible if not impossible,hence my bootless errand remark.
Anyway,regardless of what I think the inevitable outcome will be,I wish the Trust and their allies the best of luck in their campaign,it would be something quite extraordinary if you pull it off.
Please hit your space bar after inserting a comma. Does me 'ead in, and me eyes!
Please can you not insert a comma, before the word "and".
I didn't say bitter fans Prague I said the trust comes across as bitter. A subtle difference maybe but a difference none the less. The crux of my point of view is that the situation we've all been left with as tax payers is not ideal, it's not right and it's not fair. But it is what it is. It's not West Hams fault it's the fault of the original decision makers which cannot change no matter how much we all wish it could. Like I say there is a "friendly" but often noisy rivalry in my family (3 West Ham supporting brothers) and in that context I've no wish for them to succeed at anything. But I just don't know what you expect of West Ham. Should they pay more than they know they have to? If the trust succeeds then great but to be honest I personally find it hard to give a toss about what any other club does or gets. I don't think it has the impact on Charlton that most do on here so I guess that's a fundamental difference of opinion that's not likely to change.
Truly staggering post, inertia rules for some folks apparently.
Your easily staggered. Inertia doesn't rule my life thanks. I've got a different point of view than you that's all.
Thanks for taking the time to reply and for the greater part,I agree with your sentiments.However, I think the projected fear of losing casual support and that of the next generation is slightly dramatic/pessimisstic.Will we lose some casual support? Perhaps.The next generation? Impossible to tell such are the vagaries involved in any club's support.
It would appear your main beef is the stunning largesse afforded West Ham by the people who gave them the deal to the detriment of the taxpayer and potentially Charlton.And there's the rub:it's a done deal.
I don't,as is obvious,know much about the machinations of this deal, but to attempt forcing West Ham into paying a more realistic price seems unfeasible if not impossible,hence my bootless errand remark.
Anyway,regardless of what I think the inevitable outcome will be,I wish the Trust and their allies the best of luck in their campaign,it would be something quite extraordinary if you pull it off.
Please hit your space bar after inserting a comma. Does me 'ead in, and me eyes!
Please can you not insert a comma, before the word "and".
In this scenario it is perfectly acceptable as 'ead (assuming head) and eyes are separate clauses. If the sentence had been 'Does me 'ead and eyes in' then clearly this is a list of two features and the comma would have been inappropriate.
Talking of lists, this is another example of where a comma before 'and' is acceptable as long as the list is of three or more. This is known as a 'serial comma' - and example being 'head, eyes, and pedants'.
Since this thread is about West Ham.... I just saw the highlights of our 4-0 game on YouTube. The image quality is not good but if you don't have CAFCPlayer, this video's worth a look. I still remember vividly I watched this game live on TV, February 2007, eight and a half years ago. How time flies.
Since this thread is about West Ham.... I just saw the highlights of our 4-0 game on YouTube. The image quality is not good but if you don't have CAFCPlayer, this video's worth a look. I still remember vividly I watched this game live on TV, February 2007, eight and a half years ago. How time flies.
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It can't be excused by 'Olympic legacy', because that same legacy could have been achieved with a more market-appropriate commercial deal that at the very least asked West Ham to submit their proceeds from the Boleyn Ground sale to the project, and pay somewhere near a market rate for the lease.
As CAST we obviously have to focus on the issue as it affects Charlton. However, to be successful in re-opening the issue, we had to show that it wasn't just a bunch of obsessed Charlton fans. Well we've been there before. That was also what we had to do for the Valley Party campaign. I think we have successfully argued that this is also a matter for other FAPL clubs, and even clubs abroad such as Ajax, who are much less rich than West Ham and pay three times as much rent as West Ham will for a similar stadium.
I may turn out to be terribly disappointed but there seem to me to be a number of things coming together at the same time which will help us, some of which it would be unwise to share here, right now. Just please bear with us. There is a lot happening right now, but necessarily undercover.
And to all the CAST guys involved with & giving up their time for this issue.
Power to the people !
I'll promise to insert a space after a comma if you promise to use the correct number of dots in an ellipsis...
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Talking of lists, this is another example of where a comma before 'and' is acceptable as long as the list is of three or more. This is known as a 'serial comma' - and example being 'head, eyes, and pedants'.
I'll get me coat and leave, and me hat!