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Jackson " credit must go to Guy"

A (JJ): We'll try ! Credit must go to Guy Luzon. He has had us working tirelessly. And it is good because we required a lot of work. He is very structured and sure of what he wants from different players. Saturday was the first time we played how he wants us to play.
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  • What I can't understand is that Luzon has basically been in charge since the Watford game and yet Saturday was apparently the first time they played like he wants them to?

    What's that all about?
  • Cos a Footballing Style isnt like a light switch... If your used to doing a task in a job in a certain way for months and one day get asked to do it another way its gonna take a while to kick the old habit

    I get that but surely positional changes (very obvious ones like moving Cousins to CM and playing two up front) should have been implemented from day one of his tenure?
  • Interesting with whats been said since he has been there, about players being unhappy he is manager

    For the captain to say that now is s big statement and maybe Guy is winning the players around

    Anyway if Jackson is happy with GL then so am I, I have faith in our skipper
  • Don't think the back 4 had changed at all before Johnson came in on Saturday. I can just about believe it might have taken some time for things to gel in midfield and upfront, but that doesn't explain why we suddenly became incapable of defending when Guy arrived.
  • Interesting with whats been said since he has been there, about players being unhappy he is manager

    For the captain to say that now is s big statement and maybe Guy is winning the players around

    Anyway if Jackson is happy with GL then so am I, I have faith in our skipper

    Call me a cynic but I think JJ may just be saying that to take some of the pressure off Luzon and his teammates.
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  • edited February 2015
    Re flyingkiwidk -
    I get that but surely positional changes (very obvious ones like moving Cousins to CM and playing two up front) should have been implemented from day one of his tenure?

    They may be obvious to us but Luzon hasnt been here to see them, surely he is allowed time to look at the players he has available, watch them, access their strengths and weaknesses and then work out a style of play that suits them and which they can then practice in training. Hopefully he keeps it up.
  • MrLargo said:

    Don't think the back 4 had changed at all before Johnson came in on Saturday. I can just about believe it might have taken some time for things to gel in midfield and upfront, but that doesn't explain why we suddenly became incapable of defending when Guy arrived.

    We became incapable of defending before guy came in, remember Blackpool for instance
  • MrLargo said:

    Don't think the back 4 had changed at all before Johnson came in on Saturday. I can just about believe it might have taken some time for things to gel in midfield and upfront, but that doesn't explain why we suddenly became incapable of defending when Guy arrived.

    We became incapable of defending before guy came in, remember Blackpool for instance
    I think Blackpool can primarily be attributed to an inexperienced keeper having a tough time. The (lack of) marking against Norwich last week was far worse than anything we saw under Peeters.
  • edited February 2015
    MrLargo said:

    MrLargo said:

    Don't think the back 4 had changed at all before Johnson came in on Saturday. I can just about believe it might have taken some time for things to gel in midfield and upfront, but that doesn't explain why we suddenly became incapable of defending when Guy arrived.

    We became incapable of defending before guy came in, remember Blackpool for instance
    I think Blackpool can primarily be attributed to an inexperienced keeper having a tough time. The (lack of) marking against Norwich last week was far worse than anything we saw under Peeters.
    Norwich also are one of the best attacking threats in the league
  • edited February 2015
    There is nothing wrong with Jacko saying 'credit must go to Guy' when we win, just as blame and criticism must go to Guy when we don't.
    Credit could also be extended to Roland, Dudu Dahan, the Luzon on the Israeli FA, and the Israeli blogger.
    I have to fully admit I dislike Luzon, particularly because of his provenance, but he gets credit from me if we win.
  • What I can't understand is that Luzon has basically been in charge since the Watford game and yet Saturday was apparently the first time they played like he wants them to?

    What's that all about?

    Cos a Footballing Style isnt like a light switch... If your used to doing a task in a job in a certain way for months and one day get asked to do it another way its gonna take a while to kick the old habit

    Good answer...

    Interesting with whats been said since he has been there, about players being unhappy he is manager

    For the captain to say that now is s big statement and maybe Guy is winning the players around

    Anyway if Jackson is happy with GL then so am I, I have faith in our skipper

    Call me a cynic but I think JJ may just be saying that to take some of the pressure off Luzon and his teammates.
    Cynic.
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  • Halix said:

    Re flyingkiwidk -

    I get that but surely positional changes (very obvious ones like moving Cousins to CM and playing two up front) should have been implemented from day one of his tenure?

    They may be obvious to us but Luzon hasnt been here to see them, surely he is allowed time to look at the players he has available, watch them, access their strengths and weaknesses and then work out a style of play that suits them and which they can then practice in training. Hopefully he keeps it up.

    Fair comment
  • JJ is certainly angling for a coaching role, which I would welcome as I think he's been a great influence these past few years
  • There may well be truth in what JJ said. He is a good diplomat.
    The general malaise about being part of a rich man's 'plan' and the loss of identity resulting from that remains.
  • No where does the quote refer to Johnny Jackson, it just says JJ, so who can it be.....?
  • Greenie said:

    No where does the quote refer to Johnny Jackson, it just says JJ, so who can it be.....?

    Jermaine Jackson?

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  • edited February 2015
    redman said:

    why are some people so unwilling to give him the benefit of the doubt for the moment. First time Johnson available, first time he thought Tony watt was ready for 90 minutes, first time Bulot available. Only time will tell. I for one will give him the benefit of the doubt and full support.
    Little anecdote - JJ for a future CAFC manager?

    Bulot started against Norwich, out of position.

    The reason Luzon is regarded with scepticism is 1) that he is the fourth head coach in ten months, 2) the botched presentation of his appointment by Katrien Meire, 3) he was already on the payroll, therefore appointing him had the advantage of saving money which may have been a key factor and 4) his cv is open to interpretation. If we win matches he will be accepted, if we get relegated he won't. But either way it's hard to see him becoming the next Alex Ferguson, a rod crafted for his back by Ms Meire herself.
  • Hex said:

    In front of 200+ people, with the CEO and Chairman sitting next to him, what do you expect him to say ?

    Agree, he is hardly going to lay into the coach in that environment. Experience suggests never listen to players' public pronouncements (at any club) as thet will say what they are told to say (by clubs, agents etc) and even after they have moved on, quite often what they say then is self-justification or score settling.
  • What I can't understand is that Luzon has basically been in charge since the Watford game and yet Saturday was apparently the first time they played like he wants them to?

    What's that all about?

    I think we are playing a different way to the way Peeters had us set up. Defence pushing higher and playing it forwards far more / faster. Helps when the four attacking players are all playing well but the point is that we are not playing a u shaped set of passes followed by a hopeful long diagonal ball by Bikey.

    Cousins going central is facilitated by Bulot playing 90 minutes on the left. He has been with us since October (?) but hardly played.

    Luzon is making the most of what we have available but one win is too early to make any kinda call. I look forward to the Wigan game - if it was a Saturday I'd be there!

    As for Luzon's introduction to CAFC? It could have been presented as a decisive appointment made as a consequence of an appalling run that saw us fall from 7th to 18th.

    It wasn't! That has been covered already but it suggests to me that we need a stronger board for the challenges of re establishing CAFC necessitate more gravitas, more experience and more ability to read situations / deliver a credible narrative.
  • Footballers get their managers sacked out from underneath them all the time. They just get on with it. Maybe they are pleased to be playing a more attacking style with two up front rather than the previous Peeters' tactic of conceding possession, one up front and counter attack, which didn't produce many goals and left them under pressure for large parts of a game. Regardless of the circumstances of Luzon's appointment, the change may have done everyone a favour after all.
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