I know this is only light hearted and I'm all about the bantzzzzzzzz but does everything he do have to be taken the piss out of?
No but he asked for the fans to get behind the team and we did in spades, so why after a 3-0 victory did he not acknowledge all the fans for their support, instead of skulking off the pitch down the tunnel?
I know this is only light hearted and I'm all about the bantzzzzzzzz but does everything he do have to be taken the piss out of?
No but he asked for the fans to get behind the team and we did in spades, so why after a 3-0 victory did he not acknowledge all the fans for their support, instead of skulking off the pitch down the tunnel?
I didn't know he did that but some managers don't. Mourinho does it regularly. I'm sure in his post match interviews and in the next few days he will.
I know this is only light hearted and I'm all about the bantzzzzzzzz but does everything he do have to be taken the piss out of?
No but he asked for the fans to get behind the team and we did in spades, so why after a 3-0 victory did he not acknowledge all the fans for their support, instead of skulking off the pitch down the tunnel?
He can't win really. He heads to the tunnel after the whistle and gets a response like yours. If he applauded all fans, people would accuse him of being egotistical and taking away the limelight from the players.
One thing that has always frustrated me about football, is the lack of respect for the knowledge of supporters. There is a view in the game that they/we cant know more about tactics and formations. Now it is true that some, are not too bothered with tactics etc... but some do watch games analytically and try to read what is going on. And some of these supporters have been watching football for 30/40 or even 50 plus years. Now I not saying a supporter can manage a club - there are lots of elements to master and in a good many of these, experience is important/essential, but I am sure that a lot of supporters can read a game better and are more tactically astute than many managers.
You only have to read previous posts in this forum, to see that we set up yesterday in a way we have been calling for for some time. A good manager could do worse than look at forums for ideas. There shouldn't be any shame in that. They just have to be able to work out the wheat from the chaff. However Luzon got where he did yesterday, good on him.
One thing that has always frustrated me about football, is the lack of respect for the knowledge of supporters. There is a view in the game that they/we cant know more about tactics and formations. Now it is true that some, are not too bothered with tactics etc... but some do watch games analytically and try to read what is going on. And some of these supporters have been watching football for 30/40 or even 50 plus years. Now I not saying a supporter can manage a club - there are lots of elements to master and in a good many of these, experience is important/essential, but I am sure that a lot of supporters can read a game better and are more tactically astute than many managers.
You only have to read previous posts in this forum, to see that we set up yesterday in a way we have been calling for for some time. A good manager could do worse than look at forums for ideas. There shouldn't be any shame in that. They just have to be able to work out the wheat from the chaff. However Luzon got where he did yesterday, good on him.
You should read "The Wisdom of Crowds" by James Surowiecki. A large group of people is often a better judge than a so called expert.
One thing that has always frustrated me about football, is the lack of respect for the knowledge of supporters. There is a view in the game that they/we cant know more about tactics and formations. Now it is true that some, are not too bothered with tactics etc... but some do watch games analytically and try to read what is going on. And some of these supporters have been watching football for 30/40 or even 50 plus years. Now I not saying a supporter can manage a club - there are lots of elements to master and in a good many of these, experience is important/essential, but I am sure that a lot of supporters can read a game better and are more tactically astute than many managers.
You only have to read previous posts in this forum, to see that we set up yesterday in a way we have been calling for for some time. A good manager could do worse than look at forums for ideas. There shouldn't be any shame in that. They just have to be able to work out the wheat from the chaff. However Luzon got where he did yesterday, good on him.
Not sure who's been dissing the fans knowledge or tactical awareness - must have missed something.
Much of the recent problem seems to have been with the belief and motivation of the players on the park.
I have watched a lot of Championship games over the last few years - both at Charlton and at Ipswich Town. At both clubs I have seen varying degrees of motivation issues at different times.
When the football becomes too static with reducing work rate, less movement, support, pressing, closing down, player communication and interaction, you know you have a problem. I have seen this at both clubs to varying degrees.
Just read the recent media comments of the recently released Premiership defender, Benoit Assou-Ekotto, a decent player in his prime, who described football as, 'Just a job'.
Yesterday at The Valley, from Charlton Athletic, we saw the key positives to Championship football - good work rate, good movement, good support play, excellent player communication and interaction, pressing, closing down.........
Guy Luzon would love to see his Charlton side show this commitment, urgency and, most importantly, team spirit in every Charlton performance, for sure and that is the difference between mediocrity and success.
Having two up front yesterday with a now match fit Tony Watt bringing the best out of those around him, a hungry Roger Johnson with a huge point to prove replacing a tired and overweight Andre Bikey and Stephen Henderson in between the sticks was probably the catalyst to making this happen.
Assuming he is an alright manager *ahem* head coach, fans will still find it difficult to get completely behind him as even if he performs miracles and gets us to play positions he'll still be out end of the season because that seems to be RDs thing, he'll swap coaches around within the network.
One thing that has always frustrated me about football, is the lack of respect for the knowledge of supporters. There is a view in the game that they/we cant know more about tactics and formations. Now it is true that some, are not too bothered with tactics etc... but some do watch games analytically and try to read what is going on. And some of these supporters have been watching football for 30/40 or even 50 plus years. Now I not saying a supporter can manage a club - there are lots of elements to master and in a good many of these, experience is important/essential, but I am sure that a lot of supporters can read a game better and are more tactically astute than many managers.
You only have to read previous posts in this forum, to see that we set up yesterday in a way we have been calling for for some time. A good manager could do worse than look at forums for ideas. There shouldn't be any shame in that. They just have to be able to work out the wheat from the chaff. However Luzon got where he did yesterday, good on him.
Having two up front yesterday with a now match fit Tony Watt bringing the best out of those around him, a hungry Roger Johnson with a huge point to prove replacing a tired and overweight Andre Bikey and Stephen Henderson in between the sticks was the catalyst to making this happen.
Not rocket science but In short it's the spine of the team and the base from which a certain Mr Clough used to build his sides, one of whom became two times European Champions comprising Shilton, Burns / Lloyd and Woodcock / Francis and thereafter Birtles.
Assuming he is an alright manager *ahem* head coach, fans will still find it difficult to get completely behind him as even if he performs miracles and gets us to play positions he'll still be out end of the season because that seems to be RDs thing, he'll swap coaches around within the network.
If he does well then there should be sufficient reason to keep him - time will tell!
Has it occured to anyone that yesterday was the first time that both were fit enough to start the match together and actually it was careful and good decision making from Guzon to play them both against Brentford.He could of done it earlier but would of risked injury.
Has it occured to anyone that yesterday was the first time that both were fit enough to start the match together and actually it was careful and good decision making from Guzon to play them both against Brentford.He could of done it earlier but would of risked injury.
Tell me in what industry from catering to professional football where those in the "job" or ex don't think that they know better than the average punter. Something would be seriously wrong if that were not the case. In 99.9% of times it would be true as well. Yes as fans we see what's going wrong and have our thoughts on what might be needed to make things better but I think your average pro or ex pro, coach, manager knows a damn site more than the bloke in row z.
He might demonstrate his genius, or at least perception by resigning because he has heard the chanting against him, and he also knows his job security is fragile under Roland. I would prefer he didn't clap in my direction, especially as I would wholeheartedly join in the anti Luzon chanting (unless we win), and anyway for some reason at the moment Guy Luzon makes my skin crawl. Probably only me perhaps, but what I perceive of him is basically a person alien to Charlton Athletic, and to an extent I blame that fascist Teresa May for granting him a work permit, especially after he had already worked illegally.
He might demonstrate his genius, or at least perception by resigning because he has heard the chanting against him, and he also knows his job security is fragile under Roland. I would prefer he didn't clap in my direction, especially as I would wholeheartedly join in the anti Luzon chanting (unless we win), and anyway for some reason at the moment Guy Luzon makes my skin crawl. Probably only me perhaps, but what I perceive of him is basically a person alien to Charlton Athletic, and to an extent I blame that fascist Teresa May for granting him a work permit, especially after he had already worked illegally.
Don't get this vitriol against GL at all. None of us have any clue if he's going to be any good any more than we did about every other Charlton managerial appointment in our history. He is just a football coach trying to make a living and wants to succeed for personal and professional reasons. The job he has is the job he has. I don't remember hearing he is a crook or beats up old ladies. He's the head coach and let's judge him on that when time allows. Why on earth would you say he "makes my skin crawl" quite bizarre frankly.
Search out his background, and also the YouTube videos of him, and watch him and listen to him here at Charlton. He is not, in my opinion, an honest footballing artisan making his way in the world. It is purely personal, but there is enough there in the publically available Guy Luzon to make my skin crawl, sorry it must be only me, he also makes me want to vomit too. Probably extreme and irrational in the eyes of many but I want him gone. Do you think he will be here in 12 months?
Search out his background, and also the YouTube videos of him, and watch him and listen to him here at Charlton. He is not, in my opinion, an honest footballing artisan making his way in the world. It is purely personal, but there is enough there in the publically available Guy Luzon to make my skin crawl, sorry it must be only me, he also makes me want to vomit too. Probably extreme and irrational in the eyes of many but I want him gone. Do you think he will be here in 12 months?
Seth. You are a respected CL poster and good egg. You do however go off on one quite irrationally from time to time imho. For all I know GL might be utter shite as a coach and might not be someone I would want to have a pint with. But that's my point. "Might" we don't know. He did very well at Standard until RD shot his legs away by selling 25 million euros worth of talent. Can't we just wait and see without this grotesque personal attack on the man.
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People will be falling it the "Luzon plan"
Guy Luzon is a crouching Elf.
He hates to lose, he hates to lose,
Guy Luzon always hates to lose.
He likes to win, he likes to win,
Guy Luzon always likes to win.
Congratulations on your first win in SE7, Guy.
You only have to read previous posts in this forum, to see that we set up yesterday in a way we have been calling for for some time. A good manager could do worse than look at forums for ideas. There shouldn't be any shame in that. They just have to be able to work out the wheat from the chaff. However Luzon got where he did yesterday, good on him.
Much of the recent problem seems to have been with the belief and motivation of the players on the park.
I have watched a lot of Championship games over the last few years - both at Charlton and at Ipswich Town.
At both clubs I have seen varying degrees of motivation issues at different times.
When the football becomes too static with reducing work rate, less movement, support, pressing, closing down, player communication and interaction, you know you have a problem.
I have seen this at both clubs to varying degrees.
Just read the recent media comments of the recently released Premiership defender, Benoit Assou-Ekotto, a decent player in his prime, who described football as, 'Just a job'.
Yesterday at The Valley, from Charlton Athletic, we saw the key positives to Championship football - good work rate, good movement, good support play, excellent player communication and interaction, pressing, closing down.........
Guy Luzon would love to see his Charlton side show this commitment, urgency and, most importantly, team spirit in every Charlton performance, for sure and that is the difference between mediocrity and success.
Having two up front yesterday with a now match fit Tony Watt bringing the best out of those around him, a hungry Roger Johnson with a huge point to prove replacing a tired and overweight Andre Bikey and Stephen Henderson in between the sticks was probably the catalyst to making this happen.
I would prefer he didn't clap in my direction, especially as I would wholeheartedly join in the anti Luzon chanting (unless we win), and anyway for some reason at the moment Guy Luzon makes my skin crawl. Probably only me perhaps, but what I perceive of him is basically a person alien to Charlton Athletic, and to an extent I blame that fascist Teresa May for granting him a work permit, especially after he had already worked illegally.