Spending huge sums not the answer but neither is a policy of bringing in the discards from your other clubs and expecting them to become outstanding footballers overnight
Is Roland expecting them to become outstanding Footballers overnight or are they mainly added to the Squad for depth etc...
I reckon only the fans have come out expecting outstanding Footballers every transfer
Why do people continue to salute Bournemouth with astute bargain signings. You need to look past the transfers. It's about how much (and how much higher than other teams were prepared to pay) they are spending on wages. They are spending beyond there means and that shouldn't be allowed to continue every year.
Why do people continue to salute Bournemouth with astute bargain signings. You need to look past the transfers. It's about how much (and how much higher than other teams were prepared to pay) they are spending on wages. They are spending beyond there means and that shouldn't be allowed to continue every year.
The fact that they're going for that Gray from Birmingham for £4m and wanted Callum McManaman for £5m from Wigan... Sorry but they ain't got that much money
Not only spending illegal (under FFP) amounts on playing staff, but massively under-investing in their stadium at the same time. Think how much we've spent on the valley, or other clubs have spent on new grounds/stands. Same way Fulham funded their rise from the lower divisions back in the 90s, by completely ignoring the Taylor report and outspending their competitors who were removing terracing, or having to fund whole new stadiums.
Have you been to their ground? It's a neat little stadium with three stands built as recently as 2001 and the other added in 2013. (Although that stand is of a temporary nature.) Around the ground is neat, tidy and well maintained with nice, flat, new tarmac in the car park - something we can only dream about.
Also we probably are following their lead: they had vinyl wraps depicting famous players on the walls around the stadium before we did!
Just out of interest I went through the first 11 at Bournemouth to see how much they paid for them.
Artur Boruc (Loan) Simon Francis (Free) Steve Cook 150k Elliot Ward (Free) Charlie Daniels (200k) Matt Ritchie (500k) Harry Arter (40,000) Andrew Surman (Undisclosed) Marc Pugh (100k) Kermorgant (Undisclosed) Callum Wilson (3 million)
800k on Matt Tubbs is worth mentioning too. Outrageous money for the third tier.
It's because of clubs like them that FFP has failed and the playing field will never be level.
Didn't they get about £6m for Grabban from Norwich? That covers the cost of the whole team then.
They had a fictional sponsor before any money for Grabban and Lallana. They were paying £11m per year in wages in League One, that's likely to be well over £20m now. Their wage versus turnover amounts have been ridiculous.
With smaller attendance than us, although after reading posts on CL that could change. Bournemouth show what can be achieved with sound investment in good players and management.
The Football League just announced another Bournemouth game to be shown live on Sky
I reckon our game on the last day of the season will be selected.
Oh that would be just fooking great. They can dance and sing "we sent the Charlton down" and celebrate their promotion and I have to share the train all the bloody way home with them :-(
The Football League just announced another Bournemouth game to be shown live on Sky
I reckon our game on the last day of the season will be selected.
Oh that would be just fooking great. They can dance and sing "we sent the Charlton down" and celebrate their promotion and I have to share the train all the bloody way home with them :-(
The Football League just announced another Bournemouth game to be shown live on Sky
I reckon our game on the last day of the season will be selected.
Oh that would be just fooking great. They can dance and sing "we sent the Charlton down" and celebrate their promotion and I have to share the train all the bloody way home with them :-(
Thanks to a Yann penalty
And an assist for the first by Harry Arter and Yann's after Francis is brought down by Bikey.
Bournemouth are big players now in the champ but with a small fanbase at the moment. That was fantastic business to get 3 million for Grabban(that was the trigger amount) who had a great season and replace with Callum Wilson who is 4 years younger and may go even higher in the game for the same outlay to Coventry.
so the fact that Simon Francis decided to stay instead of going to Derby shows they must be good payers.
The fee offered for Gray and macca show their intent even if they didn't quite get their men. Eddie Howe and Bournemouth are such a good fit.
I love to know how short of Howe's wage demand we were when he went to Burnley ? Sliding doors and all that.
Bournemouth are big players now in the champ but with a small fanbase at the moment. That was fantastic business to get 3 million for Grabban(that was the trigger amount) who had a great season and replace with Callum Wilson who is 4 years younger and may go even higher in the game for the same outlay to Coventry.
so the fact that Simon Francis decided to stay instead of going to Derby shows they must be good payers.
The fee offered for Gray and macca show their intent even if they didn't quite get their men. Eddie Howe and Bournemouth are such a good fit.
I love to know how short of Howe's wage demand we were when he went to Burnley ? Sliding doors and all that.
Playing devil's advocate, how long do you think Howe would have lasted under Two Chalets?
You can look at any of the top eight clubs and they all have a few things in common. They have three or four decent strikers; they have been building their squads for two or three years and they have a mix of youth players, expensive signings and loans from the FAPL.
And they've won 14 or so games.
Now RD hasn't had that long to build a squad but he did have the advantage of some decent academy players and a network scouting system plus spare players at Liege.
But why did it take so long to find a reserve keeper? And why no number 9? And why has Darren Bent played for two championship clubs this season but not us? Football is decided on thin margins but it helps to go out to bat with a decent team and bench.
If RD isn't prepared to invest then he had better sell up before he has to write off the £20m spent to date. You don't make money sitting in the bottom half of the Championship. The only way to make money is to become a yo-yo club. Sure competing at the top of the championship means bigger losses. But the prize is enormous and our players become worth more such that one sale can make a big dent in the losses.
That's how Bournemouth got through FFP for last season as they got lucky with Lallana going to Liverpool.
Good post but what if he doesn't want to make money but just re-create the club as a sustainable entity? Level us off somewhere, anywhere, doesn't matter to him, top 10 of league 1 say? ..like a successful Crewe Alexandra? His books and politics to date suggest that might be his ambition.
Just thinking aloud, but I reckon the fixed costs - principally operating from The Valley - would complicate that, e.g. business rates, safety certificate staffing requirements, traffic management and street cleaning costs. You don't really save much even by closing stands and you might well lose more in revenue than you would save.
I would think if we got relegated this season RD would be lucky to get 5,000 ST holders next year, because of the circumstances, so you could easily be looking at gates of 7,000 including away fans.
Player costs would fall, but other costs would increase as a percentage of turnover. Equally transfer receipts would potentially rise in the same way, but commercial revenue would fall even further. He might actually be better off playing behind closed doors, if that was allowed. Better not tell him, though ...
OK, so let's assume we stay around the bottom half of the Championship, and RD has no specific plan to reduce the principle operating cost, i.e.move from of sell off part of the Valley, he could possibly still maintain the club as an economically sustainable entity in the Championship, wouldn't you think, without going for promotion to the PL? (He hasn't promised us promotion has he?, or anything else of note?)
I don't think so because you'd either have to eliminate the cost of the players altogether, which would lead to relegation, or sell players every year to the value of the loss plus whatever is required to offset any decline in other income (tickets and other commercial). Bearing in mind last season's losses were net of £1.7m transfer income the gap is too big - although I appreciate he may think he can cover it with sales. But then he also thought Loic Nego should play for us at centre half.
Thanks for your thoughts AB. I think it's true to say we haven't yet seen what the 'sales policy' is yet. There have been the departures of Kermogant/Morrison/ Poyet, but these don't tell us if RD is looking to implement a 'sell for profit' or 'develop and sell' strategy, nor specifically one that bridges shortfalls in other trading income. Time will tell of course.
A thought that keeps crossing my mind of late is what M. Duchatalet's plan actually is. He must have one as I don't think someone so politically and commercially astute would be that stupid - and the fact he is pushing a total rebuild of the Academy shows he thinks there is some future in CAFC.
I have been pondering lately if relegation to League One is part of his plan. Would this enable some form of restructure to take place where the "old Charlton" goes out, more academy players and cheaper League One players come in and then a push towards promotion follows with a squad that grows and develops, ultimately ending up in a return to the Premiership.
I know that doesn't sound like a normal plan - staying in the Championship to regroup and push for the Premiership in due time (which realistically is likely to be another 2-3 seasons at a minumum) would be something more "normal". What we are seeing with chronic under-investment in a squad crying out for reinforcements proves that Roland's current plan is not based on normality as we know it.....
Eddie Howe was a brilliant manager when he only had the bare bones of a squad to work with. When he got Bournemouth up from L2 it was a miraculous achievement, often having to rely on Academy players. One Saturday he even had to phone a 16-year-old at home and tell him to bring his boots along, he was needed. He's lucky he turned us down, Roland would have sacked him for disobedience.
Bournemouth are big players now in the champ but with a small fanbase at the moment. That was fantastic business to get 3 million for Grabban(that was the trigger amount) who had a great season and replace with Callum Wilson who is 4 years younger and may go even higher in the game for the same outlay to Coventry.
so the fact that Simon Francis decided to stay instead of going to Derby shows they must be good payers.
The fee offered for Gray and macca show their intent even if they didn't quite get their men. Eddie Howe and Bournemouth are such a good fit.
I love to know how short of Howe's wage demand we were when he went to Burnley ? Sliding doors and all that.
Playing devil's advocate, how long do you think Howe would have lasted under Two Chalets?
I think he would have left before Roland took over and when Tj and Slater/Cash stopped putting money in as he had suffered that at BFC the 1st time around.
If he was still in situ then he would have lasted maybe 2 months or however long it took to sort out his contract with Roland as no way would he have put up with Roland implying who he should pick.
Bournemouth have a very wealthy Russian owner who has bankrolled them. They've still done well and Howe is a quality coach. He apparently earns more than Pardew was on at Newcastle.
Bournemouth have a very wealthy Russian owner who has bankrolled them. They've still done well and Howe is a quality coach. He apparently earns more than Pardew was on at Newcastle.
Pardew earns more at Palace than he did at Newcastle. That's why Ashley gave him an 8 year contract, Security over the longer term, not get rich quick.
Posters are pointing out that Bournemouth are over spending, but they are being supported by their owners, but I have not seen anything to indicate that they are breaching FFP. It shows the level of spending and investment to necessary to be challenging for promotion. If they get promoted, the money will easily reward them. FFP was always going to be a dead duck. Charlton need a decent owner who will invest similar to Bournemouth to challenge for the premiership. Change is always a risk but ending up a League 1 or League 2 Academy selling club as a plan B for Duchatelet (who was gullable / credulous to believe that FFP working was Plan A) is not going to ensure long term survival either.
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I reckon only the fans have come out expecting outstanding Footballers every transfer
Also we probably are following their lead: they had vinyl wraps depicting famous players on the walls around the stadium before we did!
Proof what an experienced managers can do given time
Still plenty of people at the end of a phone who could chat through what was done, what mistakes were made and how the hurdles were overcome.
They can dance and sing "we sent the Charlton down" and celebrate their promotion and I have to share the train all the bloody way home with them :-(
That was fantastic business to get 3 million for Grabban(that was the trigger amount) who had a great season and replace with Callum Wilson who is 4 years younger and may go even higher in the game for the same outlay to Coventry.
so the fact that Simon Francis decided to stay instead of going to Derby shows they must be good payers.
The fee offered for Gray and macca show their intent even if they didn't quite get their men.
Eddie Howe and Bournemouth are such a good fit.
I love to know how short of Howe's wage demand we were when he went to Burnley ? Sliding doors and all that.
I have been pondering lately if relegation to League One is part of his plan. Would this enable some form of restructure to take place where the "old Charlton" goes out, more academy players and cheaper League One players come in and then a push towards promotion follows with a squad that grows and develops, ultimately ending up in a return to the Premiership.
I know that doesn't sound like a normal plan - staying in the Championship to regroup and push for the Premiership in due time (which realistically is likely to be another 2-3 seasons at a minumum) would be something more "normal". What we are seeing with chronic under-investment in a squad crying out for reinforcements proves that Roland's current plan is not based on normality as we know it.....
stopped putting money in as he had suffered that at BFC the 1st time around.
If he was still in situ then he would have lasted maybe 2 months or however long it took to sort out his contract with Roland as no way would he have put up with Roland implying who he should pick.
That's why Ashley gave him an 8 year contract, Security over the longer term, not get rich quick.