I apologise for digging out our fans but that wasn't my original intention but if players are low on confidence ( just look at Igor) all the negativity Is far more damaging than anything else. I'm a fan, have been for 40 years and our current position is nothing unusual but if RDs way of doing things works well in the long run then perhaps brighter times lay ahead. After the low of the Watford game we have drawn two games and hopefully this is the start of an upturn in results. Having RDs wealth behind us means the spectre of going into admin/liquidation is no longer there and we can look to build for a better future. Maybe that's too rosy for some but it makes me feel better whereas all the moaning makes me sick to the pit of my stomach
There's nothing quite as unhelpful as an argument that says 'this isn't bad because something was worse once'. What a useless argument. Who cares that things were once worse, that doesn't make this situation good, does it? You're also saying you're happy yo have a wealthy owner - what good is that to us if we still get sent Network chaff? There's a couple of days left in the transfer window and if he brings in two proper strikers for a bit of money we'll be happy, but until then Roland being rich is meaningless as long as he sends the likes of Tucudean and Bulot to solve our problems.
People are worried because the team are playing crap football and there's not even an identity or a connection with the players. When you get those things together people get unsettled. Not quite sure what you think digging out the fans is going to achieve.
But like you say, judge it at the end. You let me know what 'the end' is though. Is 'the end' the end of last season when it became obvious that Network signings weren't the answer for this league? Or is it the end of the first half of the season, where it again became clear that the leftovers in the Network weren't good enough and we'd actually need to spend to get goals and points? Maybe it'll be two years down the line when we're still stubbornly making the same mistakes. Let us know, because I'm genuinely interested what you consider as the end of this project.
Well two games (unbeaten) into GLs reign sure ain't the end is it but don't let that stop the doom merchants.
Pretty sure the doom merchants cast their minds back to the sale of Kermorgant and failure to replace him, sacking of Powell, foisting of worthless Network players, rejection of Riga, loss of Poyet, lack of sufficient investment in problem areas of the squad, non-existent contact with fans, further foisting of useless Network players, replacement of Peeters with Luzon after a silly public statement, a narky Evening Standard article, failure to win in 12 league games, pitiful lack of goals, lack of squad identity and comedic inability to hold on to leads. But yeah, it's probably just the two Guy Luzon games that has got people pissed off.
So any advance on when 'the end' is?
Spot on although in fairness you also forgot the free transfer that Morrison got!
I apologise for digging out our fans but that wasn't my original intention but if players are low on confidence ( just look at Igor) all the negativity Is far more damaging than anything else. I'm a fan, have been for 40 years and our current position is nothing unusual but if RDs way of doing things works well in the long run then perhaps brighter times lay ahead. After the low of the Watford game we have drawn two games and hopefully this is the start of an upturn in results. Having RDs wealth behind us means the spectre of going into admin/liquidation is no longer there and we can look to build for a better future. Maybe that's too rosy for some but it makes me feel better whereas all the moaning makes me sick to the pit of my stomach
The ONLY difference between how it's run now and under Murray/Jiminez's mob is that RD and co. don't pretend that the fans' opinion changes a thing. So many times it's the same old names mentioned when jobs come up, people say 'their experienced' they're experienced at failing, that's why their available and out of work, and far more expensive than foreign coaches who aren't 'names.' Players who've come in from the network haven't succeeded but for gods' sake there has been some absolute dreck who've played for us long before Roland ever came in, and we've been lumbered with their wages instead of being able to pass them on to some other poor sod. Reza's wages would have been high, he didn't do it now he's not our problem, instead of rotting in the reserves making a mint without making appearances.
Roland as a person may not be the nicest, Roland as the businessman might be a cold bastard but claiming he's ruining the club in the physical sense is just not true.
At Watford the fans didn't stop singing, didn't make a jot of difference to our performance. If the players give it everything they will always get my support, when some clearly can't be arsed (particularly the senior players)then as far as I am concerned they don't.
When Jiminez and Slater came in they took advice from people within the club, sacked Parky as he was tainted with a previous managers failings (although he was doing his best with what was at his disposal) and brought in a rooky manger who was a fans favourite who was allowed to build a new team which went on to win the First Division with a record number of points and finishing ninth in the Championship the following year. RD came in and to say he underestimated the Championship is an understatement, and did not want to take advice, he knows best. So why should the fans going along with this miss management without complaining, We were fairly vocal at the end of CP's reign. I admire people like Fanny who's devotion in supporting eleven men in red shirts because it has a CAFC badge on it. I will carry on attending matches at the Valley this season and will renew my ST so please do not tell me I am not allowed to moan. The administration argument holds as much water as the argument as to whether we would have got relegated with CP in charge, who knows what would have happened.
When Jiminez and Slater came in they took advice from people within the club, sacked Parky as he was tainted with a previous managers failings (although he was doing his best with what was at his disposal) and brought in a rooky manger who was a fans favourite who was allowed to build a new team which went on to win the First Division with a record number of points and finishing ninth in the Championship the following year. RD came in and to say he underestimated the Championship is an understatement, and did not want to take advice, he knows best. So why should the fans going along with this miss management without complaining, We were fairly vocal at the end of CP's reign. I admire people like Fanny who's devotion in supporting eleven men in red shirts because it has a CAFC badge on it. I will carry on attending matches at the Valley this season and will renew my ST so please do not tell me I am not allowed to moan. The administration argument holds as much water as the argument as to whether we would have got relegated with CP in charge, who knows what would have happened.
Slater & Co also fell out big time with virtually all of those experienced advisers within the Club (most or all of whom left) but don't let facts get in the way of a good moan.
When Jiminez and Slater came in they took advice from people within the club, sacked Parky as he was tainted with a previous managers failings (although he was doing his best with what was at his disposal) and brought in a rooky manger who was a fans favourite who was allowed to build a new team which went on to win the First Division with a record number of points and finishing ninth in the Championship the following year. RD came in and to say he underestimated the Championship is an understatement, and did not want to take advice, he knows best. So why should the fans going along with this miss management without complaining, We were fairly vocal at the end of CP's reign. I admire people like Fanny who's devotion in supporting eleven men in red shirts because it has a CAFC badge on it. I will carry on attending matches at the Valley this season and will renew my ST so please do not tell me I am not allowed to moan. The administration argument holds as much water as the argument as to whether we would have got relegated with CP in charge, who knows what would have happened.
Slater & Co also fell out big time with virtually all of those experienced advisers within the Club (most or all of whom left) but don't let facts get in the way of a good moan.
When Jiminez and Slater came in they took advice from people within the club, sacked Parky as he was tainted with a previous managers failings (although he was doing his best with what was at his disposal) and brought in a rooky manger who was a fans favourite who was allowed to build a new team which went on to win the First Division with a record number of points and finishing ninth in the Championship the following year. RD came in and to say he underestimated the Championship is an understatement, and did not want to take advice, he knows best. So why should the fans going along with this miss management without complaining, We were fairly vocal at the end of CP's reign. I admire people like Fanny who's devotion in supporting eleven men in red shirts because it has a CAFC badge on it. I will carry on attending matches at the Valley this season and will renew my ST so please do not tell me I am not allowed to moan. The administration argument holds as much water as the argument as to whether we would have got relegated with CP in charge, who knows what would have happened.
Slater & Co also fell out big time with virtually all of those experienced advisers within the Club (most or all of whom left) but don't let facts get in the way of a good moan.
Yes but they did listen to them originally.
yeah, when it was some one else's money they were spending. As soon as they had to dip into their own pockets they stopped paying small businesses etc.
Dansk... It's interesting how your adaptation of the Jiminez/slater period ends with the lg1 success and yet you give RD no credit for making the managerial change that saved us from relegation. Yet another example of selective memory.
As I said wheres the proof we would have got relegated. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. We also ended ninth in the Championship during their era as I stated. We all know what happened when the money man pulled out. RD has the money, even a school boy (and there are many on here) can see we need a proven striker so why does he not buy one?
I agree and hopefully one will arrive tomorrow. The one bad decision RD has made and makes no sense was the sale and subsequent non replacement of Yann. A big man upfront and a creative midfielder please
Positives: we are solvent, we have a good pitch, the stadium has been spruced up, we signed 2 or 3 good players, we have an apparent commitment to investing in training facilities and the academy.
Negatives: everything else, especially the head coach appointments fiasco, the letting go of Yann, the shit player signings, the dog shit tactics and complete lack of attractive attacking football.
Question: if Harris had made an equivalent offer to RDs to buy Charlton, which would have given us an equal degree of solvency, what would you have preferred?
a) Harris if part of the deal was a move to a new stadium on the peninsular, or
b) Roland and his weird football puppet show played out at the Valley?
I have to say, and I never thought I would, that if Harris appointed a proper DoF or manager, made a decent transfer and wage budget available to enable us to compete, and engaged properly with the supporters, I'd take him over Roly, even if it meant losing the Valley. Which would break my heart - but Roland Is doing that to us anyway.
I think most of us could accept what Roland is doing, to a degree, if we understood it better and could see some hope for the future. Right now, I just cant. I, like many on here, am wondering what, if anything, we can do to change the situation and hoping and praying that there is some moneyed guardian angel out there who will come and rescue us.
Dansk... It's interesting how your adaptation of the Jiminez/slater period ends with the lg1 success and yet you give RD no credit for making the managerial change that saved us from relegation. Yet another example of selective memory.
So you don't see him then not keeping that genius managerial change on after his success as a bad decision?
Dansk... It's interesting how your adaptation of the Jiminez/slater period ends with the lg1 success and yet you give RD no credit for making the managerial change that saved us from relegation. Yet another example of selective memory.
So you don't see him then not keeping that genius managerial change on after his success as a bad decision?
who knows why but it is possible that Riga was only ever a short term appointment perhaps as BP was already lined up. That decision looked like a sound one for a while but RD took action when it went tits up. That at least shows he has the ability to accept when he's wrong, just like the standard of player brought in last season, most were not good enough yet this season a better standard of player has been brought in. This is what i meant by being a work in progress andd waiting to pass judgement at the end, by which i mean we get relegated, promoted or he sells us on
I think Charlton have some of the most patient fans there are. If football players can't take a few boos at half time and full time and some at one substitution then they really need to grow a pair of balls.
Frankly if the management/players could show any realistic attacking intent the crowd would soon get behind them but I could probably count on one hand those teams fans who can fabricate atmosphere from nothing. We rarely attack, rarely shoot...where is the atmosphere going to build from?
I thought of getting a Mexican waive started yesterday it was so dull.
I think Charlton have some of the most patient fans there are. If football players can't take a few boos at half time and full time and some at one substitution then they really need to grow a pair of balls.
Frankly if the management/players could show any realistic attacking intent the crowd would soon get behind them but I could probably count on one hand those teams fans who can fabricate atmosphere from nothing. We rarely attack, rarely shoot...where is the atmosphere going to build from?
I thought of getting a Mexican waive started yesterday it was so dull.
Fair point but again confidence is key here. Confidence to pull the trigger! We lack that in the main except JBG who is always looking to cut in from the right and let one fly. As I said earlier most of our attacking falls down because we don't want to put crosses in due to the lack of s target man. This needs to be addressed tomorrow
Dansk... It's interesting how your adaptation of the Jiminez/slater period ends with the lg1 success and yet you give RD no credit for making the managerial change that saved us from relegation. Yet another example of selective memory.
So you don't see him then not keeping that genius managerial change on after his success as a bad decision?
who knows why but it is possible that Riga was only ever a short term appointment perhaps as BP was already lined up. That decision looked like a sound one for a while but RD took action when it went tits up. That at least shows he has the ability to accept when he's wrong, just like the standard of player brought in last season, most were not good enough yet this season a better standard of player has been brought in. This is what i meant by being a work in progress andd waiting to pass judgement at the end, by which i mean we get relegated, promoted or he sells us on
We are all hoping for the best as we love our club, just slowly over the last year more and more of us are coming around to the realism that the best is not coming unless RD changes a lot about his strategy for running a football club.
I think Charlton have some of the most patient fans there are. If football players can't take a few boos at half time and full time and some at one substitution then they really need to grow a pair of balls.
Frankly if the management/players could show any realistic attacking intent the crowd would soon get behind them but I could probably count on one hand those teams fans who can fabricate atmosphere from nothing. We rarely attack, rarely shoot...where is the atmosphere going to build from?
I thought of getting a Mexican waive started yesterday it was so dull.
Fair point but again confidence is key here. Confidence to pull the trigger! We lack that in the main except JBG who is always looking to cut in from the right and let one fly. As I said earlier most of our attacking falls down because we don't want to put crosses in due to the lack of s target man. This needs to be addressed tomorrow
I think Charlton have some of the most patient fans there are. If football players can't take a few boos at half time and full time and some at one substitution then they really need to grow a pair of balls.
Frankly if the management/players could show any realistic attacking intent the crowd would soon get behind them but I could probably count on one hand those teams fans who can fabricate atmosphere from nothing. We rarely attack, rarely shoot...where is the atmosphere going to build from?
I thought of getting a Mexican waive started yesterday it was so dull.
Fair point but again confidence is key here. Confidence to pull the trigger! We lack that in the main except JBG who is always looking to cut in from the right and let one fly. As I said earlier most of our attacking falls down because we don't want to put crosses in due to the lack of s target man. This needs to be addressed tomorrow
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I'm a fan, have been for 40 years and our current position is nothing unusual but if RDs way of doing things works well in the long run then perhaps brighter times lay ahead. After the low of the Watford game we have drawn two games and hopefully this is the start of an upturn in results. Having RDs wealth behind us means the spectre of going into admin/liquidation is no longer there and we can look to build for a better future.
Maybe that's too rosy for some but it makes me feel better whereas all the moaning makes me sick to the pit of my stomach
Roland as a person may not be the nicest, Roland as the businessman might be a cold bastard but claiming he's ruining the club in the physical sense is just not true.
If the players give it everything they will always get my support, when some clearly can't be arsed (particularly the senior players)then as far as I am concerned they don't.
However, if any one is blaming Igor form on negativity is idiotic. The guy has been playing unfit and has needed a rest for the whole season.
The small squad and poor other options has led to him being an ever present.
Blaming the fans is making excuses and avoiding the problem.
Negatives: everything else, especially the head coach appointments fiasco, the letting go of Yann, the shit player signings, the dog shit tactics and complete lack of attractive attacking football.
Question: if Harris had made an equivalent offer to RDs to buy Charlton, which would have given us an equal degree of solvency, what would you have preferred?
a) Harris if part of the deal was a move to a new stadium on the peninsular, or
b) Roland and his weird football puppet show played out at the Valley?
I have to say, and I never thought I would, that if Harris appointed a proper DoF or manager, made a decent transfer and wage budget available to enable us to compete, and engaged properly with the supporters, I'd take him over Roly, even if it meant losing the Valley. Which would break my heart - but Roland Is doing that to us anyway.
I think most of us could accept what Roland is doing, to a degree, if we understood it better and could see some hope for the future. Right now, I just cant. I, like many on here, am wondering what, if anything, we can do to change the situation and hoping and praying that there is some moneyed guardian angel out there who will come and rescue us.
Frankly if the management/players could show any realistic attacking intent the crowd would soon get behind them but I could probably count on one hand those teams fans who can fabricate atmosphere from nothing. We rarely attack, rarely shoot...where is the atmosphere going to build from?
I thought of getting a Mexican waive started yesterday it was so dull.