total and utter kak "the boycott worked re ShitOuts Park" ---it was the hard work and dedication of a few good people re The valley Party etc that finally got us back to The Valley.
What Northstandsteve said----ill support the club regardless of the network or division we end up in
If everyone had gone to Selhurst there would have been no return. A small part I agree which was taken up by the brilliant work of others. But boycott easential in my opinion.
Supporting the team and supporting the club are different things. You talk of supporting the team by going not the club
You are joking aren't you? The game at which the move to Selhurst was announced, ironically against Palace, attracted a crowd of 6,300. Obviously that included a fair few Nigels. I was one of those who refused to go at first, but the sparkling form of the team drew me reluctantly back. My first game at Selhurst, against Sheffield United, drew a crowd of 7,100 if I recall. So I think more or less 90% of those who went at the Valley in those days also went to Selhurst. But despite promotion we could not build on the teams success. It was the hard core who went, and the hard core who argued that only a return home would give the club a future. voice of the Valley could not be given out or sold to people who were "boycotting" . You are rewriting history.
I started supporting Charlton as Selhurst...does that make me bad?
As grateful as I am to RD for stopping us going in administration and sorting the pitch out.
I think his time is up, if he is still telling the manager who to pick even if they are not good enough, we are screwed
Would people be pacfied a bit if RD sacked KM and appointed RM CEO again? (not that RM would be able to take that roll up or have even discussed it, but could be a way of getting his £7m back sooner... You know through working for it...)
So if we can assume Roland wants to more or less pick the team himself. He has a coach for what reason?
Well I dunno, for being Churchillian, or doing drills in training, or monitoring fitness or whatever, or doing the interviews, following a weekly plan and script to the letter? I don't know, because if the coach can't pick the team the job is pretty menial and meaningless. What kind of standing do you have with players you interact with daily, if they look at you and know it isn't down to you whether they play or not?
Do we assume it is only about money, and player value, and network churn that drives Roland on? Do we assume that Roland has some kind of complex algorithm that has calculated that it will all eventually pay off in pounds shillings pence and Euros regardless? Do we assume hoovering up the network is essentially a money grab?
If Roland picks the team based on reports, statistics, what he has seen on the field, what he reckons he knows better (about Championship football), and it isn't money driven, then what drives his desire to pick the team?
Is it about a new train set, bright and shiny, to devote leisure time to in the network loft? Is it about a man, who sets up successful businesses, a political party, maths tests for new players, geometric diagrams as to the ideal throw in angle, and more, a man simply indulging an idea that he can sort out the football, or at least have a nicely diverting time trying to, with his network of new toys?
Is the message, as alluded to previously on Charlton life, that Roland is the daddy, Katrien the devoted oldest child, and they are doing what's best for us, giving us the treatment we need, and we're not old enough to understand, but we should be thanking them anyway for bothering? And then we should go to sleep because it's way past our bedtime.
i have no issue with RD (or any owner) asking why certain players are not playing or why they are playing out of position---we ask so why shouldnt the OWNER ask ? its different if he/she is demanding they PLAY.
We all understand the owner has a right to ask questions, but that cannot sensibly extend to emails instructing the manager/ head coach to play players in particular games, as it did with Powell.
Over and above that is the issue of how these questions are asked.
Fully understand why people want to believe it is just the legitmate concern of the owner asking questions, because in a normal situation that is what it would be, but it wasn't under Powell and I don't believe it was under Peeters.
For whatever reason, RD wants particular players to play and puts pressure on for that to happen. He is in no way qualified to make those decisions and it cannot work.
As grateful as I am to RD for stopping us going in administration and sorting the pitch out.
I think his time is up, if he is still telling the manager who to pick even if they are not good enough, we are screwed
Would people be pacfied a bit if RD sacked KM and appointed RM CEO again? (not that RM would be able to take that roll up or have even discussed it, but could be a way of getting his £7m back sooner... You know through working for it...)
1. he was never CEO at Charlton
2. He's already worked for that £7m by earning it from his other companies. He then put it into Charlton.
So in the space of a week we go from good riddance Bob, you are an ego maniac, crap manager and bully to nasty evil Roland and Katrien have wronged Bob.
The mood swings by some on this site are unreal.
No doubt the truth lays somewhere in a blurred middle ground that I doubt we'll ever really find.
Are we really expected to believe that Bob had no idea what sort of people he was working for when he took the job on? That he would be given a number of players and expected to get the best out of them?
Bob I have no doubt would have been well paid for his work, if he can't deal with some questions from those paying his wages, then diddums.
All I have read since the sacking is that Bob was a shit manager and had to go and that his relationship with the players was non-existant. Now people will jump to his defence in an attempt to score points on the owner.
I'm not saying that we have a perfect set up - far from it, all I'm saying is there are two sides to every story and Bob is only telling us one of them.
I don't see Roland going anywhere in the near future and ultimately we have to hope that Luzon will work as he has a better relationship with him.
A couple of non-network players, our goalkeeper back and some wins and no doubt the mood will change.
Thing is Clem that Bob is telling us the same story as Powell and as others who have left their jobs under RD elsewhere in the network. We can tell from the evidence of our own eyes that we are given players who are patently not up to the job, and I've been asking myself the same questions re the Ujpest keeper - if he's not good enough for their first team, how on earth is he good enough for ours?
Fundamentally the message we should all be hearing is - regardless of how good the manager is - the network still underestimates Charlton Athletic and the Championship, and doesn't understand that you can't use lesser parts from other machines - however compatible on paper - and expect the result to be anything but coughs and splutters. Whether this is RD, KM or a combination, who knows - but we can see it all on the pitch for ourselves.
I do think Peeters is behind Riga and Powell in his abilities to polish a turd, but it's still a turd mate.
So in the space of a week we go from good riddance Bob, you are an ego maniac, crap manager and bully to nasty evil Roland and Katrien have wronged Bob.
The mood swings by some on this site are unreal.
No doubt the truth lays somewhere in a blurred middle ground that I doubt we'll ever really find.
Are we really expected to believe that Bob had no idea what sort of people he was working for when he took the job on? That he would be given a number of players and expected to get the best out of them?
Bob I have no doubt would have been well paid for his work, if he can't deal with some questions from those paying his wages, then diddums.
All I have read since the sacking is that Bob was a shit manager and had to go and that his relationship with the players was non-existant. Now people will jump to his defence in an attempt to score points on the owner.
I'm not saying that we have a perfect set up - far from it, all I'm saying is there are two sides to every story and Bob is only telling us one of them.
I don't see Roland going anywhere in the near future and ultimately we have to hope that Luzon will work as he has a better relationship with him.
A couple of non-network players, our goalkeeper back and some wins and no doubt the mood will change.
Thing is Clem that Bob is telling us the same story as Powell and as others who have left their jobs under RD elsewhere in the network. We can tell from the evidence of our own eyes that we are given players who are patently not up to the job, and I've been asking myself the same questions re the Ujpest keeper - if he's not good enough for their first team, how on earth is he good enough for ours?
Fundamentally the message we should all be hearing is - regardless of how good the manager is - the network still underestimates Charlton Athletic and the Championship, and doesn't understand that you can't use lesser parts from other machines - however compatible on paper - and expect the result to be anything but coughs and splutters. Whether this is RD, KM or a combination, who knows - but we can see it all on the pitch for ourselves.
I do think Peeters is behind Riga and Powell in his abilities to polish a turd, but it's still a turd mate.
Perhaps Roland's argument is you can't polish a turd, but you can roll it in glitter.
total and utter kak "the boycott worked re ShitOuts Park" ---it was the hard work and dedication of a few good people re The valley Party etc that finally got us back to The Valley.
What Northstandsteve said----ill support the club regardless of the network or division we end up in
If everyone had gone to Selhurst there would have been no return. A small part I agree which was taken up by the brilliant work of others. But boycott easential in my opinion.
Supporting the team and supporting the club are different things. You talk of supporting the team by going not the club
You are joking aren't you? The game at which the move to Selhurst was announced, ironically against Palace, attracted a crowd of 6,300. Obviously that included a fair few Nigels. I was one of those who refused to go at first, but the sparkling form of the team drew me reluctantly back. My first game at Selhurst, against Sheffield United, drew a crowd of 7,100 if I recall. So I think more or less 90% of those who went at the Valley in those days also went to Selhurst. But despite promotion we could not build on the teams success. It was the hard core who went, and the hard core who argued that only a return home would give the club a future. voice of the Valley could not be given out or sold to people who were "boycotting" . You are rewriting history.
Agreed and the previous two home games drew bumper crowds of 4,178 and 4,045 respectively. And this was after the club had invested in seven new players in the summer. The fact was, very few people seemed to give much of a shit about Charlton in the years leading up to the move to Selhurst. If they had, then the club might not have moved there.
Ps: granted that it could also be argued that the club didn't give much of a shit about the supporters either....
total and utter kak "the boycott worked re ShitOuts Park" ---it was the hard work and dedication of a few good people re The valley Party etc that finally got us back to The Valley.
What Northstandsteve said----ill support the club regardless of the network or division we end up in
If everyone had gone to Selhurst there would have been no return. A small part I agree which was taken up by the brilliant work of others. But boycott easential in my opinion.
Supporting the team and supporting the club are different things. You talk of supporting the team by going not the club
You are joking aren't you? The game at which the move to Selhurst was announced, ironically against Palace, attracted a crowd of 6,300. Obviously that included a fair few Nigels. I was one of those who refused to go at first, but the sparkling form of the team drew me reluctantly back. My first game at Selhurst, against Sheffield United, drew a crowd of 7,100 if I recall. So I think more or less 90% of those who went at the Valley in those days also went to Selhurst. But despite promotion we could not build on the teams success. It was the hard core who went, and the hard core who argued that only a return home would give the club a future. voice of the Valley could not be given out or sold to people who were "boycotting" . You are rewriting history.
I started supporting Charlton as Selhurst...does that make me bad?
No...it makes you good. I've met one or two who started following Charlton in those days including a couple of Palace fans who used to go to our games as well as there's.
Basically. I've come to the conclusion that RD really doesn't care about Charlton at all.
His only care is that he can make money out of Charlton or break even at worst.
He clearly does not wish to invest large sums in players & therefore promotion is not an option.
His plan is to bring in network players, ensure that they play & in doing so increase their value (as having played in the English Championship adds value to a player who has only played in say Serbia).
It appears to matter not, what level the players are at. If he can play them, he can sell them for more than he paid.
We are basically just a charity shop window.
Therefore, he presumably does not particularly want the old guard playing, the likes of Morrison & Wilson, as they would be less likely to be sold on to Romania, Serbia etc.
The reason he wanted Luzon, is because Luzon will go along with this.
Presumably, Peeters, thought he could change the thinking of RD.
I can't see the plan working for RD & I can't see it ever working for Charlton.
If the plan was amended, then maybe it could work.
Get in decent players, who are actually worth £1M and sell them for more.
But he needs to be getting in better players and he's shown that he is not willing to do so thus far.
I'll always support Charlton & always be there, but it's all looking like we're only heading in one direction and that is not up.
having met Rolland i have no doubt that he has our best interest at heart - people don't seem to realize how fucked we were before he bought us.
If im wrong then at least he gave us a few extra years to watch Charlton.
I think Riga would have struggled this season and i think Bob was shit.
The recruitment is a sham and the whole SL thing is a joke, but the FACT is we have no money for some of the players we have in our squad, if it wasn't for Rolland passing wealth into Charlton we would be proper fucked!
what he has done for the club off pitch has been Great IMO and on the field will follow when we get the right man in charge - i don't think he or katrien think luzon is the guy - but they know what they are doing.
I agree in that I don't think M.Duchatelet wants CAFC to fail but he is clearly trying to succeed on a budget.
Riga had a better chance of succeeding because of what he achieved in 16 games with what was a poor squad, mostly out of contract.
Peeters was a mistake.
Network signings are fine as long as they are good enough AND the obvious gaps are plugged using the open market of loans and transfers.
I think he is learning another lesson about the Championship in that it is 46 games and there are no easy ones. Tell you what though, winning games makes you less tired! Peeters might want to think about that before spouting off.
I read an interesting article that said the RD had already discussed the Charlton manager role with the present Belguim international manager when and if we get to the perm It looks like he as certain managers for certain roles
There is more chance of me looking like Terry from Brookside with an eighties perm, than Charlton getting to Premiership with M.Roly as owner.
having met Rolland i have no doubt that he has our best interest at heart - people don't seem to realize how fucked we were before he bought us.
If im wrong then at least he gave us a few extra years to watch Charlton.
I think Riga would have struggled this season and i think Bob was shit.
The recruitment is a sham and the whole SL thing is a joke, but the FACT is we have no money for some of the players we have in our squad, if it wasn't for Rolland passing wealth into Charlton we would be proper fucked!
what he has done for the club off pitch has been Great IMO and on the field will follow when we get the right man in charge - i don't think he or katrien think luzon is the guy - but they know what they are doing.
I agree in that I don't think M.Duchatelet wants CAFC to fail but he is clearly trying to succeed on a budget.
Riga had a better chance of succeeding because of what he achieved in 16 games with what was a poor squad, mostly out of contract.
Peeters was a mistake.
Network signings are fine as long as they are good enough AND the obvious gaps are plugged using the open market of loans and transfers.
I think he is learning another lesson about the Championship in that it is 46 games and there are no easy ones. Tell you what though, winning games makes you less tired! Peeters might want to think about that before spouting off.
I read an interesting article that said the RD had already discussed the Charlton manager role with the present Belguim international manager when and if we get to the perm It looks like he as certain managers for certain roles
There is more chance of me looking like Terry from Brookside with an eighties perm, than Charlton getting to Premiership with M.Roly as owner.
Basically. I've come to the conclusion that RD really doesn't care about Charlton at all. His only care is that he can make money out of Charlton or break even at worst.
He clearly does not wish to invest large sums in players & therefore promotion is not an option.
His plan is to bring in network players, ensure that they play & in doing so increase their value (as having played in the English Championship adds value to a player who has only played in say Serbia).
It appears to matter not, what level the players are at. If he can play them, he can sell them for more than he paid.
We are basically just a charity shop window.
Therefore, he presumably does not particularly want the old guard playing, the likes of Morrison & Wilson, as they would be less likely to be sold on to Romania, Serbia etc.
The reason he wanted Luzon, is because Luzon will go along with this.
Presumably, Peeters, thought he could change the thinking of RD.
I can't see the plan can working for RD & I can't see it ever working for Charlton.
If the plan was amended, then maybe it could work.
Get in decent players, who are actually worth £1M and sell them for more.
But he needs to be getting in better players and he's shown that he is not willing to do so thus far.
I'll always support Charlton & always be there, but it's all looking like we're only heading in one direction and that is not up.
Bang on. RD has bought us so that he can make money from player sales. Those player sales don't necessarily have to go back into the side as promotion, whilst highly lucrative, won't turn Roland into a rich man - he already is a rich man.
We're basically just a club which is now functioning to help one person's bank account - there is very little in it for the rest of us who support a lower league side for the reasons that we do.
Basically. I've come to the conclusion that RD really doesn't care about Charlton at all. His only care is that he can make money out of Charlton or break even at worst.
He clearly does not wish to invest large sums in players & therefore promotion is not an option.
His plan is to bring in network players, ensure that they play & in doing so increase their value (as having played in the English Championship adds value to a player who has only played in say Serbia).
It appears to matter not, what level the players are at. If he can play them, he can sell them for more than he paid.
We are basically just a charity shop window.
Therefore, he presumably does not particularly want the old guard playing, the likes of Morrison & Wilson, as they would be less likely to be sold on to Romania, Serbia etc.
The reason he wanted Luzon, is because Luzon will go along with this.
Presumably, Peeters, thought he could change the thinking of RD.
I can't see the plan can working for RD & I can't see it ever working for Charlton.
If the plan was amended, then maybe it could work.
Get in decent players, who are actually worth £1M and sell them for more.
But he needs to be getting in better players and he's shown that he is not willing to do so thus far.
I'll always support Charlton & always be there, but it's all looking like we're only heading in one direction and that is not up.
As grateful as I am to RD for stopping us going in administration and sorting the pitch out.
I think his time is up, if he is still telling the manager who to pick even if they are not good enough, we are screwed
Would people be pacfied a bit if RD sacked KM and appointed RM CEO again? (not that RM would be able to take that roll up or have even discussed it, but could be a way of getting his £7m back sooner... You know through working for it...)
1. he was never CEO at Charlton
2. He's already worked for that £7m by earning it from his other companies. He then put it into Charlton.
1. That'll learn me for not checking my facts on RM!
2. He needs to re-earn it now... it's a bit like a computer game with no save point. You lose, you have to start over.
"The Saturday after the game (Brighton) I went to the press and I had a missed call from the chairman, the chairman said 'the ball is not rolling for at this moment, we need to stay calm and focus on the next week - if Chris Solly hits the target it's 1-0, it's one set piece that cost us etc" BP
Basically. I've come to the conclusion that RD really doesn't care about Charlton at all. His only care is that he can make money out of Charlton or break even at worst.
He clearly does not wish to invest large sums in players & therefore promotion is not an option.
His plan is to bring in network players, ensure that they play & in doing so increase their value (as having played in the English Championship adds value to a player who has only played in say Serbia).
It appears to matter not, what level the players are at. If he can play them, he can sell them for more than he paid.
We are basically just a charity shop window.
Therefore, he presumably does not particularly want the old guard playing, the likes of Morrison & Wilson, as they would be less likely to be sold on to Romania, Serbia etc.
The reason he wanted Luzon, is because Luzon will go along with this.
Presumably, Peeters, thought he could change the thinking of RD.
I can't see the plan can working for RD & I can't see it ever working for Charlton.
If the plan was amended, then maybe it could work.
Get in decent players, who are actually worth £1M and sell them for more.
But he needs to be getting in better players and he's shown that he is not willing to do so thus far.
I'll always support Charlton & always be there, but it's all looking like we're only heading in one direction and that is not up.
Thank you CE, you have put down in a much better way my thoughts and fears.
There were more flags than a posting on Charlton Life by PL54
Oi
I have only picked up on the last page of the 150 unread posts on here. Are we now working on the belief (or assumption) that RD selected the team for BP ?
What is Current thinking on BP slagging players off and fighting?
Kart racing? Quite a risk for people who make a living with their legs.
"The Saturday after the game (Brighton) I went to the press and I had a missed call from the chairman, the chairman said 'the ball is not rolling for at this moment, we need to stay calm and focus on the next week - if Chris Solly hits the target it's 1-0, it's one set piece that cost us etc" BP
Maybe he is actually watching games streamed live
Well if he is, get some bonus points with the fans and give us the link. I'm in the market for one tomorrow. Come on Rolando, do what's right son
Reading between the lines and if I am wrong then please highlight:
BP was sacked for crimes against the network by not using RD players well enough and the sacking was hidden under the excuse of the bad form we were in.
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Well I dunno, for being Churchillian, or doing drills in training, or monitoring fitness or whatever, or doing the interviews, following a weekly plan and script to the letter? I don't know, because if the coach can't pick the team the job is pretty menial and meaningless. What kind of standing do you have with players you interact with daily, if they look at you and know it isn't down to you whether they play or not?
Do we assume it is only about money, and player value, and network churn that drives Roland on? Do we assume that Roland has some kind of complex algorithm that has calculated that it will all eventually pay off in pounds shillings pence and Euros regardless? Do we assume hoovering up the network is essentially a money grab?
If Roland picks the team based on reports, statistics, what he has seen on the field, what he reckons he knows better (about Championship football), and it isn't money driven, then what drives his desire to pick the team?
Is it about a new train set, bright and shiny, to devote leisure time to in the network loft? Is it about a man, who sets up successful businesses, a political party, maths tests for new players, geometric diagrams as to the ideal throw in angle, and more, a man simply indulging an idea that he can sort out the football, or at least have a nicely diverting time trying to, with his network of new toys?
Is the message, as alluded to previously on Charlton life, that Roland is the daddy, Katrien the devoted oldest child, and they are doing what's best for us, giving us the treatment we need, and we're not old enough to understand, but we should be thanking them anyway for bothering? And then we should go to sleep because it's way past our bedtime.
Over and above that is the issue of how these questions are asked.
Fully understand why people want to believe it is just the legitmate concern of the owner asking questions, because in a normal situation that is what it would be, but it wasn't under Powell and I don't believe it was under Peeters.
For whatever reason, RD wants particular players to play and puts pressure on for that to happen. He is in no way qualified to make those decisions and it cannot work.
2. He's already worked for that £7m by earning it from his other companies. He then put it into Charlton.
Fundamentally the message we should all be hearing is - regardless of how good the manager is - the network still underestimates Charlton Athletic and the Championship, and doesn't understand that you can't use lesser parts from other machines - however compatible on paper - and expect the result to be anything but coughs and splutters. Whether this is RD, KM or a combination, who knows - but we can see it all on the pitch for ourselves.
I do think Peeters is behind Riga and Powell in his abilities to polish a turd, but it's still a turd mate.
Ps: granted that it could also be argued that the club didn't give much of a shit about the supporters either....
Some started on the right who should have been on the left,
Some started at the front of the grid who should have been at the back.
There was a mass pile up and everyone blamed the coach.
There were more flags than a posting on Charlton Life by PL54
His only care is that he can make money out of Charlton or break even at worst.
He clearly does not wish to invest large sums in players & therefore promotion is not an option.
His plan is to bring in network players, ensure that they play & in doing so increase their value (as having played in the English Championship adds value to a player who has only played in say Serbia).
It appears to matter not, what level the players are at. If he can play them, he can sell them for more than he paid.
We are basically just a charity shop window.
Therefore, he presumably does not particularly want the old guard playing, the likes of Morrison & Wilson, as they would be less likely to be sold on to Romania, Serbia etc.
The reason he wanted Luzon, is because Luzon will go along with this.
Presumably, Peeters, thought he could change the thinking of RD.
I can't see the plan working for RD & I can't see it ever working for Charlton.
If the plan was amended, then maybe it could work.
Get in decent players, who are actually worth £1M and sell them for more.
But he needs to be getting in better players and he's shown that he is not willing to do so thus far.
I'll always support Charlton & always be there, but it's all looking like we're only heading in one direction and that is not up.
We're basically just a club which is now functioning to help one person's bank account - there is very little in it for the rest of us who support a lower league side for the reasons that we do.
2. He needs to re-earn it now... it's a bit like a computer game with no save point. You lose, you have to start over.
This is firmly tongue in cheek!
"The Saturday after the game (Brighton) I went to the press and I had a missed call from the chairman, the chairman said 'the ball is not rolling for at this moment, we need to stay calm and focus on the next week - if Chris Solly hits the target it's 1-0, it's one set piece that cost us etc" BP
Maybe he is actually watching games streamed live
Sorry, too much time on my hands today............
I have only picked up on the last page of the 150 unread posts on here. Are we now working on the belief (or assumption) that RD selected the team for BP ?
What is Current thinking on BP slagging players off and fighting?
Kart racing? Quite a risk for people who make a living with their legs.