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  • MrLargo said:

    MrLargo said:

    After 10 games was anyone questioning it? Maybe not. But after 25 was anyone questioning it? Yes and Roland sacked him.

    As said above, Igor and Gudmundsson weren't from the network.

    Powell, 3 seasons, 1 promotion, one of the highest win percentages of any Charlton manager.

    Cheers for the new pitch though Roland, you can have that one.

    Powell - You forgot to mention the relegation if he did stay though.

    Cheers Roland for - Making the Valley look good again, a decent pitch, Bringing in Riga to keep us up, Splashing a lot of cash on Igor, Bikey,TBH, and Gudmudsson, Training Ground Plans, Making sure the club don't go into Admin and fold,

    I cannot believe how many times this crap about the new pitch has been rolled out! The pitch was beyond help this time last year, whoever bought the club would have had to replace it - it's not like Roland's come along and thought "I think I'll treat these long suffering supporters to some nice new grass to look at", he had absolutely no choice in the matter.

    As for the rest of your nonsensical thank you list, here's a few observations -

    Making the Valley look good again - is it just me who goes to The Valley to watch the football?! Seems to be a lot of people on here who's primary reason for attending is so that they can spend the afternoon licking their shiny new plastic seat.

    Splashing a lot of cash on Igor and Gudmundsson - yep granted. But unfortunately he's not invested in any back up for Igor, so he's been having to play with an injury for about 3 months and he's now a shadow of the player who started the season as a consequence.

    Splashing a lot of cash on Bikey and Ben Haim - Bikey: Free transfer. Tal Ben Haim: Free transfer from within the network, under contract at Liege so Roland was paying his wages this season whether he signed for Charlton or not.

    Training Ground Plans - they're just plans!

    Realising there is a problem and dealing with it this season - he created the problem, Peeter's was his choice. And the main problem, that he still hasn't noticed or done anything about, is that the squad he has provided does not have anything like the necessary depth to compete in the Championship, hence we've not won for ages, and we keep having to field players in key positions who just aren't ready for regular first team football yet.

    Righto

    So whats your best case scenario from February last year then?

    Roman getting bored at Chelsea?

    Honestly Im interested

    Just as I can't categorically say that there WERE other parties interested in buying the club, neither can you say that their definitely WEREN'T. We do know that the American bloke Josh Harris took a serious interest in buying the club.

    So my best scenario would have been for someone else to buy the club and to run it with at least a little bit of respect for its history, and its supporters.
    What has he done that goes against our history?
  • These posts are all proving my point. No one is massively supporting RD saying that he is the saviour of Charlton, merely we're acknowledging that actually he has come in, spent money, and we probably look better than we were last season, certainly at this point in the season. No one knows any more than that.

    Whereas all the anti-RD people are throwing out arguments like he has destroyed the club. I fail to see anything in anyone's points to suggest that he has done anything that bad.

    All very strange...
  • edited January 2015

    These posts are all proving my point. No one is massively supporting RD saying that he is the saviour of Charlton, merely we're acknowledging that actually he has come in, spent money, and we probably look better than we were last season, certainly at this point in the season. No one knows any more than that.

    Whereas all the anti-RD people are throwing out arguments like he has destroyed the club. I fail to see anything in anyone's points to suggest that he has done anything that bad.

    All very strange...

    Who are these people? "all the anti-RD people"?

    There is a whole spectrum of views on here from "What's not to like" fawning over everything RD does to "RD is killing the club I love" but most people are somewhere in the middle.

    Most people see both the good and bad but of course some see more of some than the other.

    You can't see anything bad even though people have pointed out a number of his errors.

    Trying to put people into boxes so you can dismiss their views doesn't help the debate. On either side.


    And yes, RD supporters have often said he is the "saviour" of the club as they say we would be in administration if the other lot were still here.

    Funnily, this was the very same defence that was made, often by the same people, of the Spiv and Chancer regime when they had run out of money and ideas.

    RD has done a lot of good IMHO

    He has also made a number of errors IMHO

    That does not make me anti- RD but neither am I blind to the constraints he has put on the club or the weakness of the model he is trying to impose. Especially now FFP has be blown out of the water.

    The crucial points for me are that of the successful transfers listed above (Igor, Bikey, JBG, TBH, Henderson) only one has come from the network (TBH) and he has vast experience of English football. Buyens is a loan and the jury is still out on him IMO.

    Against that there are many network deals that have flopped (Reza, Nego, Polish Pete, Thuram, Koc) and you could add Bulot, Astrid and Tuchadean to that list perhaps.

    The network model isn't working that well. Maybe it is early days or maybe the scouting isn't that good. If I were Roland I would be wondering why so many players his sporting director has recommended for Standard haven't worked out and why they still haven't worked out at Charlton.

    Especially when the buys such as Igor, Bikey, JGB, Henderson and the loan of Coquelin that have come from outside the network ie traditional buying players you know ,as with Bob and Igor, seems to work much better.
  • These posts are all proving my point. No one is massively supporting RD saying that he is the saviour of Charlton, merely we're acknowledging that actually he has come in, spent money, and we probably look better than we were last season, certainly at this point in the season. No one knows any more than that.

    Whereas all the anti-RD people are throwing out arguments like he has destroyed the club. I fail to see anything in anyone's points to suggest that he has done anything that bad.

    All very strange...

    Who are these people? "all the anti-RD people"?

    There is a whole spectrum of views on here from "What's not to like" fawning over everything RD does to "RD is killing the club I love" but most people are somewhere in the middle.

    Most people see both the good and bad but of course some see more of some than the other.

    You can't see anything bad even though people have pointed out a number of his errors.

    Trying to put people into boxes so you can dismiss their views doesn't help the debate. On either side.


    And yes, RD supporters have often said he is the "saviour" of the club as they say we would be in administration if the other lot were still here.

    Funnily, this was the very same defence that was made, often by the same people, of the Spiv and Chancer regime when they had run out of money and ideas.

    RD has done a lot of good IMHO

    He has also made a number of errors IMHO

    That does not make me anti- RD but neither am I blind to the constraints he has put on the club or the weakness of the model he is trying to impose. Especially now FFP has be blown out of the water.

    The crucial points for me are that of the successful transfers listed above (Igor, Bikey, JBG, TBH, Henderson) only one has come from the network (TBH) and he has vast experience of English football. Buyens is a loan and the jury is still out on him IMO.

    Against that there are many network deals that have flopped (Reza, Nego, Polish Pete, Thuram, Koc) and you could add Bulot, Astrid and Tuchadean to that list perhaps.

    The network model isn't working that well. Maybe it is early days or maybe the scouting isn't that good. If I were Roland I would be wondering why so many players his sporting director has recommended for Standard haven't worked out and why they still haven't worked out at Charlton.

    Especially when the buys such as Igor, Bikey, JGB, Henderson and the loan of Coquelin that have come from outside the network ie traditional buying players you know ,as with Bob and Igor, seems to work much better.
    What are the "constraints he has put on the club" and what is the "weakness of the model he is trying to impose"? I genuinely don't know?

    And i'm highlighting the fact that a lot of people seem to be totally against RD and "the network" but again I genuinely cant understand why?

    As i stated, im not saying i believe everything he has done has been perfect, im just not sure why everyone seems to be so quick to put everything he has done down...
  • It might be just me, but do a few staunchly pro RD fans join this forum every time something a bit questionable happens?

    I'm not necessarily anti Roland, but there have been more misses than hits thus far

    Care to elaborate?

    It seems to have been something of a bumpy ride in the last year. Maybe this is just what change feels like, as the club has been through a big shift in direction.

    In terms of the playing staff, we have seen a few players who have either been not good enough or probably didn't want to be here.

    I don't think it's possible to move forward without the impression of continuity. If we are trying to recruit new players, then we need to offer them some sort of coherent vision, particularly as we are not seemingly in a position to offer attractive wages in comparison to our peers within this division.
    Any use of the term 'bumpy ride' has been trademarked by @Henry Irving and should any other lifer use such term please seek permission from him in the first instance. Failing that, please credit the great HI in any post with the use of such term.....

    You have been warned :wink:
  • Spot on CAFCFFL!

    Lets see whether at the end of January Roly has backed his new man or not!

    People keep banging on about investment, but conveniently forget we are running at a £6 mill. loss each year!
  • cabbles said:

    It might be just me, but do a few staunchly pro RD fans join this forum every time something a bit questionable happens?

    I'm not necessarily anti Roland, but there have been more misses than hits thus far

    Care to elaborate?

    It seems to have been something of a bumpy ride in the last year. Maybe this is just what change feels like, as the club has been through a big shift in direction.

    In terms of the playing staff, we have seen a few players who have either been not good enough or probably didn't want to be here.

    I don't think it's possible to move forward without the impression of continuity. If we are trying to recruit new players, then we need to offer them some sort of coherent vision, particularly as we are not seemingly in a position to offer attractive wages in comparison to our peers within this division.
    Any use of the term 'bumpy ride' has been trademarked by @Henry Irving and should any other lifer use such term please seek permission from him in the first instance. Failing that, please credit the great HI in any post with the use of such term.....

    You have been warned :wink:
    Has anyone used 'rollercoaster' yet?
  • edited January 2015

    These posts are all proving my point. No one is massively supporting RD saying that he is the saviour of Charlton, merely we're acknowledging that actually he has come in, spent money, and we probably look better than we were last season, certainly at this point in the season. No one knows any more than that.

    Whereas all the anti-RD people are throwing out arguments like he has destroyed the club. I fail to see anything in anyone's points to suggest that he has done anything that bad.

    All very strange...

    Who are these people? "all the anti-RD people"?

    There is a whole spectrum of views on here from "What's not to like" fawning over everything RD does to "RD is killing the club I love" but most people are somewhere in the middle.

    Most people see both the good and bad but of course some see more of some than the other.

    You can't see anything bad even though people have pointed out a number of his errors.

    Trying to put people into boxes so you can dismiss their views doesn't help the debate. On either side.


    And yes, RD supporters have often said he is the "saviour" of the club as they say we would be in administration if the other lot were still here.

    Funnily, this was the very same defence that was made, often by the same people, of the Spiv and Chancer regime when they had run out of money and ideas.

    RD has done a lot of good IMHO

    He has also made a number of errors IMHO

    That does not make me anti- RD but neither am I blind to the constraints he has put on the club or the weakness of the model he is trying to impose. Especially now FFP has be blown out of the water.

    The crucial points for me are that of the successful transfers listed above (Igor, Bikey, JBG, TBH, Henderson) only one has come from the network (TBH) and he has vast experience of English football. Buyens is a loan and the jury is still out on him IMO.

    Against that there are many network deals that have flopped (Reza, Nego, Polish Pete, Thuram, Koc) and you could add Bulot, Astrid and Tuchadean to that list perhaps.

    The network model isn't working that well. Maybe it is early days or maybe the scouting isn't that good. If I were Roland I would be wondering why so many players his sporting director has recommended for Standard haven't worked out and why they still haven't worked out at Charlton.

    Especially when the buys such as Igor, Bikey, JGB, Henderson and the loan of Coquelin that have come from outside the network ie traditional buying players you know ,as with Bob and Igor, seems to work much better.
    What are the "constraints he has put on the club" and what is the "weakness of the model he is trying to impose"? I genuinely don't know?

    And i'm highlighting the fact that a lot of people seem to be totally against RD and "the network" but again I genuinely cant understand why?

    As i stated, im not saying i believe everything he has done has been perfect, im just not sure why everyone seems to be so quick to put everything he has done down...
    Constraints

    The need to have a coach not a manager

    The need for that manager (so far) to be Belgian

    The reliance of the business plan of FFP bring the expenditure of other clubs closer to our. The expected limits have now been hugely increased meaning that the constraint that we have to break even will leave us around £13m behind some other clubs in expenditure.

    The preference for network players rather than making fuller use of the much wider open market

    "i'm highlighting the fact that a lot of people seem to be totally against RD and "the network"

    Again you are saying "a lot" of people. How many? I see very few who are totally anti him. Even those criticising him the most have pointed out the self same benefits that you have listed.

    As i stated, im not saying i believe everything he has done has been perfect, im just not sure why everyone seems to be so quick to put everything he has done down...

    As said above I don't think "everyone" is

    Nor are his critics putting down "everything" he has done.

    You are making some huge, sweeping statements there which aren't backed up by the evidence
  • These posts are all proving my point. No one is massively supporting RD saying that he is the saviour of Charlton, merely we're acknowledging that actually he has come in, spent money, and we probably look better than we were last season, certainly at this point in the season. No one knows any more than that.

    Whereas all the anti-RD people are throwing out arguments like he has destroyed the club. I fail to see anything in anyone's points to suggest that he has done anything that bad.

    All very strange...

    Who are these people? "all the anti-RD people"?

    There is a whole spectrum of views on here from "What's not to like" fawning over everything RD does to "RD is killing the club I love" but most people are somewhere in the middle.

    Most people see both the good and bad but of course some see more of some than the other.

    You can't see anything bad even though people have pointed out a number of his errors.

    Trying to put people into boxes so you can dismiss their views doesn't help the debate. On either side.


    And yes, RD supporters have often said he is the "saviour" of the club as they say we would be in administration if the other lot were still here.

    Funnily, this was the very same defence that was made, often by the same people, of the Spiv and Chancer regime when they had run out of money and ideas.

    RD has done a lot of good IMHO

    He has also made a number of errors IMHO

    That does not make me anti- RD but neither am I blind to the constraints he has put on the club or the weakness of the model he is trying to impose. Especially now FFP has be blown out of the water.

    The crucial points for me are that of the successful transfers listed above (Igor, Bikey, JBG, TBH, Henderson) only one has come from the network (TBH) and he has vast experience of English football. Buyens is a loan and the jury is still out on him IMO.

    Against that there are many network deals that have flopped (Reza, Nego, Polish Pete, Thuram, Koc) and you could add Bulot, Astrid and Tuchadean to that list perhaps.

    The network model isn't working that well. Maybe it is early days or maybe the scouting isn't that good. If I were Roland I would be wondering why so many players his sporting director has recommended for Standard haven't worked out and why they still haven't worked out at Charlton.

    Especially when the buys such as Igor, Bikey, JGB, Henderson and the loan of Coquelin that have come from outside the network ie traditional buying players you know ,as with Bob and Igor, seems to work much better.
    What are the "constraints he has put on the club" and what is the "weakness of the model he is trying to impose"? I genuinely don't know?

    And i'm highlighting the fact that a lot of people seem to be totally against RD and "the network" but again I genuinely cant understand why?

    As i stated, im not saying i believe everything he has done has been perfect, im just not sure why everyone seems to be so quick to put everything he has done down...
    Constraints

    The need to have a coach not a manager

    The need for that manager (so far) to be Belgian

    The reliance of the business plan of FFP bring the expenditure of other clubs closer to our. The expected limits have now been hugely increased meaning that the constraint that we have to break even will leave us around £13m behind some other clubs in expenditure.

    The preference for network players rather than making fuller use of the much wider open market

    "i'm highlighting the fact that a lot of people seem to be totally against RD and "the network"

    Again you are saying "a lot" of people. How many? I see very few who are totally anti him. Even those criticising him the most have pointed out the self same benefits that you have listed.

    As i stated, im not saying i believe everything he has done has been perfect, im just not sure why everyone seems to be so quick to put everything he has done down...

    As said above I don't think "everyone" is

    Nor are his critics putting down "everything" he has done.

    You are making some huge, sweeping statements there which aren't backed up by the evidence
    Is it a constraint to have a coach and not a manager? Not sure I follow...

    Is there a need for the manager to be Belgian, that seems a bit strict from RD...

    So RD should spend more to catch up with other clubs expenditure and not try and balance the books?

    As others have pointed out, a number of players have come from outside the network so that point seems incorrect, plus I'll state again, why would he use his existing knowledge of players to our advantage?

    By "a lot", I mean "a few", "some", "several", I cant be exact, people on these threads have seemed to be totally against RD and what he's done.

    Not exactly sure what has been "huge" and "sweeping" there.
  • These posts are all proving my point. No one is massively supporting RD saying that he is the saviour of Charlton, merely we're acknowledging that actually he has come in, spent money, and we probably look better than we were last season, certainly at this point in the season. No one knows any more than that.

    Whereas all the anti-RD people are throwing out arguments like he has destroyed the club. I fail to see anything in anyone's points to suggest that he has done anything that bad.

    All very strange...

    Who are these people? "all the anti-RD people"?

    There is a whole spectrum of views on here from "What's not to like" fawning over everything RD does to "RD is killing the club I love" but most people are somewhere in the middle.

    Most people see both the good and bad but of course some see more of some than the other.

    You can't see anything bad even though people have pointed out a number of his errors.

    Trying to put people into boxes so you can dismiss their views doesn't help the debate. On either side.


    And yes, RD supporters have often said he is the "saviour" of the club as they say we would be in administration if the other lot were still here.

    Funnily, this was the very same defence that was made, often by the same people, of the Spiv and Chancer regime when they had run out of money and ideas.

    RD has done a lot of good IMHO

    He has also made a number of errors IMHO

    That does not make me anti- RD but neither am I blind to the constraints he has put on the club or the weakness of the model he is trying to impose. Especially now FFP has be blown out of the water.

    The crucial points for me are that of the successful transfers listed above (Igor, Bikey, JBG, TBH, Henderson) only one has come from the network (TBH) and he has vast experience of English football. Buyens is a loan and the jury is still out on him IMO.

    Against that there are many network deals that have flopped (Reza, Nego, Polish Pete, Thuram, Koc) and you could add Bulot, Astrid and Tuchadean to that list perhaps.

    The network model isn't working that well. Maybe it is early days or maybe the scouting isn't that good. If I were Roland I would be wondering why so many players his sporting director has recommended for Standard haven't worked out and why they still haven't worked out at Charlton.

    Especially when the buys such as Igor, Bikey, JGB, Henderson and the loan of Coquelin that have come from outside the network ie traditional buying players you know ,as with Bob and Igor, seems to work much better.
    What are the "constraints he has put on the club" and what is the "weakness of the model he is trying to impose"? I genuinely don't know?

    And i'm highlighting the fact that a lot of people seem to be totally against RD and "the network" but again I genuinely cant understand why?

    As i stated, im not saying i believe everything he has done has been perfect, im just not sure why everyone seems to be so quick to put everything he has done down...
    Constraints

    The need to have a coach not a manager

    The need for that manager (so far) to be Belgian

    The reliance of the business plan of FFP bring the expenditure of other clubs closer to our. The expected limits have now been hugely increased meaning that the constraint that we have to break even will leave us around £13m behind some other clubs in expenditure.

    The preference for network players rather than making fuller use of the much wider open market

    "i'm highlighting the fact that a lot of people seem to be totally against RD and "the network"

    Again you are saying "a lot" of people. How many? I see very few who are totally anti him. Even those criticising him the most have pointed out the self same benefits that you have listed.

    As i stated, im not saying i believe everything he has done has been perfect, im just not sure why everyone seems to be so quick to put everything he has done down...

    As said above I don't think "everyone" is

    Nor are his critics putting down "everything" he has done.

    You are making some huge, sweeping statements there which aren't backed up by the evidence
    Is it a constraint to have a coach and not a manager? Not sure I follow...

    Is there a need for the manager to be Belgian, that seems a bit strict from RD...

    So RD should spend more to catch up with other clubs expenditure and not try and balance the books?

    As others have pointed out, a number of players have come from outside the network so that point seems incorrect, plus I'll state again, why would he use his existing knowledge of players to our advantage?

    By "a lot", I mean "a few", "some", "several", I cant be exact, people on these threads have seemed to be totally against RD and what he's done.

    Not exactly sure what has been "huge" and "sweeping" there.
    You don't understand the difference between a coach and a manager? OK, read up on it.

    No, RD doesn't have to spend more to catch up. That's his choice but it clearly is a constraint on who we can bring in.

    Yes, I pointed out that some players have come from non network clubs. Mostly the successful ones. The knowledge of "existing" players hasn't worked to our advantage. That's the point.

    No, you can't be exact so maybe time to stop saying "A lot" and "everyone" as well as "everything".
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  • cabbles said:

    It might be just me, but do a few staunchly pro RD fans join this forum every time something a bit questionable happens?

    I'm not necessarily anti Roland, but there have been more misses than hits thus far

    Care to elaborate?

    It seems to have been something of a bumpy ride in the last year. Maybe this is just what change feels like, as the club has been through a big shift in direction.

    In terms of the playing staff, we have seen a few players who have either been not good enough or probably didn't want to be here.

    I don't think it's possible to move forward without the impression of continuity. If we are trying to recruit new players, then we need to offer them some sort of coherent vision, particularly as we are not seemingly in a position to offer attractive wages in comparison to our peers within this division.
    Any use of the term 'bumpy ride' has been trademarked by @Henry Irving and should any other lifer use such term please seek permission from him in the first instance. Failing that, please credit the great HI in any post with the use of such term.....

    You have been warned :wink:
    Has anyone used 'rollercoaster' yet?
    Hovi, as far as I am aware, 'rollercoaster' hasn't been officially adopted by a lifer, but I believe it has been used. It's yours if you want it
  • Apologies I wasn't clear, I do understand the difference between a coach and a Manager, im just unclear as to why that's a constraint? They both other different advantages and dis-advantages...

    Re the players, if some haven't worked out, we should just stop looking within the network? Surely they are scouting everywhere anyway and just trying to utilise the network as much as possible. That makes sense to me anyway

    I will stop saying "a lot", apologies as that is a bit generic and vague. I say that "a lot". I wouldnt say it was huge and sweeping though...................not like saying that there is a need for a BELGIAN manager....;-)

  • These posts are all proving my point. No one is massively supporting RD saying that he is the saviour of Charlton, merely we're acknowledging that actually he has come in, spent money, and we probably look better than we were last season, certainly at this point in the season. No one knows any more than that.

    Whereas all the anti-RD people are throwing out arguments like he has destroyed the club. I fail to see anything in anyone's points to suggest that he has done anything that bad.

    All very strange...

    Who are these people? "all the anti-RD people"?

    There is a whole spectrum of views on here from "What's not to like" fawning over everything RD does to "RD is killing the club I love" but most people are somewhere in the middle.

    Most people see both the good and bad but of course some see more of some than the other.

    You can't see anything bad even though people have pointed out a number of his errors.

    Trying to put people into boxes so you can dismiss their views doesn't help the debate. On either side.


    And yes, RD supporters have often said he is the "saviour" of the club as they say we would be in administration if the other lot were still here.

    Funnily, this was the very same defence that was made, often by the same people, of the Spiv and Chancer regime when they had run out of money and ideas.

    RD has done a lot of good IMHO

    He has also made a number of errors IMHO

    That does not make me anti- RD but neither am I blind to the constraints he has put on the club or the weakness of the model he is trying to impose. Especially now FFP has be blown out of the water.

    The crucial points for me are that of the successful transfers listed above (Igor, Bikey, JBG, TBH, Henderson) only one has come from the network (TBH) and he has vast experience of English football. Buyens is a loan and the jury is still out on him IMO.

    Against that there are many network deals that have flopped (Reza, Nego, Polish Pete, Thuram, Koc) and you could add Bulot, Astrid and Tuchadean to that list perhaps.

    The network model isn't working that well. Maybe it is early days or maybe the scouting isn't that good. If I were Roland I would be wondering why so many players his sporting director has recommended for Standard haven't worked out and why they still haven't worked out at Charlton.

    Especially when the buys such as Igor, Bikey, JGB, Henderson and the loan of Coquelin that have come from outside the network ie traditional buying players you know ,as with Bob and Igor, seems to work much better.
    This, this & this !
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