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Crazy Thoughts

It might just be me, and maybe I'm crazy, but maybe, just maybe, the chairman has been good for the club. Spending millions on a new pitch, making the ground look great again, lots of new players, focusing on our great academy and having a manager that will blood the youth!

Maybe just maybe, "the network", "the mothership" etc etc is not a bad idea. I mean why wouldnt you look to bring in people that you know? Players that you already have an idea could work? I mean its brought players to us like Vetekole, Buyens and Gudmunsson who I don't think anyone could argue have improved us! Maybe just maybe it's not crazy to make the most of your knowledge and expertise....!

Whether sacking, or even appointing Peeters in the first place is the right thing remains to be seen, but no one really knows. I doubt anyone was particularly overjoyed at Peeters appointment, yet after ten games was anyone questioning it...?

Love Powell, but probably wasn't really good enough at the time for us.
Really liked Peeters but maybe no win in 12 and some recent poor performances aren't good enough.
Maybe, just maybe, the chairman knows what he's doing....
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  • Quick warning to anyone who replies positively to this: You've all slagged me off for saying this ^^^^^^

    I will remember names
  • Maybe, just maybe you are right, I think we may know a little more at the end of January!

    A lot of people are getting on Roly's case, but I don't think Bob gave him a lot of choice but to sack him, one win in 2.5 months is simply not good enough. What happens next is crucial. I for one do not want to go back into Div. 1, so lets hope it works out all round!
  • Thank god, thought you were proposong Wise or Vinnie Jones.
  • It doesn't have to be everything RD does is good or everything he does is bad.

    He's done some good things and he's made some mistakes IMHO.

    One thing though. Neither of the two best signings, Igor and JBG came from the network.

    Some of the worst signings (take your pick) have come from the network.

    The concern I'd that now the FFP rules have changed completely so RDs plan has to change too.

    Maybe Peeters going is the first part of that change.


  • The concern I'd that now the FFP rules have changed completely so RDs plan has to change too.

    Maybe Peeters going is the first part of that change.

    That's an interesting point, Henry.

  • edited January 2015
    After 10 games was anyone questioning it? Maybe not. But after 25 was anyone questioning it? Yes and Roland sacked him.

    As said above, Igor and Gudmundsson weren't from the network.

    Powell, 3 seasons, 1 promotion, one of the highest win percentages of any Charlton manager.

    Cheers for the new pitch though Roland, you can have that one.
  • TBH, Buyens and Adjaravic are all from the network and i consider them to be positives
  • Whether from the network or not, he funded the signings...

    My main point being what is wrong with him utilising his knowledge base to bring players who are available?

    Just seems strange that we would criticise that, and also then not give him credit for other players bought from outside "the network"
  • It might be just me, but do a few staunchly pro RD fans join this forum every time something a bit questionable happens?

    I'm not necessarily anti Roland, but there have been more misses than hits thus far
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  • edited January 2015

    Whether from the network or not, he funded the signings...

    My main point being what is wrong with him utilising his knowledge base to bring players who are available?

    Just seems strange that we would criticise that, and also then not give him credit for other players bought from outside "the network"

    The trouble is he brings players that are available & often shite and not needed.

    Thuram, Nego, Polish Pete, Koc etc etc.

    We need him to bring in the players we need, not who have been left on the shelf.

    We had 2 good goalies last season & now both gone. We now have Oldham's no 3 instead, because he was available.
  • Hey if I'm honest I'm gutted Peeters has been sacked and personally wouldn't have wanted it, way too early for me but hey ho.

    I'm not sure I can see what all the misses are that RD has had/caused that's all?

    We were going down and close to administration last season with boring football, no side, and not even a pitch ha ha. This season it's very different. Not everything has been perfect naturally but surely the anti RD campaigns and comments are a bit much
  • Agreed covered end, but they were all last season when we basically needed anyone. Agreed again none of those worked but this season, even if they haven't all been great, you can still see why we've brought in the players we have
  • After 10 games was anyone questioning it? Maybe not. But after 25 was anyone questioning it? Yes and Roland sacked him.

    As said above, Igor and Gudmundsson weren't from the network.

    Powell, 3 seasons, 1 promotion, one of the highest win percentages of any Charlton manager.

    Cheers for the new pitch though Roland, you can have that one.

    Powell - You forgot to mention the relegation if he did stay though.

    Cheers Roland for - Making the Valley look good again, a decent pitch, Bringing in Riga to keep us up, Splashing a lot of cash on Igor, Bikey,TBH, and Gudmudsson, Training Ground Plans, Making sure the club don't go into Admin and fold, realising there is a problem and dealing with it this season.

  • Well said - that's my point exactly, its not all perfect, but in all honesty is it really as bad as people are saying......I think not.
  • Good points made in this thread.

    Also I don't think Bulot got a fair run in
  • As I said in another thread, our position right now is healthier compared to 18 months ago. Overall I'm generally happy with the way he has run the club, I think some things have been a mistake but then everyone makes mistakes. It does concern me the rather large contingent of fans who appear to be anti whatever RD does. That is not healthy. I don't really understand what their agenda is. We all want us to go out and buy the best players, get the best manager/head coach, unfortunately a lot of money is needed for that and the (ludicrous) changes to FFP have put a halt to that, I'm sure RD will be reviewing his plans or will have done so it light of it.

    I'm willing to give it more time, I mean it has only been just over a year and I think things have improved albeit slowly. It seems like some won't be happy until we are sitting comfortably in the PL after another 6 years or so in there then they'll find something else to moan about.
  • It might be just me, but do a few staunchly pro RD fans join this forum every time something a bit questionable happens?

    I'm not necessarily anti Roland, but there have been more misses than hits thus far

    Care to elaborate?

  • colthe3rd said:

    As I said in another thread, our position right now is healthier compared to 18 months ago. Overall I'm generally happy with the way he has run the club, I think some things have been a mistake but then everyone makes mistakes. It does concern me the rather large contingent of fans who appear to be anti whatever RD does. That is not healthy. I don't really understand what their agenda is. We all want us to go out and buy the best players, get the best manager/head coach, unfortunately a lot of money is needed for that and the (ludicrous) changes to FFP have put a halt to that, I'm sure RD will be reviewing his plans or will have done so it light of it.

    I'm willing to give it more time, I mean it has only been just over a year and I think things have improved albeit slowly. It seems like some won't be happy until we are sitting comfortably in the PL after another 6 years or so in there then they'll find something else to moan about.

    Agreed, and if we are in the Prem in 6 years the same fckers will be moaning we aint in Europe after only getting a point at home to Chelsea in the last game of the season when we needed to win and should have gone 442

  • It might be just me, but do a few staunchly pro RD fans join this forum every time something a bit questionable happens?

    I'm not necessarily anti Roland, but there have been more misses than hits thus far

    Care to elaborate?

    Maybe it would have been a brighter place if we got relegated last season and pushing for Play offs in L1 this season.
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  • It might be just me, but do a few staunchly pro RD fans join this forum every time something a bit questionable happens?

    I'm not necessarily anti Roland, but there have been more misses than hits thus far

    Care to elaborate?

    It seems to have been something of a bumpy ride in the last year. Maybe this is just what change feels like, as the club has been through a big shift in direction.

    In terms of the playing staff, we have seen a few players who have either been not good enough or probably didn't want to be here.

    I don't think it's possible to move forward without the impression of continuity. If we are trying to recruit new players, then we need to offer them some sort of coherent vision, particularly as we are not seemingly in a position to offer attractive wages in comparison to our peers within this division.
  • MrLargo said:

    After 10 games was anyone questioning it? Maybe not. But after 25 was anyone questioning it? Yes and Roland sacked him.

    As said above, Igor and Gudmundsson weren't from the network.

    Powell, 3 seasons, 1 promotion, one of the highest win percentages of any Charlton manager.

    Cheers for the new pitch though Roland, you can have that one.

    Powell - You forgot to mention the relegation if he did stay though.

    Cheers Roland for - Making the Valley look good again, a decent pitch, Bringing in Riga to keep us up, Splashing a lot of cash on Igor, Bikey,TBH, and Gudmudsson, Training Ground Plans, Making sure the club don't go into Admin and fold,

    I cannot believe how many times this crap about the new pitch has been rolled out! The pitch was beyond help this time last year, whoever bought the club would have had to replace it - it's not like Roland's come along and thought "I think I'll treat these long suffering supporters to some nice new grass to look at", he had absolutely no choice in the matter.

    As for the rest of your nonsensical thank you list, here's a few observations -

    Making the Valley look good again - is it just me who goes to The Valley to watch the football?! Seems to be a lot of people on here who's primary reason for attending is so that they can spend the afternoon licking their shiny new plastic seat.

    Splashing a lot of cash on Igor and Gudmundsson - yep granted. But unfortunately he's not invested in any back up for Igor, so he's been having to play with an injury for about 3 months and he's now a shadow of the player who started the season as a consequence.

    Splashing a lot of cash on Bikey and Ben Haim - Bikey: Free transfer. Tal Ben Haim: Free transfer from within the network, under contract at Liege so Roland was paying his wages this season whether he signed for Charlton or not.

    Training Ground Plans - they're just plans!

    Realising there is a problem and dealing with it this season - he created the problem, Peeter's was his choice. And the main problem, that he still hasn't noticed or done anything about, is that the squad he has provided does not have anything like the necessary depth to compete in the Championship, hence we've not won for ages, and we keep having to field players in key positions who just aren't ready for regular first team football yet.

    Whether the pitch had to be done or not, he still shelled out to have it done.

    Your point about the ground is very poor, i mean surely its better to sit in a nice ground than poor? And surely a nice ground goes some-way, not entirely, but certainly some-way to enticing new fans and new players...

    Yes bought players, and tried for others, surely he cant be held responsible for not bringing in everyone we tried for.

    Free transfers yes, but as you rightly say we pay wages on those - bit of a strange point to say he's already paying the wage so it doesnt count???

    Training ground plans - it would be impossible to build the new training ground instantly without plans - not really sure you can knock him there ha ha.

    No one is saying he's been perfect, but personally I just fail to see exactly what people are getting so irate about with RD - no one has made any real valid points for me liking.
  • MrLargo said:

    After 10 games was anyone questioning it? Maybe not. But after 25 was anyone questioning it? Yes and Roland sacked him.

    As said above, Igor and Gudmundsson weren't from the network.

    Powell, 3 seasons, 1 promotion, one of the highest win percentages of any Charlton manager.

    Cheers for the new pitch though Roland, you can have that one.

    Powell - You forgot to mention the relegation if he did stay though.

    Cheers Roland for - Making the Valley look good again, a decent pitch, Bringing in Riga to keep us up, Splashing a lot of cash on Igor, Bikey,TBH, and Gudmudsson, Training Ground Plans, Making sure the club don't go into Admin and fold,

    I cannot believe how many times this crap about the new pitch has been rolled out! The pitch was beyond help this time last year, whoever bought the club would have had to replace it - it's not like Roland's come along and thought "I think I'll treat these long suffering supporters to some nice new grass to look at", he had absolutely no choice in the matter.

    As for the rest of your nonsensical thank you list, here's a few observations -

    Making the Valley look good again - is it just me who goes to The Valley to watch the football?! Seems to be a lot of people on here who's primary reason for attending is so that they can spend the afternoon licking their shiny new plastic seat.

    Splashing a lot of cash on Igor and Gudmundsson - yep granted. But unfortunately he's not invested in any back up for Igor, so he's been having to play with an injury for about 3 months and he's now a shadow of the player who started the season as a consequence.

    Splashing a lot of cash on Bikey and Ben Haim - Bikey: Free transfer. Tal Ben Haim: Free transfer from within the network, under contract at Liege so Roland was paying his wages this season whether he signed for Charlton or not.

    Training Ground Plans - they're just plans!

    Realising there is a problem and dealing with it this season - he created the problem, Peeter's was his choice. And the main problem, that he still hasn't noticed or done anything about, is that the squad he has provided does not have anything like the necessary depth to compete in the Championship, hence we've not won for ages, and we keep having to field players in key positions who just aren't ready for regular first team football yet.

    Righto

    So whats your best case scenario from February last year then?

    Roman getting bored at Chelsea?

    Honestly Im interested

  • MrLargo said:

    After 10 games was anyone questioning it? Maybe not. But after 25 was anyone questioning it? Yes and Roland sacked him.

    As said above, Igor and Gudmundsson weren't from the network.

    Powell, 3 seasons, 1 promotion, one of the highest win percentages of any Charlton manager.

    Cheers for the new pitch though Roland, you can have that one.

    Powell - You forgot to mention the relegation if he did stay though.

    Cheers Roland for - Making the Valley look good again, a decent pitch, Bringing in Riga to keep us up, Splashing a lot of cash on Igor, Bikey,TBH, and Gudmudsson, Training Ground Plans, Making sure the club don't go into Admin and fold,

    I cannot believe how many times this crap about the new pitch has been rolled out! The pitch was beyond help this time last year, whoever bought the club would have had to replace it - it's not like Roland's come along and thought "I think I'll treat these long suffering supporters to some nice new grass to look at", he had absolutely no choice in the matter. Utter Tosh that mate, that pitch needed doing for at least the last 10 years, even when we were in the Prem and the Board/Owners then never done it.

    As for the rest of your nonsensical thank you list, here's a few observations -

    Making the Valley look good again - is it just me who goes to The Valley to watch the football?! Seems to be a lot of people on here who's primary reason for attending is so that they can spend the afternoon licking their shiny new plastic seat. Yep and the same people would be moaning he hasn't changed the toilet seat in the Upper West or 'Im not paying for my season ticket as my seats falling off' or probably didn't want a claim for a supporter falling down the steps

    Splashing a lot of cash on Igor and Gudmundsson - yep granted. But unfortunately he's not invested in any back up for Igor, so he's been having to play with an injury for about 3 months and he's now a shadow of the player who started the season as a consequence. Maybe he didn't have enough cash or was looking at FFP and couldn't go over budget

    Splashing a lot of cash on Bikey and Ben Haim - Bikey: Free transfer. Tal Ben Haim: Free transfer from within the network, under contract at Liege so Roland was paying his wages this season whether he signed for Charlton or not. Better them to have signed for Charlton though eh?

    Training Ground Plans - they're just plans! To get to where he possibly wants to gets and get the players in he wants/wanted hed have to improve and lets be fair its not good enough, maybe he should have built it without plans

    Realising there is a problem and dealing with it this season - he created the problem, Peeter's was his choice. And the main problem, that he still hasn't noticed or done anything about, is that the squad he has provided does not have anything like the necessary depth to compete in the Championship, hence we've not won for ages, and we keep having to field players in key positions who just aren't ready for regular first team football yet. Yep granted it hasn't worked out, but size and depth of squad is no smaller than that of Brentfords or Ipswich for example, you get unlucky with injuries and losing can become a habit, hes changed that now, lets see how the transfer window goes and the next manager.

  • Investing in the pitch was a necessity, from bottom to top there was a requirement for us to have a new pitch laid, this is not something for us to all get moist over, this was what we needed to carry on playing football at this level, the other pitch was a swamp.

    Investing in Igor and Johann were investments into assets that if they perform will not devalue but increase in value, but we are the platform for that, if they perform well at this level then they are worth a lot more than elsewhere, that's due to the nature and level of competition week in week out at this level. I don't think you guys realise our signings are not our signings to keep hold of and secure our future, once they get bored/too good/not good enough they are to be shipped elsewhere. Astrit - he was good.. he's a goner. Reza, hugely talked up for us everyone made a huge thing of it, goner. Not to mention every key asset bar a couple last season, sold..

    Bikey & Ben Haim, spending a lot of money!? On 9 July 2014, Bikey signed for Charlton Athletic on a two-year deal on a free transfer... & TBH free aswell as conveniently he's come over from Standard Liege.

    To say he's done a lot of things right and a lot of things wrong would be pushing it too, player wise his hit ratio is incredibly poor. The guys that should be scouting are professionals, meant to be anyway, and with all the signings it was pretty obvious pre-season only Johann, Igor & Buyens would be the ones to make any sort of impact (I even posted this at the time).. how they think most of the rest of them are going to perform at this level I will never know. Yes he's gave us the Valley a lick of paint etc. but then most of this is not money down the drain to him, if he sells us up, a new invigorated Valley is worth more ££.

    A lot of it is opinion and some people it takes a lot longer to wake up and smell the coffee than others, some don't smell it at all, whereas some simply refuse to. That is fine with me, what is not fine with me is the future of my football club. DESPITE the lack of investment from Jim & Cash, the way we went about things on the pitch at the time had laid the foundations for a security in Championship and a push forward, we almost even made Play-Offs some people forget. Now look at us, 6 marginal 1 goal wins in half a season and taking some big spankings along the way... a squad who are arguing, not happy and which is simply not big enough.

    -Fans are leaving in the hundreds, so many season tickets are being left at home on a match day. That is so unlike Charlton, usually it's a habit and way of life that way we love to go to the match, now everyone is 'Hmm, think I'll pass today - got other things I can do *make up some things to do*' .. That's exactly how you run a football club into the ground, they say they're all about the match day experience - it's got worse, that is not arguable. Their plans to us are all contradicting, we've seen player's not wanting to play for us, who are paid thousands of pounds a week, while fans travel thousands of miles to follow us over land & sea paying their hard earned.. that was a product of the 'network' and will always supply results like it due to the nature of the set up of the network.

    I'd love to go on and answer your question Charltonparklane but I won't jump in.
  • edited January 2015

    MrLargo said:

    After 10 games was anyone questioning it? Maybe not. But after 25 was anyone questioning it? Yes and Roland sacked him.

    As said above, Igor and Gudmundsson weren't from the network.

    Powell, 3 seasons, 1 promotion, one of the highest win percentages of any Charlton manager.

    Cheers for the new pitch though Roland, you can have that one.

    Powell - You forgot to mention the relegation if he did stay though.

    Cheers Roland for - Making the Valley look good again, a decent pitch, Bringing in Riga to keep us up, Splashing a lot of cash on Igor, Bikey,TBH, and Gudmudsson, Training Ground Plans, Making sure the club don't go into Admin and fold,

    I cannot believe how many times this crap about the new pitch has been rolled out! The pitch was beyond help this time last year, whoever bought the club would have had to replace it - it's not like Roland's come along and thought "I think I'll treat these long suffering supporters to some nice new grass to look at", he had absolutely no choice in the matter.

    As for the rest of your nonsensical thank you list, here's a few observations -

    Making the Valley look good again - is it just me who goes to The Valley to watch the football?! Seems to be a lot of people on here who's primary reason for attending is so that they can spend the afternoon licking their shiny new plastic seat.

    Splashing a lot of cash on Igor and Gudmundsson - yep granted. But unfortunately he's not invested in any back up for Igor, so he's been having to play with an injury for about 3 months and he's now a shadow of the player who started the season as a consequence.

    Splashing a lot of cash on Bikey and Ben Haim - Bikey: Free transfer. Tal Ben Haim: Free transfer from within the network, under contract at Liege so Roland was paying his wages this season whether he signed for Charlton or not.

    Training Ground Plans - they're just plans!

    Realising there is a problem and dealing with it this season - he created the problem, Peeter's was his choice. And the main problem, that he still hasn't noticed or done anything about, is that the squad he has provided does not have anything like the necessary depth to compete in the Championship, hence we've not won for ages, and we keep having to field players in key positions who just aren't ready for regular first team football yet.

    Whether the pitch had to be done or not, he still shelled out to have it done.

    Your point about the ground is very poor, i mean surely its better to sit in a nice ground than poor? And surely a nice ground goes some-way, not entirely, but certainly some-way to enticing new fans and new players... - wait until the season ticket renewal figures come out (if the club is willing to make them public) and you'll see how many new fans have been enticed by the prospect of watching more crap football on their great new seats.

    Yes bought players, and tried for others, surely he cant be held responsible for not bringing in everyone we tried for - tried for who? If you're talking about the likes of Max Gradel and Chris O'Grady, those rumours were pure fiction.

    Free transfers yes, but as you rightly say we pay wages on those - bit of a strange point to say he's already paying the wage so it doesnt count??? - I'm saying with Ben Haim he was tied into a contract with Standard Liege, one of Roland's other clubs, and therefore Roland would have been paying his wages this season regardless of whether he was playing for us or Liege, so it's not an act of kindness from Roland as you had implied.

    Training ground plans - it would be impossible to build the new training ground instantly without plans - not really sure you can knock him there ha ha. Indeed it would, so too early for me to knock him yes, but far too early for you to thank him as well, he's not done anything yet. The club made plans several years ago to rebuild the South Stand and increase the capacity of the East Stand.

    No one is saying he's been perfect, but personally I just fail to see exactly what people are getting so irate about with RD - no one has made any real valid points for me liking - 3 managers in ten months, Roland trying to influence the team selections of the first of those managers, the sale of Yann, the releasing of Morrison on a free and the arrival of, in no particular order, Thuram-Ulien, Loic Nego, Anil Koc, Piotr the Invisible Pole, Reza, Federic Bulot and Tucudean to a lesser extent, the woeful football we've had to sit through this season, Roland's failure to provide any decent reinforcements when the likes of Henderson, Wiggins and Vetokele sustained injuries. Not to mention the general lack of communication with supporters from a chairman who can only be bothered to attend a couple of games a season. Those of some of the things I'm irate about, and there's plenty more to add as well.
  • Some good points and Im sure we will have a even better argument come May.
    Again, the pitch, as I said above, prob before you started your post, it needed doing for 10 plus years and wasn't done.
    However, just a small point and I don't mean this patronising but laying the foundations for Championship security, do you remember where we were in March last year?
  • MrLargo said:

    After 10 games was anyone questioning it? Maybe not. But after 25 was anyone questioning it? Yes and Roland sacked him.

    As said above, Igor and Gudmundsson weren't from the network.

    Powell, 3 seasons, 1 promotion, one of the highest win percentages of any Charlton manager.

    Cheers for the new pitch though Roland, you can have that one.

    Powell - You forgot to mention the relegation if he did stay though.

    Cheers Roland for - Making the Valley look good again, a decent pitch, Bringing in Riga to keep us up, Splashing a lot of cash on Igor, Bikey,TBH, and Gudmudsson, Training Ground Plans, Making sure the club don't go into Admin and fold,

    I cannot believe how many times this crap about the new pitch has been rolled out! The pitch was beyond help this time last year, whoever bought the club would have had to replace it - it's not like Roland's come along and thought "I think I'll treat these long suffering supporters to some nice new grass to look at", he had absolutely no choice in the matter.

    As for the rest of your nonsensical thank you list, here's a few observations -

    Making the Valley look good again - is it just me who goes to The Valley to watch the football?! Seems to be a lot of people on here who's primary reason for attending is so that they can spend the afternoon licking their shiny new plastic seat.

    Splashing a lot of cash on Igor and Gudmundsson - yep granted. But unfortunately he's not invested in any back up for Igor, so he's been having to play with an injury for about 3 months and he's now a shadow of the player who started the season as a consequence.

    Splashing a lot of cash on Bikey and Ben Haim - Bikey: Free transfer. Tal Ben Haim: Free transfer from within the network, under contract at Liege so Roland was paying his wages this season whether he signed for Charlton or not.

    Training Ground Plans - they're just plans!

    Realising there is a problem and dealing with it this season - he created the problem, Peeter's was his choice. And the main problem, that he still hasn't noticed or done anything about, is that the squad he has provided does not have anything like the necessary depth to compete in the Championship, hence we've not won for ages, and we keep having to field players in key positions who just aren't ready for regular first team football yet.

    Righto

    So whats your best case scenario from February last year then?

    Roman getting bored at Chelsea?

    Honestly Im interested

    Just as I can't categorically say that there WERE other parties interested in buying the club, neither can you say that their definitely WEREN'T. We do know that the American bloke Josh Harris took a serious interest in buying the club.

    So my best scenario would have been for someone else to buy the club and to run it with at least a little bit of respect for its history, and its supporters.
  • Some good points and Im sure we will have a even better argument come May.
    Again, the pitch, as I said above, prob before you started your post, it needed doing for 10 plus years and wasn't done.
    However, just a small point and I don't mean this patronising but laying the foundations for Championship security, do you remember where we were in March last year?

    Yep - at or near the bottom, but with a shed load of games in hand. It's a matter of opinion, but I always thought we would have stayed up that season under Powell, although obviously he wasn't helped by Roland selling his best player and insisting that he play Thuram-Ulien in goal against Wigan (his mistakes costing us at least a point, possibly 3).
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