Good on Katrien trying to think of ways of increasing attendance, lower ST prices was one, although it has not worked, as yet and Friday night football is a possibility and I have no problem if the Club want to try it out for a few games, maybe a couple next season or towards the end of this season. I suspect that it won't work, I think Hamlet tried it a couple of seasons ago and have not returned, but if you don't try you won't know.
As stated the crowds will come back if we are competing at the top of the league and if we are playing attractive football. Attendances are affected by what goes on on the pitch more than anything else provided we don't have silly prices.
On prices I would like the club to make more noise about what good value we are, I only found out that an adult upper west seat with a decent view was only £15 by accident.
Good on Katrien trying to think of ways of increasing attendance, lower ST prices was one, although it has not worked, as yet and Friday night football is a possibility and I have no problem if the Club want to try it out for a few games, maybe a couple next season or towards the end of this season. I suspect that it won't work, I think Hamlet tried it a couple of seasons ago and have not returned, but if you don't try you won't know.
As stated the crowds will come back if we are competing at the top of the league and if we are playing attractive football. Attendances are affected by what goes on on the pitch more than anything else provided we don't have silly prices.
On prices I would like the club to make more noise about what good value we are, I only found out that an adult upper west seat with a decent view was only £15 by accident.
Totally agree they need to promote the cheaper tickets - we took a friend of our sons the other week and only a tenner on the day - total bargain. I think the proof of the cheaper season ticket pricing and improved results will be with the half season ticket promotion starting around November. I can understand that some fans may have been hesitant over the summer but there is now a solid squad and league position to use to promote ticket sales.
As stated the crowds will come back if we are competing at the top of the league and if we are playing attractive football. Attendances are affected by what goes on on the pitch more than anything else provided we don't have silly prices.
I just can't see our crowds making any noticeable improvements even if we were top 6 all season ... maybe last few home games they'd tick up
that's not to say things aren't worth a try or we give up
i just don't think the interest is there and wont be until we reach the promised land and i wouldn't be surprised if that's not as banged out as it was on our previous sojourn to the top flight
As stated the crowds will come back if we are competing at the top of the league and if we are playing attractive football. Attendances are affected by what goes on on the pitch more than anything else provided we don't have silly prices.
I just can't see our crowds making any noticeable improvements even if we were top 6 all season ... maybe last few home games they'd tick up
that's not to say things aren't worth a try or we give up
i just don't think the interest is there and wont be until we reach the promised land and i wouldn't be surprised if that's not as banged out as it was on our previous sojourn to the top flight
Depends on what is meant, i certainly dont think we'll get anywhere near the 27,000 mark except for a big cup game unless we are prem, however I do believe we could add another 2-3,000 to our home gate with good results and the right marketing.
As stated the crowds will come back if we are competing at the top of the league and if we are playing attractive football. Attendances are affected by what goes on on the pitch more than anything else provided we don't have silly prices.
I just can't see our crowds making any noticeable improvements even if we were top 6 all season ... maybe last few home games they'd tick up
that's not to say things aren't worth a try or we give up
i just don't think the interest is there and wont be until we reach the promised land and i wouldn't be surprised if that's not as banged out as it was on our previous sojourn to the top flight
Depends on what is meant, i certainly dont think we'll get anywhere near the 27,000 mark except for a big cup game unless we are prem, however I do believe we could add another 2-3,000 to our home gate with good results and the right marketing.
Bear in mind that is a 100 per cent increase on current home match ticket sales. That's not easy to achieve at standard prices, although I agree there is scope to get more out of the £15 offer.
I think the most half-season sales ever (excepting the opening of the north stand) is probably about the 500 mark. 300 is above average.
If we set unrealistic success criteria then the exercise is bound to fail. In reality it would be an achievement to put 1,000 on the core home support, unless via comps and special offers.
Bear in mind that is a 100 per cent increase on current home match ticket sales. That's not easy to achieve at standard prices, although I agree there is scope to get more out of the £15 offer.
I think the most half-season sales ever (excepting the opening of the north stand) is probably about the 500 mark. 300 is above average.
If we set unrealistic success criteria then the exercise is bound to fail. In reality it would be an achievement to put 1,000 on the core home support, unless via comps and special offers.
Agreed.
I think we're almost maxxed out in terms of home support (at the current prices) unless there is a promotion run-in. Those lost Premier League supporters don't want to watch Championship football unless there is a bit of glory involved.
For a SIGNIFICANT increase in home support, I think you'd have to drop the adult basic to £12 or slash the kids price (not sure what it is at the moment...) to encourage the more adults to come with the kids. By significant increase, I'm talking about 3-4,000 on top of what we get now, to get us up near the 20,000 mark.
As stated the crowds will come back if we are competing at the top of the league and if we are playing attractive football. Attendances are affected by what goes on on the pitch more than anything else provided we don't have silly prices.
I just can't see our crowds making any noticeable improvements even if we were top 6 all season ... maybe last few home games they'd tick up
that's not to say things aren't worth a try or we give up
i just don't think the interest is there and wont be until we reach the promised land and i wouldn't be surprised if that's not as banged out as it was on our previous sojourn to the top flight
Depends on what is meant, i certainly dont think we'll get anywhere near the 27,000 mark except for a big cup game unless we are prem, however I do believe we could add another 2-3,000 to our home gate with good results and the right marketing.
If we set unrealistic success criteria then the exercise is bound to fail.
For a SIGNIFICANT increase in home support, I think you'd have to drop the adult basic to £12 or slash the kids price (not sure what it is at the moment...) to encourage the more adults to come with the kids. By significant increase, I'm talking about 3-4,000 on top of what we get now, to get us up near the 20,000 mark.
Prices for Silver Matches are :-
The match has been classified as an Addicks Silver contest. Depending on what zone supporters sit in tickets for the match are priced at £31, £28, £24, £20 or £15 for adults, £22, £20, £16, £14 or £11 for concessions and U21s, £10 or £7 for U18s and £5 or £3 for U11s.
Excellent stats up above! Over the last twenty years, Friday night games have actually attracted a higher than season-average attendance. All of them, no exceptions.
As stated the crowds will come back if we are competing at the top of the league and if we are playing attractive football. Attendances are affected by what goes on on the pitch more than anything else provided we don't have silly prices.
I just can't see our crowds making any noticeable improvements even if we were top 6 all season ... maybe last few home games they'd tick up
that's not to say things aren't worth a try or we give up
i just don't think the interest is there and wont be until we reach the promised land and i wouldn't be surprised if that's not as banged out as it was on our previous sojourn to the top flight
Depends on what is meant, i certainly dont think we'll get anywhere near the 27,000 mark except for a big cup game unless we are prem, however I do believe we could add another 2-3,000 to our home gate with good results and the right marketing.
If we set unrealistic success criteria then the exercise is bound to fail.
Target 40,000?
That was really about putting pressure on the council over future planning consents in 2004. The club wanted to push the council to agree an outline scheme for the rest of the stadium in order to avoid the piecemeal battles that we'd had in the past, but I agree it looked a bit lame after we'd been relegated from the PL.
Excellent stats up above! Over the last twenty years, Friday night games have actually attracted a higher than season-average attendance. All of them, no exceptions.
That's a sample of eight games, three of which were played at the back end of the 1999/2000 season in which we won the Football League. Two of these - Huddersfield and Portsmouth - were matches in which we could have been promoted. In addition, Portsmouth was played on Good Friday. I am pretty certain (from recollection and that season's programmes) this was a 2pm kick-off, even though it says in Home & Away that it was 8pm.
Two more of the eight were against Crystal Palace, when you'd get a higher than average gate in all circumstances. That leaves three matches. Of these, West Brom in 2008 was a 4.45pm kick-off on Good Friday.
Excellent stats up above! Over the last twenty years, Friday night games have actually attracted a higher than season-average attendance. All of them, no exceptions.
That's a sample of eight games, three of which were played at the back end of the 1999/2000 season in which we won the Football League. Two of these were matches in which we could have been or just had been promoted. In addition, Portsmouth was played on Good Friday.
Two more of the eight were against Crystal Palace, when you'd get a higher than average gate in all circumstances. That leaves three matches. West Brom in 2008 was a daytime kick-off on Good Friday.
That leaves Swindon and Tranmere in 1997 . . .
Useful original bit of research though.
Was not sure about the West Bromwich game if that was a good friday or an evening game.
Agree that it's hard to infer from such a small sample that Friday night games are better for attendances than Saturday games, but I think it certainly goes some way to disproving that they are worse.
Excellent stats up above! Over the last twenty years, Friday night games have actually attracted a higher than season-average attendance. All of them, no exceptions.
That's a sample of eight games, three of which were played at the back end of the 1999/2000 season in which we won the Football League. Two of these were matches in which we could have been or just had been promoted. In addition, Portsmouth was played on Good Friday.
Two more of the eight were against Crystal Palace, when you'd get a higher than average gate in all circumstances. That leaves three matches. West Brom in 2008 was a daytime kick-off on Good Friday.
That leaves Swindon and Tranmere in 1997 . . .
Useful original bit of research though.
Was not sure about the West Bromwich game if that was a good friday or an evening game.
WBA was an afternoon Good Friday game, as was the Portsmouth game.
I reckon a few Friday night games, where the away support wouldn't be significantly worse, could slightly improve attendances, due to the novelty value. But on a regular basis, i reckon they would be down. But who knows ?
I reckon a few Friday night games, where the away support wouldn't be significantly worse, could slightly improve attendances, due to the novelty value. But on a regular basis, i reckon they would be down. But who knows ?
Novelty value? Just get Thuram back inbetween the sticks....
I very much enjoyed Friday night matches back in the day as I played sport myself on Saturdays at the time so could only attend midweek games except on the rare occasions we had no match.
However what I would say is that since the mid seventies the demographics have changed as more fans have migrated from their SE London habitat further afield for reasons of work, house prices et al. It is therefore harder, even on a Friday, for fans to either travel to The Valley direct from work and then get home afterwards or travel home, get the car and travel back to The Valley.
Friday night is no longer "music night" but "a bus service will operate between a and b night" after "rush hour" even if a service of any description runs at all so public transport will be problematic at best.
Back in those pre Thatcher "get on your bike for work" days of Killer the majority of us lived within just a few miles of the ground so if need be many could even walk to and from the ground.
I commend Katrien for her initiative but in my view the logistical problems I mention are significant. One other thing. As a family club many of us bring children and or grandchildren to matches. Evening matches put the kybosh on that for many. Rough justice for those who have purchased season tickets.
Would the league have an objection to us moving games to Fridays ?
No, provided the opposition are ok with playing on a Friday.
I see, cheers.
So I presume it's only likely to be a goer for fairly local teams where there aren't midweek games the Tuesday/Wednesday before ? That must whittle the number of potential Friday night games significantly ?
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As stated the crowds will come back if we are competing at the top of the league and if we are playing attractive football. Attendances are affected by what goes on on the pitch more than anything else provided we don't have silly prices.
On prices I would like the club to make more noise about what good value we are, I only found out that an adult upper west seat with a decent view was only £15 by accident.
I think the proof of the cheaper season ticket pricing and improved results will be with the half season ticket promotion starting around November.
I can understand that some fans may have been hesitant over the summer but there is now a solid squad and league position to use to promote ticket sales.
that's not to say things aren't worth a try or we give up
i just don't think the interest is there and wont be until we reach the promised land and i wouldn't be surprised if that's not as banged out as it was on our previous sojourn to the top flight
We really are unique in the sense that we hate our own players
I think the most half-season sales ever (excepting the opening of the north stand) is probably about the 500 mark. 300 is above average.
If we set unrealistic success criteria then the exercise is bound to fail. In reality it would be an achievement to put 1,000 on the core home support, unless via comps and special offers.
Bear in mind that is a 100 per cent increase on current home match ticket sales. That's not easy to achieve at standard prices, although I agree there is scope to get more out of the £15 offer.
I think the most half-season sales ever (excepting the opening of the north stand) is probably about the 500 mark. 300 is above average.
If we set unrealistic success criteria then the exercise is bound to fail. In reality it would be an achievement to put 1,000 on the core home support, unless via comps and special offers.
Agreed.
I think we're almost maxxed out in terms of home support (at the current prices) unless there is a promotion run-in. Those lost Premier League supporters don't want to watch Championship football unless there is a bit of glory involved.
For a SIGNIFICANT increase in home support, I think you'd have to drop the adult basic to £12 or slash the kids price (not sure what it is at the moment...) to encourage the more adults to come with the kids. By significant increase, I'm talking about 3-4,000 on top of what we get now, to get us up near the 20,000 mark.
For a SIGNIFICANT increase in home support, I think you'd have to drop the adult basic to £12 or slash the kids price (not sure what it is at the moment...) to encourage the more adults to come with the kids. By significant increase, I'm talking about 3-4,000 on top of what we get now, to get us up near the 20,000 mark.
Prices for Silver Matches are :-
The match has been classified as an Addicks Silver contest. Depending on what zone supporters sit in tickets for the match are priced at £31, £28, £24, £20 or £15 for adults, £22, £20, £16, £14 or £11 for concessions and U21s, £10 or £7 for U18s and £5 or £3 for U11s.
* Live On Sky
14/9/2012 Crystal Palace 21730*
Average Home Attendance 2012/2013 18503
21/3/2008 West Brom 23412*
8/2/2008 Crystal Palace 26202
Average Home Attendance 2007/2008 23159
21/4/2000 Portsmouth 20043*
14/4/2000 Huddersfield 19724*
31/3/2000 QPR 19616*
Average Home Attendance 1999/2000 19541
28/11/1997 Swindon Town 13789*
Average Home Attendance 1997/1998 13275
7/2/1997 Tranmere Rovers 11305
Average Home Attendance 1996/1997 11081
22/3/1985 Middlesbrough 3741
30/11/1984 Carlisle United 4073
Average Home Attendance 1984/1985 5104
29/4/1983 Shrewsbury Town 4838
Average Home Attendance 1982/1983 7213
12/3/1982 Orient 5871
Average Home Attendance 1981/1982 6649
9/11/1979 Oldham Athletic 6191
Average Home Attendance 1979/1980 7208
6/10/1978 Orient 11024
22/9/1978 Notts County 8643
Average Home Attendance 1978/1979 9563
17/3/1978 Notts County 5856
10/2/1978 Oldham Athletic 5139
30/9/1977 Bristol Rovers 8412
Average Home Attendance 1977/1978 11307
22/4/1977 Bolton Wanderers 10517
11/3/1977 Carlisle United 7113
25/2/1977 Hereford United 8734
14/1/1977 Nottingham Forest 8021
5/11/1976 Plymouth Argyle 13617
24/9/1976 Southampton 9710
10/9/1976 Luton Town 9191
Average Home Attendance 1976/1977 11057
9/4/1976 West Brom 14252
12/3/1976 Bristol City 12711
27/2/1976 Carlisle United 10370
12/12/1975 Plymouth Argyle 7112
31/10/1975 Southampton 16036
26/9/1975 Hull City 10319
29/8/1975 Oxford United 8768
Average Home Attendance 1975/1976 11629
28/2/1975 Gillingham 18929
17/1/1975 Crystal Palace 26104
Average Home Attendance 1974/1975 10444
3/5/1974 Aldershot 3245
Average Home Attendance 1973/1974 5306
16/2/1973 Walsall 5078
Average Home Attendance 1972/1973 5658
26/2/1971 Oxford United 8867
Average Home Attendance 1970/1971 10981
1/3/1968 Blackburn Rovers 11759
Average Home Attendance 1967/1968 13945
12/5/1967 Birmingham City 10147
Average Home Attendance 1966/1967 12612
this would be down to about 500 max for a Friday night (half of then london based)
We could try a london derby, as a test. Not Millwall, Maybe fulham.
Can't judge the away game at fulham as this is on Sky so the crowd will be down.
I do enjoy the odd tuesday home game,the atmosphere can be better under the lights.
but we have the champ league clashing.
This is not a wind up, but having too many evening games when we have so many over 70's,
November to Feb nights are cold as a rule.
Fill up those hip flasks,
where did i leave that torch.
Two more of the eight were against Crystal Palace, when you'd get a higher than average gate in all circumstances. That leaves three matches. Of these, West Brom in 2008 was a 4.45pm kick-off on Good Friday.
That leaves Swindon and Tranmere in 1997 . . .
Useful original bit of research though.
However what I would say is that since the mid seventies the demographics have changed as more fans have migrated from their SE London habitat further afield for reasons of work, house prices et al. It is therefore harder, even on a Friday, for fans to either travel to The Valley direct from work and then get home afterwards or travel home, get the car and travel back to The Valley.
Friday night is no longer "music night" but "a bus service will operate between a and b night" after "rush hour" even if a service of any description runs at all so public transport will be problematic at best.
Back in those pre Thatcher "get on your bike for work" days of Killer the majority of us lived within just a few miles of the ground so if need be many could even walk to and from the ground.
I commend Katrien for her initiative but in my view the logistical problems I mention are significant. One other thing. As a family club many of us bring children and or grandchildren to matches. Evening matches put the kybosh on that for many. Rough justice for those who have purchased season tickets.
So I presume it's only likely to be a goer for fairly local teams where there aren't midweek games the Tuesday/Wednesday before ? That must whittle the number of potential Friday night games significantly ?