Nice one fenny, it's good to hear from our young at heart fans.
I wondered who sold bailey,glover,bonzo and hinton. if stokoe had a imput in the team of 67/68 then a different spin is needed, We were always a selling club back then. That was the raison D'etre of the Gliksten family for 50 years
Bob Curtis was the right back in that team, paul played in the early 80's. Matt Tees was my first real Hero..........memories from the past.
Powell can build a squad, create a good environment and at times play some good stuff. His tactics were not great and this comes from a guy that loves him. Riga is probably a better manager than him, he is better tactically. Should not have taken the Blackpool job but maybe he likes a challenge.
Andy Nelson: Loved all the goals and excitement but was too young to know any better!
Mike Bailey: Loved him and was gutted when he left just after getting us promoted!
Alan Mullery Overated, big mouth, self obsessed prick who did nothing for Charlton!
Ken Craggs: Never knew who he was and he didn`t get long enough to show everyone!
Lennie Lawrence: Loved him and still do because he kept my football club alive against all the odds!
Steve and Alan: A new start at Upton Park they did well, we didn`t know at the time that Curbs was the man!
Alan Curbishley..........If you don`t know by now, you never will!
Iain Dowie....: Don`t ever, ever mention that name again!
Les Reed: Forget it!
Alan Pardew: Hailed as the saviour, failed big time and ended up with an 8 year deal at Newcastle? WTF?
Parky: Pardew`s right hand man, difficult for him to win over the fans. Did okay in League 1 but shite football and dwindling crowds!
Chris Powell......Loved him as player, not sure about him as a manager. Had a great season in League 1 Champs winning year but again, shit football maybe due to the limited ability of the squad.
Jose Riga........Kept us up...........brilliant achievement considering we looked dead and buried after the Barnsley home game!
Bob(Big Bad)Peeters.....Love the way he has started and long may it continue!
Seeing all the managers in my lifetime listed I've forgotten all about Alan Mullery and Ken Craggs. Can be forgiven for Craggs, but how did I forget Mullery?
Re. OP, saying Dowie won 4 of 15 is being very generous. It was 2 wins, 2 draws out of 12 in the PL. Win rate 16% when it mattered. This guy made him the 4th worst manager ever in English football history:
Alan Curbishley : The fans and the manager lost there mojo at the same time. it started to feel flat, Alan started to have England ambitions, a few started to question him. He took us to places we can only dream about now. The season Parker left on the last day of the Jan window we were 4th at the time. Must be liked by all CAFC fans, maybe not loved because he was not demonstrative.
Chris Powell: Loved him as player, supported him as a manager. let me explain the difference. Great season with new team win 1st division, one bad week when we lose 0-2 and 4-2 at home but no problem, we get back on track. The only game that season i questioned him was the MK Dons home game where we were 2-0 up at HT and mckenzie has been sent off. The second half we played defensively, MK Dons with 10 men have most of play and match finishes 2-1 no major problem BUT....... It was a sign of what was to come. Birmingham away 1st game in Championship. we are 1-0 up and under no real pressure, as long as Zigic, all 6ft 7in of him is kept out of the box. Play high line, he can,t hurt you, we drop deep he scores in last min. So home match at valley 1-0, Zigic still 6ft 7in comes on us sub and we drop deep, we concede. If you have fast forwards or tricky forwards like brighton you play deep because they get in behind.
I'm sure this is not rocket science because if it was, Iain Dowie would have been our best manager and not at the bottom of the pile with Les Reed.
Re. OP, saying Dowie won 4 of 15 is being very generous. It was 2 wins, 2 draws out of 12 in the PL. Win rate 16% when it mattered. This guy made him the 4th worst manager ever in English football history:
Parkinson for me is easily the most underrated manager we've had. When you look at the players we had versus the Leeds, huddersfields, southamptons squads at the time, to even be competing was an excellent effort having spent £0 ourselves.
Frank Hill brought Firmani back from Italy...best ever move in my time.....probably Hill was one of the last of a breed of gentleman managers, heavy overcoat, smokers cough, god knows who did the training in those days., which involved running up and down the east terrace and playing five a side in the car park....hence the pot holes. Bob Stokoe brought Firmani back the second time I think and Firmani was a substitute at Palace one day and manager the next.....or maybe Im imagining that.
Re. OP, saying Dowie won 4 of 15 is being very generous. It was 2 wins, 2 draws out of 12 in the PL. Win rate 16% when it mattered. This guy made him the 4th worst manager ever in English football history:
Tiger Hill was the manager the first time I was taken down The Valley.
As far as I can recall, he came in mid-season and somehow saved us from certain relegation when we'd looked dead and buried, culminating in winning away on the last day of the season against Walsall - a match that we were losing when it was originally abandoned; we would have been relegated if that had been a result. Walsall were relegated instead.
The following season we finished 4th.
He had star player, defender Marvin Hinton sold under him, to Chelsea. The next season, brilliant midfielder and skipper Mike Bailey was capped by England - and soon after flogged to top flight Wolves for big money.
And then he brought back Italian international and ex-Charlton legendary striker Eddie Firmani. A player with terrific touch, vision and movement - and who could score wonder goals.
Tiger Hill created a team that scored goals for fun, but one poor start to a season and he was fired. And in came Bob Stokoe.
I liked Parkinson - he managed the club at a very difficult time and any manager would have struggled with the resources and talent of the squad being reduced - case in point was selling Frazer Richardson (and only for £500k) and replacing him with Simon Francis.
Despite this we were 5th when he left us, a couple of points off the playoffs - Powell finished the season in 13th including some dreadful performances. If we thought Swindon at home under Parky was bad nothing prepared us for Dagenham away under Powell !
I liked Parkinson - he managed the club at a very difficult time and any manager would have struggled with the resources and talent of the squad being reduced - case in point was selling Frazer Richardson (and only for £500k) and replacing him with Simon Francis.
Despite this we were 5th when he left us, a couple of points off the playoffs - Powell finished the season in 13th including some dreadful performances. If we thought Swindon at home under Parky was bad nothing prepared us for Dagenham away under Powell !
Remind me who was manager when we played Northwich Victoria.
Don't actually hate Dowiethe way many on here appear to. To me he was just a bad manager and bad appointment.
Hate Pardew because he was an arrogant Palace loving arse hole.
Liked Parky because he seemed like a hardworking, genuine chap just wrong place wrong time for him.
Loved Curbs because of what he did for us turning us into an established Premier League club. Have the most respect for him out of all the managers we've had in my lifetime.
Love Powell - just a great guy and done very well for us. Gave us some great memories after a terrible 7 years or so.
Always felt sorry for parky, was like that lovely girl that you go out with when you're still getting over an ex and you bad mouth them and treat them like dirt just because you're getting over your own issues when they've done nothing wrong. Then when you've finally gotten over the ex you realise you're a bastard and it's best to let them go for all concerned.
Lennie Lawrence - Loved Curbs - Loved - great tactically Les Reed - Pity - not a manager Iain Dowie - Pity - out of depth - clueless Phil Parkinson - Pity / Did best on limited budget Alan Pardew - Hate - arrogant - poor manager Chris Powell - Liked - great man / not perfect tactically Jose Riga - Liked - good tactically Bob Peeters - Like him a lot. Public comments hit right note. Shows passion. Promising start.
Lennie Lawrence - Presented me with a trophy once ("There you go lad, cop hold of this") and gave an excellent speech. His record at Charlton speaks for itself. If I had a criticism, it was how he always talked us down to the media - always along the lines of 'if we play our absolute best we might get something out of this game'.
Alan Curbishley - A breath of fresh air, along with Gritty when they first took over with a positivity that was a total contrast to that of LL. Again his record is fantastic and despite his West Ham connections he always came across as Charlton through and through to me. With the help of Colin Walsh he got Carl Leaburn scoring goals. Slightly annoyed that he never got the best out of Rohmmedahl who I was convinced would have been a roaring success as an out and out striker. Sneaky feeling the Parker problem might have been avoided had Curbs made him Captain at the start of that season (I seem to recall a whisper that Parker really wanted it - maybe that would've helped to sway his conscience).
Iain Dowie - would still love to know the full ins and outs of his sacking to make a fuller appraisal. Didn't think he was a good appointment at the time (wanted Davies) but thought that an even bigger mistake was appointing his backroom team for him.
Les Reed. Great guy and felt awful for him because he so desperately wanted to do well as a manager. His demise doesn't say too much about the professionalism of the players at the time who by all accounts gave him little or no respect.
Alan Pardew. Like everyone else was overjoyed when we got him and I still maintain that he would have kept us in the Championship had he not been sacked. With hindsight however it's easier to see his flaws, and I think he lost interest in Charlton after he was forced to sell Andy Reid. Unlike Dowie however, we can't say that he hasn't done well since he left.
Phil Parkinson. Terrible decision to appoint him, even more so keep him on after relegation. I know he had little to work with, but I thought his tactical ineptitude cost us way too many points in the relegation season when we still had some decent players. Count the number of points we lost after scoring first in games because we couldn't organise well enough to hold onto what we had. As a person, however, I thought he was excellent and he had at least tried unsuccessfully to persuade Pardew to keep Iwelumo
Chris Powell. Fabulous guy of course, and exactly the kind of person we needed at the time to give us our Charlton back. His motivational skills more than made up for his lack of tactical nous. He didn't deserve to be sacked, while at the same time it was the right thing to do because he wasn't going to dig us out. He was just the victim of a set of unfortunate circumstances that were beyond his control.
Pardew/parky season of 08/09, i only got to 6 games(lost all of them) because of work.(35 last season)
Richard Murray who could not put a foot wrong until Dowie became manager. Then could not put a foot right with Reed, Pardew (should of worked) and Parkinson.
Can you imagine in years to come, if the merits of our managers are being discussed and Bob Peeters is up there with Seed and Curbishley............ i'm getting ahead of myself, sorry.
Curbs - Loved, but from the day I started supporting Charlton as a 4 year old up until 18 I knew no different. Powell - Loved, favourite Charlton manager of them all. Pardew - Liked his passion. Don't really understand a lot of the dislike and hatred for him on here. Didn't do a great job for us, but a lot of the stuff I've heard about his character comes across as hearsay more than anything. Parky - Liked Reed - Reading away was the longest day of my life. Don't think we even managed a shot. Riga - Liked, came across as a gent Dowie - Barely remember him as Charlton manager Peeters - Like.
Lennie Lawrence - Did well in difficult circumstances but his team selection was shocking some times.
Alan Curbishley and Steve Gritt - Thought they did well with limited resources
Alan Curbishley - Probably the best we had but I didn't like the way we played towards the end of his time
Iain Dowie - Words fail me - everytime I see him on tv I shake my head
Les Reed - Shocking
Alan Pardew - Was in charge of the fire sale of players, never seemed to care to me
Phil Parkinson - Too inexperienced to sort out the sinking ship created by his predecessors.
Chris Powell - Although I want to love him as a manager - due to circumstances out of his control (pre Roland) last year was never going to be a good season for us which is a shame. I Hope he goes on to better things.
Jose Riga - I genuinely liked him but feel that maybe if he had stayed would I still be thinking that.
Bob Peeters - Too early to make a comment but I like the football we are playing.
Just reading through my comments it's a good job I sit far away from the dugouts !!
Parkinson should never have got the job, once in was on a hiding to nothing exposed by his boss who for the first time in his stewardship lost his voice and his accountability
Poor signings when others were available and his comments when talking to the best player we had produced at that time and his failure to include him in any plans to get us out of that shit league was un forgivable
Powell was a brilliant move at the time for all parties
Ended at the right time as it had stopped working
Curbs legend end of
Lennie legend
Dowie car crash waiting to happen but given no chance to fail properly
Pardont really thought he would succeed now I hate him so much
Frank Hill brought Firmani back from Italy...best ever move in my time.....probably Hill was one of the last of a breed of gentleman managers, heavy overcoat, smokers cough, god knows who did the training in those days., which involved running up and down the east terrace and playing five a side in the car park....hence the pot holes. Bob Stokoe brought Firmani back the second time I think and Firmani was a substitute at Palace one day and manager the next.....or maybe Im imagining that.
I think it was Jock Basford, who was also in charge of the youth players, well he was the one who told me I would never make it, (damn him, he was right).
Parkinson - Can't hate the man for being inept, in the words of BA Barracus - I pittied the fool.
Presided over the longest EVER run without a run. Played 38 players, mostly dud loans, in our relgation season. Has a track record of failure in anything above league 2.
Pardew went from Hero to Zero in a year having almost pulled off the great escape at Charlton only to mismanage and waste money in champions, as he does with every club he has ever mannaged, be it West Ham, Charlton or Newcastle. It seems that his squad hate him after that poeriod of time.
Frank Hill brought Firmani back from Italy...best ever move in my time.....probably Hill was one of the last of a breed of gentleman managers, heavy overcoat, smokers cough, god knows who did the training in those days., which involved running up and down the east terrace and playing five a side in the car park....hence the pot holes. Bob Stokoe brought Firmani back the second time I think and Firmani was a substitute at Palace one day and manager the next.....or maybe Im imagining that.
I think it was Jock Basford, who was also in charge of the youth players, well he was the one who told me I would never make it, (damn him, he was right).
I think Jack Shreeves may have still been around doubling up as the sponge and bucket man...together with an up and coming young Charlie Hall.....ahhh .....memories.
Lennie, Curbs, Powell true love! Pardew - extreme disappointment Disliked Dowie. Parky, Bailey, Riga liked Indifferent now to all the rest. (Should never have sacked Stokoe!)
Lennie: Inspirational leader, shrewd in the transfer market and great at 'resurrecting' players and getting the best out of them. 9/10
Curbs: Different sort of manager to Lennie, more the meticulous organizer than inspirational type but (until his last season) was also excellent in the transfer market. 9/10
Dowie: Bullshit artist. Got lucky at Palace with Andy Johnson and I knew in my gut he was the wrong man immediately. Shocking in the transfer market. 2/10
Pardew: The MASTER of Bullshit Masters. Makes Uri Geller look like a novice. Woeful tactician, bought/loaned more players than Barry Fry and a c--t of the highest order too. 1/10
Parkinson: Can't help but like Parky, was handed a shocking squad by Pardew (one central defender, Hudson) and the club was in freefall. With the club in crisis he did a fine job in 2009/10 - but once you are reduced to signing Pawel Abbott and Oxo McCormack your days are numbered. 7/10
Powell: His shocking first half of a season put into perspective what Parkinson was working with - dregs. Once backed he showed his quality and such a shame things ended the way they did. 7/10
Comments
I wondered who sold bailey,glover,bonzo and hinton.
if stokoe had a imput in the team of 67/68 then a different spin is needed,
We were always a selling club back then.
That was the raison D'etre of the Gliksten family for 50 years
Bob Curtis was the right back in that team, paul played in the early 80's.
Matt Tees was my first real Hero..........memories from the past.
Riga is probably a better manager than him, he is better tactically. Should not have taken the Blackpool job but maybe he likes a challenge.
Mike Bailey: Loved him and was gutted when he left just after getting us promoted!
Alan Mullery Overated, big mouth, self obsessed prick who did nothing for Charlton!
Ken Craggs: Never knew who he was and he didn`t get long enough to show everyone!
Lennie Lawrence: Loved him and still do because he kept my football club alive against all the odds!
Steve and Alan: A new start at Upton Park they did well, we didn`t know at the time that Curbs was the man!
Alan Curbishley..........If you don`t know by now, you never will!
Iain Dowie....: Don`t ever, ever mention that name again!
Les Reed: Forget it!
Alan Pardew: Hailed as the saviour, failed big time and ended up with an 8 year deal at Newcastle? WTF?
Parky: Pardew`s right hand man, difficult for him to win over the fans. Did okay in League 1 but shite football and dwindling crowds!
Chris Powell......Loved him as player, not sure about him as a manager. Had a great season in League 1 Champs winning year but again, shit football maybe due to the limited ability of the squad.
Jose Riga........Kept us up...........brilliant achievement considering we looked dead and buried after the Barnsley home game!
Bob(Big Bad)Peeters.....Love the way he has started and long may it continue!
bleacherreport.com/articles/579512-top-10-worst-managerial-reigns-in-english-football-history/page/8
(Shame the writer calls us Latics.)
Alan started to have England ambitions, a few started to question him.
He took us to places we can only dream about now.
The season Parker left on the last day of the Jan window we were 4th at the time.
Must be liked by all CAFC fans, maybe not loved because he was not demonstrative.
Chris Powell: Loved him as player, supported him as a manager. let me explain the difference.
Great season with new team win 1st division, one bad week when we lose 0-2 and 4-2 at home but no
problem, we get back on track. The only game that season i questioned him was the MK Dons
home game where we were 2-0 up at HT and mckenzie has been sent off.
The second half we played defensively, MK Dons with 10 men have most of play and match finishes 2-1
no major problem BUT.......
It was a sign of what was to come.
Birmingham away 1st game in Championship. we are 1-0 up and under no real pressure, as long as
Zigic, all 6ft 7in of him is kept out of the box. Play high line, he can,t hurt you, we drop deep he
scores in last min.
So home match at valley 1-0, Zigic still 6ft 7in comes on us sub and we drop deep, we concede.
If you have fast forwards or tricky forwards like brighton you play deep because they get in behind.
I'm sure this is not rocket science because if it was, Iain Dowie would have been our best manager and
not at the bottom of the pile with Les Reed.
detest the man now
As far as I can recall, he came in mid-season and somehow saved us from certain relegation when we'd looked dead and buried, culminating in winning away on the last day of the season against Walsall - a match that we were losing when it was originally abandoned; we would have been relegated if that had been a result. Walsall were relegated instead.
The following season we finished 4th.
He had star player, defender Marvin Hinton sold under him, to Chelsea.
The next season, brilliant midfielder and skipper Mike Bailey was capped by England - and soon after flogged to top flight Wolves for big money.
And then he brought back Italian international and ex-Charlton legendary striker Eddie Firmani.
A player with terrific touch, vision and movement - and who could score wonder goals.
Tiger Hill created a team that scored goals for fun, but one poor start to a season and he was fired.
And in came Bob Stokoe.
Despite this we were 5th when he left us, a couple of points off the playoffs - Powell finished the season in 13th including some dreadful performances. If we thought Swindon at home under Parky was bad nothing prepared us for Dagenham away under Powell !
Hate Pardew because he was an arrogant Palace loving arse hole.
Liked Parky because he seemed like a hardworking, genuine chap just wrong place wrong time for him.
Loved Curbs because of what he did for us turning us into an established Premier League club. Have the most respect for him out of all the managers we've had in my lifetime.
Love Powell - just a great guy and done very well for us. Gave us some great memories after a terrible 7 years or so.
Curbs - Loved - great tactically
Les Reed - Pity - not a manager
Iain Dowie - Pity - out of depth - clueless
Phil Parkinson - Pity / Did best on limited budget
Alan Pardew - Hate - arrogant - poor manager
Chris Powell - Liked - great man / not perfect tactically
Jose Riga - Liked - good tactically
Bob Peeters - Like him a lot. Public comments hit right note. Shows passion. Promising start.
Alan Curbishley - A breath of fresh air, along with Gritty when they first took over with a positivity that was a total contrast to that of LL. Again his record is fantastic and despite his West Ham connections he always came across as Charlton through and through to me. With the help of Colin Walsh he got Carl Leaburn scoring goals. Slightly annoyed that he never got the best out of Rohmmedahl who I was convinced would have been a roaring success as an out and out striker. Sneaky feeling the Parker problem might have been avoided had Curbs made him Captain at the start of that season (I seem to recall a whisper that Parker really wanted it - maybe that would've helped to sway his conscience).
Iain Dowie - would still love to know the full ins and outs of his sacking to make a fuller appraisal. Didn't think he was a good appointment at the time (wanted Davies) but thought that an even bigger mistake was appointing his backroom team for him.
Les Reed. Great guy and felt awful for him because he so desperately wanted to do well as a manager. His demise doesn't say too much about the professionalism of the players at the time who by all accounts gave him little or no respect.
Alan Pardew. Like everyone else was overjoyed when we got him and I still maintain that he would have kept us in the Championship had he not been sacked. With hindsight however it's easier to see his flaws, and I think he lost interest in Charlton after he was forced to sell Andy Reid. Unlike Dowie however, we can't say that he hasn't done well since he left.
Phil Parkinson. Terrible decision to appoint him, even more so keep him on after relegation. I know he had little to work with, but I thought his tactical ineptitude cost us way too many points in the relegation season when we still had some decent players. Count the number of points we lost after scoring first in games because we couldn't organise well enough to hold onto what we had. As a person, however, I thought he was excellent and he had at least tried unsuccessfully to persuade Pardew to keep Iwelumo
Chris Powell. Fabulous guy of course, and exactly the kind of person we needed at the time to give us our Charlton back. His motivational skills more than made up for his lack of tactical nous. He didn't deserve to be sacked, while at the same time it was the right thing to do because he wasn't going to dig us out. He was just the victim of a set of unfortunate circumstances that were beyond his control.
Pardew/parky season of 08/09, i only got to 6 games(lost all of them) because of work.(35 last season)
Richard Murray who could not put a foot wrong until Dowie became manager.
Then could not put a foot right with Reed, Pardew (should of worked) and Parkinson.
Can you imagine in years to come, if the merits of our managers are being discussed and Bob Peeters is up there
with Seed and Curbishley............ i'm getting ahead of myself, sorry.
Powell - Loved, favourite Charlton manager of them all.
Pardew - Liked his passion. Don't really understand a lot of the dislike and hatred for him on here. Didn't do a great job for us, but a lot of the stuff I've heard about his character comes across as hearsay more than anything.
Parky - Liked
Reed - Reading away was the longest day of my life. Don't think we even managed a shot.
Riga - Liked, came across as a gent
Dowie - Barely remember him as Charlton manager
Peeters - Like.
Alan Mullery - Hated him, just in it for himself
Ken Craggs - Useless
Lennie Lawrence - Did well in difficult circumstances but his team selection was shocking some times.
Alan Curbishley and Steve Gritt - Thought they did well with limited resources
Alan Curbishley - Probably the best we had but I didn't like the way we played towards the end of his time
Iain Dowie - Words fail me - everytime I see him on tv I shake my head
Les Reed - Shocking
Alan Pardew - Was in charge of the fire sale of players, never seemed to care to me
Phil Parkinson - Too inexperienced to sort out the sinking ship created by his predecessors.
Chris Powell - Although I want to love him as a manager - due to circumstances out of his control (pre Roland) last year was never going to be a good season for us which is a shame. I Hope he goes on to better things.
Jose Riga - I genuinely liked him but feel that maybe if he had stayed would I still be thinking that.
Bob Peeters - Too early to make a comment but I like the football we are playing.
Just reading through my comments it's a good job I sit far away from the dugouts !!
Poor signings when others were available and his comments when talking to the best player we had produced at that time and his failure to include him in any plans to get us out of that shit league was un forgivable
Powell was a brilliant move at the time for all parties
Ended at the right time as it had stopped working
Curbs legend end of
Lennie legend
Dowie car crash waiting to happen but given no chance to fail properly
Pardont really thought he would succeed now I hate him so much
Presided over the longest EVER run without a run.
Played 38 players, mostly dud loans, in our relgation season.
Has a track record of failure in anything above league 2.
Pardew went from Hero to Zero in a year having almost pulled off the great escape at Charlton only to mismanage and waste money in champions, as he does with every club he has ever mannaged, be it West Ham, Charlton or Newcastle. It seems that his squad hate him after that poeriod of time.
Pardew - extreme disappointment
Disliked Dowie.
Parky, Bailey, Riga liked
Indifferent now to all the rest. (Should never have sacked Stokoe!)
Lennie: Inspirational leader, shrewd in the transfer market and great at 'resurrecting' players and getting the best out of them. 9/10
Curbs: Different sort of manager to Lennie, more the meticulous organizer than inspirational type but (until his last season) was also excellent in the transfer market. 9/10
Dowie: Bullshit artist. Got lucky at Palace with Andy Johnson and I knew in my gut he was the wrong man immediately. Shocking in the transfer market. 2/10
Pardew: The MASTER of Bullshit Masters. Makes Uri Geller look like a novice. Woeful tactician, bought/loaned more players than Barry Fry and a c--t of the highest order too. 1/10
Parkinson: Can't help but like Parky, was handed a shocking squad by Pardew (one central defender, Hudson) and the club was in freefall. With the club in crisis he did a fine job in 2009/10 - but once you are reduced to signing Pawel Abbott and Oxo McCormack your days are numbered. 7/10
Powell: His shocking first half of a season put into perspective what Parkinson was working with - dregs. Once backed he showed his quality and such a shame things ended the way they did. 7/10
Riga: Short but sweet. 6/10