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Should I eat meat? - Horizon 9pm Monday 18th

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  • edited November 2014
    Can we just sort this out the oldest way there is.

    Vegetarians how big and strong can you get? Purely on a vegan diet. Let's be honest you're failed Vegans.

    Meat Eaters how big and strong can you get? Purely on a meat diet. Let's be honest animals taste better than sprouts.

    FIGHT!!!!!

    You'll both fail in the eyes of many as overall unless you eat a healthy balanced diet that includes both meats and veggies you'll die too old or too young.

    In uber simple terms:

    Veggie/Vegan - Do I want to live to 110? Nah I'll be a drain on the economy and a waste of space what could I offer?

    Meat only - Do I want to live past 60 yes. I could still offer a lot to the world. I could probably still work till I'm 80 or over should I want to.
  • Oggy Red said:

    Anyone doing a Meat Free Monday, today?

    Oh shit missed that, I have just had lamb kebabs, honey roasted ham, beef tenderloin and a heap load of shellfish and sashimi.

    I love buffets!
    I am so jealous!
  • Every Monday is meat-free for me. And Tuesdays. And Wednesdays. Etc etc. :-D
  • The mrs is a veggie and she gets ill alot more than I do. She refuses to believe, even a little bit, that it could be down to diet and her lack of protein etc.

    Her reason for not eating meat is crap aswell, her mum used to burn it all the time when she was younger.
  • Been veggie nearly twenty years and I'm hardly ever ill.
  • Been veggie nearly twenty years and I'm hardly ever ill.

    Glad to hear it......you'll understand that I certainly won't be feeding your response back to her.
  • Fiiiiiish said:

    The mrs is a veggie and she gets ill alot more than I do. She refuses to believe, even a little bit, that it could be down to diet and her lack of protein etc.

    Her reason for not eating meat is crap aswell, her mum used to burn it all the time when she was younger.

    That's an awful excuse!

    Slip some beef mince into a Quorn chilli and see whether she enjoys it.
  • edited November 2014
    Been dropping bits of chicken into the stir fry "This is nice, is it a new sauce?".....as much as I want to reveal the masterplan now, I have to be patient.

    And she doesn't eat quorn or imitation meat either... "if it looks like a sausage and tastes like one and smells like one, i may aswell just eat a sausage"...playing the mind games.
  • Dazzler21 said:


    Meat only - Do I want to live past 60 yes. I could still offer a lot to the world. I could probably still work till I'm 80 or over should I want to.

    If you live long enough, looks like you'll have to!

  • I'm much more healthy than I deserve to be. Any diet should be balanced and veggies are no exception. But I'll wager my cholersterol levels beats 95% of non veggies ( 3.1) and my that blood alcohol levels are higher than 80% of imbibers :-) (don't ask)
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  • What is the point of Quorn? You want to eat something that tastes like meat but is not meat? Bit like drinking alcohol free lager, you are just kidding yourself. I gave up meat for 8 months and broke at Christmas when I couldn't miss out on the roast turkey. Us meat eaters have the best of both worlds. And another thing that gets me is vegetarians that are quite happy to wear leather!! In the words of Bill Hicks "if meat is murder, murder tastes pretty damn good!"
  • edited November 2014
    1StevieG said:

    What is the point of Quorn? You want to eat something that tastes like meat but is not meat? Bit like drinking alcohol free lager, you are just kidding yourself. I gave up meat for 8 months and broke at Christmas when I couldn't miss out on the roast turkey. Us meat eaters have the best of both worlds. And another thing that gets me is vegetarians that are quite happy to wear leather!! In the words of Bill Hicks "if meat is murder, murder tastes pretty damn good!"

    http://wills-vegan-shoes.com/

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevlar
  • 1StevieG said:

    In the words of Bill Hicks "if meat is murder, murder tastes pretty damn good!"

    Didn't Bill Hicks die young? ;)

  • Quorn is brilliant for meat eaters who can't eat meat for health reasons plus it's much lower in calories that meat so helps dieters.
  • Been veggie nearly twenty years and I'm hardly ever ill.

    Me too.
    God knows how you are a veggie where you live.
  • Been veggie nearly twenty years and I'm hardly ever ill.

    Me too.
    God knows how you are a veggie where you live.

    I'm only as far north as York, not the Shetlands ;-) seriously though, Yorkshire is very meat-centric but I do manage quite easily and it helps that I like to cook. I'm not going to fade away any time soon.
  • Salad by name, salad by nature eh ;-) I make you right on the protein though, such a meat-industry lie that dead flesh is the only decent source of protein. Maybe someone should tell a silver back gorilla or hippo that they're lacking.
  • There's very few certainties in life but one thing I do know is that I will never eat meat again in my life. It is an alien concept to me now.

    But…you're up north?! How do you get away with that?
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  • edited November 2014

    There's very few certainties in life but one thing I do know is that I will never eat meat again in my life. It is an alien concept to me now.

    But…you're up north?! How do you get away with that?

    Tis a challenge. The natives eye me suspiciously undoubtedly. If you recall how the people of Hartlepool hung that monkey because they feared it was a French spy, well I feel like that monkey. I'm expecting the mob with pitchforks to turn up at any time.
  • There's very few certainties in life but one thing I do know is that I will never eat meat again in my life. It is an alien concept to me now.

    But…you're up north?! How do you get away with that?

    Tis a challenge. The natives eye me suspiciously undoubtedly. If you recall how the people of Hartlepool hung that monkey because they feared it was a French spy, well I feel like that monkey. I'm expecting the mob with pitchforks to turn up at any time.
    In that case mate better keep your shirt on tonight!
  • RedChaser said:

    There's very few certainties in life but one thing I do know is that I will never eat meat again in my life. It is an alien concept to me now.

    But…you're up north?! How do you get away with that?

    Tis a challenge. The natives eye me suspiciously undoubtedly. If you recall how the people of Hartlepool hung that monkey because they feared it was a French spy, well I feel like that monkey. I'm expecting the mob with pitchforks to turn up at any time.
    In that case mate better keep your shirt on tonight!

    I follow a strict body grooming regime RC, I don't actually look like a monkey with my clothes off ;-)
  • Salad said:

    Been veggie nearly twenty years and I'm hardly ever ill.

    Me too.
    God knows how you are a veggie where you live.
    It is only in the modern western world that eating meat daily has become 'normal'
    Apart from Tibet, as mentioned earlier, and probably lots of others with the same climate...
  • Salad said:

    Been veggie nearly twenty years and I'm hardly ever ill.

    Me too.
    God knows how you are a veggie where you live.
    Ditto, I've been veggie most of my life, nearly 50 now and not had a sick day in my 40s, ran London Marathon in 2:54 this year, so certainly fit and healthy. It is only in the modern western world that eating meat daily has become 'normal', it isn't necessary, far from it - it's responsible for a lot of major illness. More than enough protein in beans, lentils, nuts, seeds, peas, eggs, rice/quinoa, yoghurt, milk, cheese - even leafy greens have a fair bit.
    But meat tastes so much better than all that boring crap.

    Most foods have proteins in them, however I'd rather a beef burger than a tofu or quorn burger...

    I have no issue with you all being veggies but to say 'the protein quality being higher in meats is a myth', is a myth itself. The proteins are equally good but the surrounding nutrients and fats are the difference.

    The options you offer are generally lower in 'unhealthy' fats though which is beneficial especially as they generally have more 'healthy' fats which can help burn 'unhealthy' fats.

    All this food talk is making me hungry.

    I do quite enjoy the odd quorn mince chilli, which is being served in the work canteen today!
  • "....dead flesh is the only decent source of protein. Maybe someone should tell a silver back gorilla"

    This is why I get pissed off with vegetarians. I don't think there's anything wrong if you want to refrain from eating meat. I object when a vegetarian tries to justify their lifestyle by suggesting it's abnormal to eat meat. I could eat "live" flesh I suppose but it would be less digestible and killing an animal between my teeth would be cruel. Putting a cow to sleep is no more cruel than when I had our dog put too sleep. The only difference is that I would eat the cow and bury the dog as long as I didn't get them mixed up.

    "Maybe someone should tell a silver back gorilla or hippo that they're lacking."
    Gorillas have a gut designed to process only vegetable matter, they would die if they tried to eat meat. Humans have an appendix which is the remnant of what gorillas posses in their digestive system to break down cellulose. If humans evolved to only eat leaves like gorillas why did the means of our body processing cellulose disappear? Humans can eat what grows, swims and runs and are not restricted to a specific diet. like most animals. That is why we can have vegetarians and meat eaters, but it's only vegetarians that want to argue about whether we should be one or the other.

    Get over it, you are in a minority. If you become a majority then meat eaters can have a turn at bleating about vegetarians not understanding how cruel it is to eat carrots still alive with their roots and leaves on.
  • i would happily eat roasted Guardianistsas ----BBQd on Blackheath-----would be like eating lettuce as they havnt got a back bone or blood in their veins.

    actually i dont eat meat two days a week now life style rather than moral in truth.
  • actually i dont eat meat two days a week now life style rather than moral in truth.

    it would be good if more people took this approach
    Dazzler21 said:

    But meat tastes so much better ... to say 'the protein quality being higher in meats is a myth', is a myth itself.

    I like my food but agree that I sacrifice some degree of taste by being veggie ... and I'm not saying one type of protein is of higher quality than another, I have no idea.
  • "....dead flesh is the only decent source of protein. Maybe someone should tell a silver back gorilla"

    This is why I get pissed off with vegetarians. I don't think there's anything wrong if you want to refrain from eating meat. I object when a vegetarian tries to justify their lifestyle by suggesting it's abnormal to eat meat. I could eat "live" flesh I suppose but it would be less digestible and killing an animal between my teeth would be cruel. Putting a cow to sleep is no more cruel than when I had our dog put too sleep. The only difference is that I would eat the cow and bury the dog as long as I didn't get them mixed up.

    "Maybe someone should tell a silver back gorilla or hippo that they're lacking."
    Gorillas have a gut designed to process only vegetable matter, they would die if they tried to eat meat. Humans have an appendix which is the remnant of what gorillas posses in their digestive system to break down cellulose. If humans evolved to only eat leaves like gorillas why did the means of our body processing cellulose disappear? Humans can eat what grows, swims and runs and are not restricted to a specific diet. like most animals. That is why we can have vegetarians and meat eaters, but it's only vegetarians that want to argue about whether we should be one or the other.

    Get over it, you are in a minority. If you become a majority then meat eaters can have a turn at bleating about vegetarians not understanding how cruel it is to eat carrots still alive with their roots and leaves on.



    So I make a flippant thirteen word comment and it gets dissected into this reply. Tell me again who the 'militant' is ;-)
  • Sorry, I got bored this afternoon and the veggie thread popped up.
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