Ranking the London clubs in order of size
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Arsenal have won far more trophies overall though. And Ebbsfleet are richer than us...The Red Robin said:
Only if you base it purely on attendances. Chelsea are richer and have won plenty more trophies in the last few years. Again, all depends on personal criteria.C_A_F_C said:
Arsenal still had higher attendances than us during that period, they've always been London's biggest club.cantersaddick said:In the forties and fifties we would have been top of the list! Wonder if there is a Charlton life archive from back then!
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Fulham just because I have seen them as a stable club for a long time in the prem. Whereas west ham is often a circus. They haven't been anything to note in years.Sonicstud85 said:
I'd be intrested to know what you base it on to have QPR and Fulham above West Ham?dizzee said:1. Arsenal
2. Chelsea
3. Tottenham
4. QPR
5. Fulham
6. West Ham
7. Charlton
8. Millwall
9. Crystal Palace
10. Brentford
11. Orient
12. Wimbledon
13. Barnet
And QPR because their brand image is becoming larger and larger across the world, and I can see that their potential and future plans make them a big club in my head and I can see they're going in the 'right' direction to become big.1 -
1. Chelsea
2. Arsenal
3. Spurs
4. Palace
5. West Ham
6. Fulham
7. QPR
8. Charlton
9. Millwall
10. Brentford
11. Orient
12. Wimbledon
13. Barnet
You're only as big as your last season.
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Finding out whether the stadia pass the CL height test is really tricky. So far, the only one I've got is the Emirates which is 41.466m tall.0
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Bigger "club".ValleyGary said:Palace are currently a bigger club than us if you like it or not.
That's only three letters different -and four for the collective noun - compared to what I had in mind ,liking it or not.
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I've tried to add a few criteria in and rank according to these. Not ideal, but better than guessing I think. I don't think it's quite there though, there are other criteria that could be considered and in particular I think having last season's league position will give quite big fluctuations - maybe a ten season average as someone above did with attendances would be better.
By this table, Charlton come below Fulham, QPR and the Glaziers. Notwithstanding concerns about my methodology it does be the question, are we all over estimating the size of our club?
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1. Arsenal
-. Chelsea
3. Tottenham
4. West Ham
5.QPR
6. The Mighty CAFC
7. Fulham
8. Brentford
9. Orient
10. The Nigels
11. Barnet
12. Afc Wimbledon
13. The Spanners1 -
Good table and stats, but You've left out dagenham and redbridge and you have put AFC Wimbledon has having won a major trophy.
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QPR are bigger than us and Fulham's premiership tenure puts them above us (but it is the only thing)
Sadly Palace edge it due to current league standings but they are still a bunch of total cheeses.1 -
Arsenal
Chelsea
Tottenham
West Ham
Palace
Charlton
Fulham
QPR
Brentford
Orient0 -
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QPR bigger than us? Very debatable, but okay. QPR bigger than West Ham? Behave.dizzee said:1. Arsenal
2. Chelsea
3. Tottenham
4. QPR
5. Fulham
6. West Ham
7. Charlton
8. Millwall
9. Crystal Palace
10. Brentford
11. Orient
12. Wimbledon
13. Barnet4 -
Arsenal
Chelsea
Tottenham
West Ham
Charlton
QPR
Palace
Fulham
Millwall
Orient
Brentford
Barnet
Dagenham
Palace for me stay below us until they exceed our number of years in the top division and have a major trophy to show as well. History goes back further than 2013.3 -
Correct. Historically it's a no though. Same with Fulham and QPR.ValleyGary said:Palace are currently a bigger club than us if you like it or not.
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Oops - didn't even consider Dagenham, Smudge. I just copied someone else's list from above.
Yes, Wimbledon won the FA Cup in 1988.
I did miss out a few cups from other teams. The Intertoto has been won by Fulham (once) and West Ham (twice), but I didn't consider it major enough. Similarly victories in the Full Members Cup and the like weren't counted.0 -
Spot on. Two seasons in the Prem means nothing. Look at Wigan.MartinhoCAFC said:Arsenal
Chelsea
Tottenham
West Ham
Charlton
QPR
Palace
Fulham
Millwall
Orient
Brentford
Barnet
Dagenham
Palace for me stay below us until they exceed our number of years in the top division and have a major trophy to show as well. History goes back further than 2013.0 -
Like I said, it's not one criteria is it?C_A_F_C said:
Arsenal have won far more trophies overall though. And Ebbsfleet are richer than us...The Red Robin said:
Only if you base it purely on attendances. Chelsea are richer and have won plenty more trophies in the last few years. Again, all depends on personal criteria.C_A_F_C said:
Arsenal still had higher attendances than us during that period, they've always been London's biggest club.cantersaddick said:In the forties and fifties we would have been top of the list! Wonder if there is a Charlton life archive from back then!
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Factor in stadia, quality of, ease of access, atmosphere, sightlines, geographical position in London.
In that context we are better than Tottenham as their lovely old ground is creaking, and it's virtually in Scotland. Selhurst Park as a stadium is infinitely more depressing than Leyton Orient (unfair on Orient actually as that is a great awayday, MUCH more palatable than a visit to Stamford Bridge).
So according to my new rules we have:
The old Highbury...which does not count any more.
Craven Cottage
The Valley
West Ham
Brisbane Road
Wimbledon
QPR
Chelsea
Tottenham
The Emirates
Brentford
Watford
Millwall...would be just above Brisbane road if they had the old Den.
Barnet
Dulwich Hamlet
Selhurst Park
Dagenham
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Are Swansea ans Stoke currently bigger than Leeds United? Deary dear.
Arsenal
Chelsea (jumping above Spurs in the last 10 years)
Spurs
West Ham
Charlton
Palace
Qpr
Fulham
Brentford
Leyton Orient
Afc Wimbledon
Dagenham & Redbridge
Barnet
Dulwich Hamlet
Fisher
Millwall4 -
If you are going to judge on nothing more than the last three seasons. On that basis Wigan and Burnley are both bigger than the Massives. LOL.PL54 said:QPR are bigger than us and Fulham's premiership tenure puts them above us (but it is the only thing)
Sadly Palace edge it due to current league standings but they are still a bunch of total cheeses.0 -
No they didn't win the F.A cup. That was an entirely different team. You have AFC Wimbledons biggest spend as 25k, rather than the 7.5 million the previous Wimbledon club paid for John Hartson.Stig said:Oops - didn't even consider Dagenham, Smudge. I just copied someone else's list from above.
Yes, Wimbledon won the FA Cup in 1988.
I did miss out a few cups from other teams. The Intertoto has been won by Fulham (once) and West Ham (twice), but I didn't consider it major enough. Similarly victories in the Full Members Cup and the like weren't counted.
If F.A cup wins by defunct clubs are up for grabs; on behalf of Charlton I bagsy the six F.A cups won by The Wanderers in the 19th century, which should put us in the top four in the ranking.0 -
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Don't think current or recent league standing comes into it - Leeds have been struggling below the Prem for years now but no one would argue about them being bigger than nearly every club in the football league and half the Prem, despite the fact I largely detest them.4
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Swap qpr for Fulham and orient for Brentford and that's minesam3110 said:Arse
Chelski
Spuds
Wet Spam
Us
Palarse
Fulham
QPR
Millwank
Brentford
Orient
Dons
Barnet
I know 5th is high, but we've spent more seasons in the top flight, have a bigger and better stadium than the 3 teams immediately below, and have won the FA Cup0 -
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Arsenal
Chelsea (currently)
Spurs (historically 2nd)
WHam
Charlton
Fulham
QPR
Nigels
Spanners
Brentford
Orient
Wimbledon
Barnet
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Definitely bigger than QPR.0
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I think 3. Spurs and 4. West Ham are the only definite ones. I think Arsenal are No1 and Chelsea No2, but there could be arguments for that to be reversed. I suppose a lot depends on how far back you go.0
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Thank you @stig for summarising the numbers so clearly. Your table illustrates what I was trying to say earlier - a few good seasons at the Valley and we could see us fifth with Premier League football but still keeping our record signing at <£5M. Perhaps the rest of London buys the media image with zero coverage in the standard and the last five seasons in League 1 or struggling in the Championship (aside from the last few games in each season). We have the ground and now we have the finance to pull away from Millwall and Brentford.0
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I'd say there are 3 tiers and the positions of the clubs in each generally fluctuate dependent on short term success. We're in the 2nd tier with Palace, QPR and Fulham. At the height of Curbs' success, could we claim to have been challenging WHU???
Remember around that time the board were talking about making us the 'biggest club south of the Thames'. Hope the current owner has the same ambition, as south of the Thames is well north of Liege!0 -
We ARE the biggest club south of the Thames!stevietwells said:I'd say there are 3 tiers and the positions of the clubs in each generally fluctuate dependent on short term success. We're in the 2nd tier with Palace, QPR and Fulham. At the height of Curbs' success, could we claim to have been challenging WHU???
Remember around that time the board were talking about making us the 'biggest club south of the Thames'. Hope the current owner has the same ambition, as south of the Thames is well north of Liege!1
