There is no reason to believe that a good percentage of our new players won't be from Britain. IMHO.
Really? Who was the last player from Britain RD signed on a permanent deal for the first team?
Hasn't signed a Brazilian either, the bloke obviously hasn't got a clue
Might be relevant if we were a Brazilian club.
If you were to pick your ultimate dream team, how many British players would you have in it?
My concern isn't with nationalities, but with qualities.
My point is, we're and English club and that should be represented on the pitch. It's part of our identity. You'd genuinely be happy with no academy players and a match squad full of foreign players every week?
There is no reason to believe that a good percentage of our new players won't be from Britain. IMHO.
Really? Who was the last player from Britain RD signed on a permanent deal for the first team?
Hasn't signed a Brazilian either, the bloke obviously hasn't got a clue
Might be relevant if we were a Brazilian club.
If you were to pick your ultimate dream team, how many British players would you have in it?
My concern isn't with nationalities, but with qualities.
My point is, we're and English club and that should be represented on the pitch. It's part of our identity. You'd genuinely be happy with no academy players and a match squad full of foreign players every week?
But that is not the case, we have had more academy players then i can remember in the first team last season and will have more according to our new head coach.
Im of the attitude, if they don't come from our academy, they can come from 50 miles away or 5 thousand miles away, they have an equal opportunity to become a Charlton hero.
So he has mentioned the Academy players to be looked at and to bring in players but nothing about the players whose contracts are due to expire nothing about getting them signed up for the challenge that lays ahead !
There is no reason to believe that a good percentage of our new players won't be from Britain. IMHO.
Really? Who was the last player from Britain RD signed on a permanent deal for the first team?
Hasn't signed a Brazilian either, the bloke obviously hasn't got a clue
Might be relevant if we were a Brazilian club.
If you were to pick your ultimate dream team, how many British players would you have in it?
My concern isn't with nationalities, but with qualities.
My point is, we're and English club and that should be represented on the pitch. It's part of our identity. You'd genuinely be happy with no academy players and a match squad full of foreign players every week?
Gretna sums it up perfectly above.
Plus, if foreign labor tends to be cheaper for same / similar skill levels, why not have 2 10 goal a season strikers born and raised in Belgium, rather than 1 15 goal a season striker born and raised in Birmingham (Especially as their English would most likely be better)
I think the point about British players is that they are more likely to have an understanding of English football, and won't need the time to adapt. I'm all for having players of different nationalities, I would just rather they had some experience of playing in England.
Last few games of the last season we had as many academy/ex-academy products playing as not - and most of those are still contracted for another year at least, not to mention the likes of Gomez tipped to make an impact and Aherne-Grant is clearly well thought of, though not ready yet to be thrown in at the deep end.
Throwing out the Charlton identity and replacing the team with a bunch of mercenaries from all points of the globe would be terrible... but despite constant repetition it isn't even close to happening yet. Reza and Nego both signed permanently for the club, they are Charlton players, nationality is irrelevant. AA and Thuram were loanees, one more successful than the other but in neither case was their quality in any way contingent upon nationality.
There is no reason to believe that a good percentage of our new players won't be from Britain. IMHO.
Really? Who was the last player from Britain RD signed on a permanent deal for the first team?
Hasn't signed a Brazilian either, the bloke obviously hasn't got a clue
Might be relevant if we were a Brazilian club.
If you were to pick your ultimate dream team, how many British players would you have in it?
My concern isn't with nationalities, but with qualities.
My point is, we're and English club and that should be represented on the pitch. It's part of our identity. You'd genuinely be happy with no academy players and a match squad full of foreign players every week?
But that is not the case, we have had more academy players then i can remember in the first team last season and will have more according to our new head coach.
Im of the attitude, if they don't come from our academy, they can come from 50 miles away or 5 thousand miles away, they have an equal opportunity to become a Charlton hero.
Yes, that is exactly my point. I'd wouldn't feel the same cheering on a team of foreign players. I look at Man City when they have one Englishman playing every week and just think how bad it is for the English game and I think there is something a bit more special about winning trophies with a British core. Look at Utd in the 90s. A much better achievement for so many reasons.
There is no reason to believe that a good percentage of our new players won't be from Britain. IMHO.
Really? Who was the last player from Britain RD signed on a permanent deal for the first team?
Hasn't signed a Brazilian either, the bloke obviously hasn't got a clue
Might be relevant if we were a Brazilian club.
If you were to pick your ultimate dream team, how many British players would you have in it?
My concern isn't with nationalities, but with qualities.
My point is, we're and English club and that should be represented on the pitch. It's part of our identity. You'd genuinely be happy with no academy players and a match squad full of foreign players every week?
But that is not the case, we have had more academy players then i can remember in the first team last season and will have more according to our new head coach.
Im of the attitude, if they don't come from our academy, they can come from 50 miles away or 5 thousand miles away, they have an equal opportunity to become a Charlton hero.
Yes, that is exactly my point. I'd wouldn't feel the same cheering on a team of foreign players. I look at Man City when they have one Englishman playing every week and just think how bad it is for the English game and I think there is something a bit more special about winning trophies with a British core. Look at Utd in the 90s. A much better achievement for so many reasons.
I can understand that view, i just never really had that attitude.
A team filled with academy players is the dream im sure nearly every football fan wishes to watch but after that i really don't understand in 2014 why English players from whatever part of the country is an automatic plus, when they often show just as much so called mercenery behaviour as foreign players.
I wanna see our best academy players learning from the highest quality players we can sign, so they can hopefully become a team that brings us nice football to watch as fans combined with a bit of success.
The world is a small place now, so let them come from whatever part of the earth they wish as i have never had trouble to relate to so many of my Charlton heroes who are not English.
There is no reason to believe that a good percentage of our new players won't be from Britain. IMHO.
Really? Who was the last player from Britain RD signed on a permanent deal for the first team?
Hasn't signed a Brazilian either, the bloke obviously hasn't got a clue
Might be relevant if we were a Brazilian club.
If you were to pick your ultimate dream team, how many British players would you have in it?
My concern isn't with nationalities, but with qualities.
My point is, we're and English club and that should be represented on the pitch. It's part of our identity. You'd genuinely be happy with no academy players and a match squad full of foreign players every week?
But that is not the case, we have had more academy players then i can remember in the first team last season and will have more according to our new head coach.
Im of the attitude, if they don't come from our academy, they can come from 50 miles away or 5 thousand miles away, they have an equal opportunity to become a Charlton hero.
Yes, that is exactly my point. I'd wouldn't feel the same cheering on a team of foreign players. I look at Man City when they have one Englishman playing every week and just think how bad it is for the English game and I think there is something a bit more special about winning trophies with a British core. Look at Utd in the 90s. A much better achievement for so many reasons.
I can understand that view, i just never really had that attitude.
A team filled with academy players is the dream im sure nearly every football fan wishes to watch but after that i really don't understand in 2014 why English players from whatever part of the country is an automatic plus, when they often show just as much so called mercenery behaviour as foreign players.
I wanna see our best academy players learning from the highest quality players we can sign, so they can hopefully become a team that brings us nice football to watch as fans combined with a bit of success.
The world is a small place now, so let them come from whatever part of the world they wish as i have never had trouble to relate to so many of my Charlton heroes who are not English.
I don't mind foreign players, I just don't want a team full of them.
Some of our greatest ever players were from overseas. Our academy will be even more important for us in the future and looks in safe hands at first team level with Peeters. Seems to me some posters are looking for an argument for arguments sake.
There is no reason to believe that a good percentage of our new players won't be from Britain. IMHO.
Really? Who was the last player from Britain RD signed on a permanent deal for the first team?
Hasn't signed a Brazilian either, the bloke obviously hasn't got a clue
Might be relevant if we were a Brazilian club.
If you were to pick your ultimate dream team, how many British players would you have in it?
My concern isn't with nationalities, but with qualities.
My point is, we're and English club and that should be represented on the pitch. It's part of our identity. You'd genuinely be happy with no academy players and a match squad full of foreign players every week?
But that is not the case, we have had more academy players then i can remember in the first team last season and will have more according to our new head coach.
Im of the attitude, if they don't come from our academy, they can come from 50 miles away or 5 thousand miles away, they have an equal opportunity to become a Charlton hero.
Yes, that is exactly my point. I'd wouldn't feel the same cheering on a team of foreign players. I look at Man City when they have one Englishman playing every week and just think how bad it is for the English game and I think there is something a bit more special about winning trophies with a British core. Look at Utd in the 90s. A much better achievement for so many reasons.
I can understand that view, i just never really had that attitude.
A team filled with academy players is the dream im sure nearly every football fan wishes to watch but after that i really don't understand in 2014 why English players from whatever part of the country is an automatic plus, when they often show just as much so called mercenery behaviour as foreign players.
I wanna see our best academy players learning from the highest quality players we can sign, so they can hopefully become a team that brings us nice football to watch as fans combined with a bit of success.
The world is a small place now, so let them come from whatever part of the world they wish as i have never had trouble to relate to so many of my Charlton heroes who are not English.
I don't mind foreign players, I just don't want a team full of them.
But it is (fairly) clear that the ultimate plan is to develop and play our own youngsters on a regular basis.
Diego Poyet is one of our youngsters, but qualifies also for Spain and Uruguay..... Where do you sit with the potential that some of 'our' youngsters in future will not be British...and therefore, infact, a team full of 'home-grown' foreigners
I would much rather a team sourced entirely from the Academy but that is not going to happen. I would much rather not spend money on mercenaries. We have had enough of them in the past. M. Bent, Faye, Traore etc. If we are going for players outside our Academy I would be looking to recruit the best young players from div1 and 2. These players would have something to prove and wages would be not so much of a problem.
Interesting piece. To an extent Bob Peeters has provided us with a checklist with which to judge him. Of course many of the judgements will be subjective, but as far as I can tell Bob says judge me on:
Organization on and off the pitch. Everybody working hard and clear about what they have to do. 'Good' players will be brought in. Academy prospects will get their chance. A passing game where chances are created. Knowledge of the demands of the Championship. Players will have strength and pace and a 'good attitude'. Aiming for the premier league.
So, we will not see poor slow lazy players with a rubbish attitude playing disorganised hoofball. Football which shows no awareness of the requirements of Championship standards, and we will get points.
I will leave out team selection and the timing of substitutions and plan B's etc for after game analysis by us all.
Bob has, as they say, set out his stall. Now he needs to make it work.
Of the players under contact since our last successful PL season 2005/6, circa 200 players, approximately 24% can be classified as overseas players. Roughly 22% were from the academy. We currently have just 3 overseas players.
So there is some margin yet before we maintain that average. Obviously it will be dependent on the size of the squad but 3, 4, or 5 additional overseas players is hardly going create a massive distortion from what we seen before.
Of the 30 players under contract for the 2005/6 season - 12 were overseas - 40%
Speaking personally I was delighted with what I read in part two, and it immediately made me look forward to the new season. Yes of course it is early days, and at the moment only words, of course the glass half full crowd will always be mumbling in their beards. It will be very interesting to see the calibre of new recruits, but at least Bob appears to be very clear about his intentions. I hope that when he starts work, he will be inspired by the positivity of staff, players, and supporters in unison. Someone earlier mentioned Proper Charlton, lets give it to Bob in spades !
Of the players under contact since our last successful PL season 2005/6, circa 200 players, approximately 24% can be classified as overseas players. Roughly 22% were from the academy. We currently have just 3 overseas players.
So there is some margin yet before we maintain that average. Obviously it will be dependent on the size of the squad but 3, 4, or 5 additional overseas players is hardly going create a massive distortion from what we seen before.
Of the 30 players under contract for the 2005/6 season - 12 were overseas - 40%
Of these 7 had no prior experience of English football.
Of the 35 players under contract for the 2006/7 season - 16 were overseas - 46%
Andersen, Bougherra, Diawara, El Kharkouri, Faye, Hasselbaink, Hreidarsson, Kishichev, Myhre, Pouso, Rommedahl, Song Billong, Sorondo, Traore, Youga, Zhi
Of the 8 additions 4 had no prior experience of English football
Under both profiles in terms of overseas signings the club for a squad of 30 players would have a margin of 9 to 14 players.
Good stats there....like that post.
1 caveat....PL and Champs is not apples and apples in terms of the overseas %. I think its usual you have a higher % in PL, the PL is less of a change in style than the Champs.
I am sure you probably agree, just needs to be stated. 20% max non domestics in Champ would be a good rule of thumb IMO.
My humble apologies to Talal and to El Karkhouri. In terms of squad profile I am with Mr Plumb - I would love to see as many academy graduates as possible progressing to the first team squad AND given a real opportunity to build a career with the club.
It is difficult and a bit of a leap of faith for a manager to put his livelihood and his career on the line with such a policy. I lost count of the number of people over recent seasons casting doubt on Poyet, with various comments "don't see what the fuss is all about" or "nothing special" or "not sure he will make it".
Ultimately you are only going to find out if someone is going to play at a certain level if you actually play them.
I am not sure there is an optimum percentage of overseas players though 20-30% I would think a reasonable parameter but if the right player is available it really should not matter from where he comes. Had it mattered in the past I would have missed out on watching a Firmani or a Leary.
Firmani was one player I would have paid the entrance fee just to watch play but ultimately if they pull on the shirt .....
A challenge for some in the coming seasons maybe, with the clubs (networks) global footprint, whether academy scholars in the future will be exclusively from within the UK.
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Im of the attitude, if they don't come from our academy, they can come from 50 miles away or 5 thousand miles away, they have an equal opportunity to become a Charlton hero.
Plus, if foreign labor tends to be cheaper for same / similar skill levels, why not have 2 10 goal a season strikers born and raised in Belgium, rather than 1 15 goal a season striker born and raised in Birmingham (Especially as their English would most likely be better)
Throwing out the Charlton identity and replacing the team with a bunch of mercenaries from all points of the globe would be terrible... but despite constant repetition it isn't even close to happening yet. Reza and Nego both signed permanently for the club, they are Charlton players, nationality is irrelevant. AA and Thuram were loanees, one more successful than the other but in neither case was their quality in any way contingent upon nationality.
A team filled with academy players is the dream im sure nearly every football fan wishes to watch but after that i really don't understand in 2014 why English players from whatever part of the country is an automatic plus, when they often show just as much so called mercenery behaviour as foreign players.
I wanna see our best academy players learning from the highest quality players we can sign, so they can hopefully become a team that brings us nice football to watch as fans combined with a bit of success.
The world is a small place now, so let them come from whatever part of the earth they wish as i have never had trouble to relate to so many of my Charlton heroes who are not English.
Diego Poyet is one of our youngsters, but qualifies also for Spain and Uruguay..... Where do you sit with the potential that some of 'our' youngsters in future will not be British...and therefore, infact, a team full of 'home-grown' foreigners
Organization on and off the pitch.
Everybody working hard and clear about what they have to do.
'Good' players will be brought in.
Academy prospects will get their chance.
A passing game where chances are created.
Knowledge of the demands of the Championship.
Players will have strength and pace and a 'good attitude'.
Aiming for the premier league.
So, we will not see poor slow lazy players with a rubbish attitude playing disorganised hoofball. Football which shows no awareness of the requirements of Championship standards, and we will get points.
I will leave out team selection and the timing of substitutions and plan B's etc for after game analysis by us all.
Bob has, as they say, set out his stall. Now he needs to make it work.
Still hasn't raised even a smirk let alone a chuckle.
No mention of specific prem quality players that we'll be signing.
Interview kind of tails off at the end. You could say it.... Peeters out
So there is some margin yet before we maintain that average. Obviously it will be dependent on the size of the squad but 3, 4, or 5 additional overseas players is hardly going create a massive distortion from what we seen before.
Of the 30 players under contract for the 2005/6 season - 12 were overseas - 40%
Andersen, Bartlett, El Kharkouri, Hreidarsson, Johansson, Kishichev, Myhre, Rommedahl, Smertin, Sorondo, Spector, Youga
Of these 7 had no prior experience of English football.
Of the 35 players under contract for the 2006/7 season - 16 were overseas - 46%
Andersen, Bougherra, Diawara, El Kharkouri, Faye, Hasselbaink, Hreidarsson, Kishichev, Myhre, Pouso, Rommedahl, Song Billong, Sorondo, Traore, Youga, Zhi
Of the 8 additions 4 had no prior experience of English football
Under both profiles in terms of overseas signings the club for a squad of 30 players would have a margin of 9 to 14 players.
1 caveat....PL and Champs is not apples and apples in terms of the overseas %. I think its usual you have a higher % in PL, the PL is less of a change in style than the Champs.
I am sure you probably agree, just needs to be stated. 20% max non domestics in Champ would be a good rule of thumb IMO.
It is difficult and a bit of a leap of faith for a manager to put his livelihood and his career on the line with such a policy. I lost count of the number of people over recent seasons casting doubt on Poyet, with various comments "don't see what the fuss is all about" or "nothing special" or "not sure he will make it".
Ultimately you are only going to find out if someone is going to play at a certain level if you actually play them.
I am not sure there is an optimum percentage of overseas players though 20-30% I would think a reasonable parameter but if the right player is available it really should not matter from where he comes. Had it mattered in the past I would have missed out on watching a Firmani or a Leary.
Firmani was one player I would have paid the entrance fee just to watch play but ultimately if they pull on the shirt .....
A challenge for some in the coming seasons maybe, with the clubs (networks) global footprint, whether academy scholars in the future will be exclusively from within the UK.