I try to look at things positively and wait until the end of June or the start of the season before I judge where we are, but at this moment in time it's hard not to feel extremely worried. As it stands we are a long long way away from being competitive in the championship next season - I believe the players we've retained are more than good enough, but they can't do it without some decent reinforcements...
I try to look at things positively and wait until the end of June or the start of the season before I judge where we are, but at this moment in time it's hard not to feel extremely worried. As it stands we are a long long way away from being competitive in the championship next season - I believe the players we've retained are more than good enough, but they can't do it without some decent reinforcements...
You know that. I know that. Roland and Katrien know that.
I try to look at things positively and wait until the end of June or the start of the season before I judge where we are, but at this moment in time it's hard not to feel extremely worried. As it stands we are a long long way away from being competitive in the championship next season - I believe the players we've retained are more than good enough, but they can't do it without some decent reinforcements...
You know that. I know that. Roland and Katrien know that.
It's the quality that they bring in though that's the big concern and of course as everyone keeps saying we'll have to wait and see. I'm still sceptical about who is making those calls and whether they know what's needed in this league.
I can't imagine the remaining players feeling anything but dismayed and despondent atm. Riga has gone, some of our best players and biggest characters in the dressing room have gone, or are about to leave. I don't know about anyone else, but I've never felt so demoralised about my club. What would there currently be, that would attract any decent players to join this circus. Please don't say money either! We support our team because we develop an emotional attachment to the players and the staff. We now find ourselves in the situation where we must somehow prevent ourselves from forming any kind of emotional attachment because we know that Roly is waiting in the background ready and willing to pull the rug from under us again at any moment and for no logical reason, irrespective of performance or popularity.
I recognize these are challenging times for any Charlton supporter and there are one or two wind up merchants on here happily adding fuel to the fire but ladies & gentlemen please take a deep breath and relax. It is 25 days since we secured our championship status. The Football League season has not yet even finished.
To quote another thread, the time for the reality check is NOT NOW.
Continue with your speculative frenzy of fear if you must but I am concerned more than a few will soon be sitting in rooms with padded walls slowly rocking backwards & forwards as the nice men in a white coats smile knowingly "Mes pauvres petits choux, il est la malédiction des Belges". You forget "mes amis" at times you must use "the little grey cells". No, I do not see M. Poirot signing as our centre back any time soon.
I am sorry the repetitive drone of negativity for me is beginning to resemble a very long car journey where certain fractious young persons endlessly demand to know "are we there yet". Sadly for some with grand expectations I fear the voyage of disappointment may never end, however for this journey, if you are interested there are 11 weeks to the start of the League season and 14 weeks until the transfer window closes while UEFA has also extended their sanction of the Emergency loan programme for one more season.
I have no reason to offer any particular support of the new regime but I feel I must come from a different planet. The endless desire for the flagellation of all things Charlton, over every twist and turn, based on protestations of people apparently just expressing their thoughts sadly displays little evidence of any such thing. Knee jerk reaction? Prejudice? Points of view? I have no clue but with at times an almost gripping paranoia they show precious little account of any balanced thought process or understanding of the clubs' challenges.
Do people really not recognize how we stumbled into and through last season under the severe constraints applied by the previous regime? Did you really think the club would not suffer the consequences of their approach? Despite an initial investment in meeting added salary costs in League 1, once the numbers did not stack up in the Championship their business plan was built on sand - and sadly the financial tide came in. As stated elsewhere, based on the "modus operandi" of those guys and their unfortunate inability to finance any long term plan, the club faced potential squad carnage this summer.
Do you not think RD would, at the very least, have liked to have seen some fees for Dervite, Hamer & Morrison? It seems some do not comprehend contract employment. A basic principle applies be it for a consultant, an expert IT contractor or a footballer. If you wish to retain their services you do NOT to let their contract run down, because they and in the case of footballers their agents, will be exploring every other avenue of employment.
Then step into a failing business where 80% of staff are out of contract in weeks, with real uncertainty over its immediate prospects and you face at nearly every level, being on the wrong side of the negotiating process. The financial and football priority was to survive until seasons end with as little damage as possible. In essence the only viable option is to let the situation run, make an indicative offer or two, let players test the market and see if you can match the market offer. Act in haste and you get to repent not so happily at your leisure!
WE should know. WE did it twice and are still suffering the consequences of Dowie & Pardew years later! How is it possible to take the apparent approach of recent months to extrapolate never ending doom and disaster and not do the same with the real evidence of the past 6/7 years?
You could have offered the entire squad new deals and for most it would have had to have been pointless because all offers will have been couched in terms of possible relegation unless you intended pay players championship wages in League 1. WE did that as well. It is how TJ & MS were able to take control. With the number of out of contract players we always faced a rebuild. If players secure better offers and wish to move I wish them well but to suggest you solve such problems by simply throwing money at them is simplistic not least because sooner or later you run out of money - AGAIN.
Ultimately I am only interested in players who want to play for my club.
Whatever your opinion of what happened in January the primary objective was achieved - the club remains in the Championship. Those stressing over the departure of certain players have very short memories; Morrison could not retain a 1st team slot at Leicester, was sold to Sheffield Wednesday where he struggled badly; Hamer was 3rd string keeper at Reading; Dervite was signed after a trial, failing a medical at Huddersfield, having previously bouncing around "B" sides in Europe (where we might be recruiting again). Kermorgant was persona non grata at Leicester.
All progressed and are deserving of the rewards for such progress but in the coming days there will be literally a thousand players across the major leagues of Europe looking for pastures new, many will be able to help the club progress. Such resource may not be your preference but cast your eye across the list of overseas professionals employed within our top two leagues and you will see it is an economic fact of life in the modern game.
That has absolutely nothing to do with M. Duchatelet.
The vast majority of these players will have us scrambling for Wikipedia. I like everybody else have absolutely no idea how the club recruitment programme will unfold OVER THE SUMMER. I do not expect to agree/ appreciate each and every move the club makes. Some new players will fail, hopefully others will contribute to the development of the club. It was ever thus.
I however will respect the fact each and every day there will be a team of people using their best endeavours to secure a stable and successful future for the club. For that endeavour at the very least they are worthy of my support and my patience.
What's that? Are we there yet? No just so you know it is just 25 days since we secured our Championship status.
Hah knew this was going to happen Mass departures and a load more belgium shite shipped in including a manager,coach,rd's puppet or whatever Glad we never renewed our s/t as for the 1st time I can honestly Say this does not feel like Charlton anymore!
It's weird because the season we got relegated from the Championship and our second season in L1 it didn't feel like Charlton anymore.
We are not in the best of places at the moment BUT it is promising that players have been offered new deals. Even though RD seems like a hard bastard, he has done a good job at keeping his teams in a good financial state. That is promising.
The problem is that these out of contract players should've been offered extended deals at the end of last season when we had finished just outside the play offs. They weren't and we've had a poor season so nobody has signed. Their contracts are almost up which has allowed them to talk to other players etc.
floydroadfaithfullMember May 22 Hah knew this was going to happen Mass departures and a load more belgium shite shipped in including a manager,coach,rd's puppet or whatever Glad we never renewed our s/t as for the 1st time I can honestly Say this does not feel like Charlton anymore!
Do you not think that you should change your name now ?
I recognize these are challenging times for any Charlton supporter and there are one or two wind up merchants on here happily adding fuel to the fire but ladies & gentlemen please take a deep breath and relax. It is 25 days since we secured our championship status. The Football League season has not yet even finished.
To quote another thread, the time for the reality check is NOT NOW.
Continue with your speculative frenzy of fear if you must but I am concerned more than a few will soon be sitting in rooms with padded walls slowly rocking backwards & forwards as the nice men in a white coats smile knowingly "Mes pauvres petits choux, il est la malédiction des Belges". You forget "mes amis" at times you must use "the little grey cells". No, I do not see M. Poirot signing as our centre back any time soon.
I am sorry the repetitive drone of negativity for me is beginning to resemble a very long car journey where certain fractious young persons endlessly demand to know "are we there yet". Sadly for some with grand expectations I fear the voyage of disappointment may never end, however for this journey, if you are interested there are 11 weeks to the start of the League season and 14 weeks until the transfer window closes while UEFA has also extended their sanction of the Emergency loan programme for one more season.
I have no reason to offer any particular support of the new regime but I feel I must come from a different planet. The endless desire for the flagellation of all things Charlton, over every twist and turn, based on protestations of people apparently just expressing their thoughts sadly displays little evidence of any such thing. Knee jerk reaction? Prejudice? Points of view? I have no clue but with at times an almost gripping paranoia they show precious little account of any balanced thought process or understanding of the clubs' challenges.
Do people really not recognize how we stumbled into and through last season under the severe constraints applied by the previous regime? Did you really think the club would not suffer the consequences of their approach? Despite an initial investment in meeting added salary costs in League 1, once the numbers did not stack up in the Championship their business plan was built on sand - and sadly the financial tide came in. As stated elsewhere, based on the "modus operandi" of those guys and their unfortunate inability to finance any long term plan, the club faced potential squad carnage this summer.
Do you not think RD would, at the very least, have liked to have seen some fees for Dervite, Hamer & Morrison? It seems some do not comprehend contract employment. A basic principle applies be it for a consultant, an expert IT contractor or a footballer. If you wish to retain their services you do NOT to let their contract run down, because they and in the case of footballers their agents, will be exploring every other avenue of employment.
Then step into a failing business where 80% of staff are out of contract in weeks, with real uncertainty over its immediate prospects and you face at nearly every level, being on the wrong side of the negotiating process. The financial and football priority was to survive until seasons end with as little damage as possible. In essence the only viable option is to let the situation run, make an indicative offer or two, let players test the market and see if you can match the market offer. Act in haste and you get to repent not so happily at your leisure!
WE should know. WE did it twice and are still suffering the consequences of Dowie & Pardew years later! How is it possible to take the apparent approach of recent months to extrapolate never ending doom and disaster and not do the same with the real evidence of the past 6/7 years?
You could have offered the entire squad new deals and for most it would have had to have been pointless because all offers will have been couched in terms of possible relegation unless you intended pay players championship wages in League 1. WE did that as well. It is how TJ & MS were able to take control. With the number of out of contract players we always faced a rebuild. If players secure better offers and wish to move I wish them well but to suggest you solve such problems by simply throwing money at them is simplistic not least because sooner or later you run out of money - AGAIN.
Ultimately I am only interested in players who want to play for my club.
Whatever your opinion of what happened in January the primary objective was achieved - the club remains in the Championship. Those stressing over the departure of certain players have very short memories; Morrison could not retain a 1st team slot at Leicester, was sold to Sheffield Wednesday where he struggled badly; Hamer was 3rd string keeper at Reading; Dervite was signed after a trial, failing a medical at Huddersfield, having previously bouncing around "B" sides in Europe (where we might be recruiting again). Kermorgant was persona non grata at Leicester.
All progressed and are deserving of the rewards for such progress but in the coming days there will be literally a thousand players across the major leagues of Europe looking for pastures new, many will be able to help the club progress. Such resource may not be your preference but cast your eye across the list of overseas professionals employed within our top two leagues and you will see it is an economic fact of life in the modern game.
That has absolutely nothing to do with M. Duchatelet.
The vast majority of these players will have us scrambling for Wikipedia. I like everybody else have absolutely no idea how the club recruitment programme will unfold OVER THE SUMMER. I do not expect to agree/ appreciate each and every move the club makes. Some new players will fail, hopefully others will contribute to the development of the club. It was ever thus.
I however will respect the fact each and every day there will be a team of people using their best endeavours to secure a stable and successful future for the club. For that endeavour at the very least they are worthy of my support and my patience.
What's that? Are we there yet? No just so you know it is just 25 days since we secured our Championship status.
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To quote another thread, the time for the reality check is NOT NOW.
Continue with your speculative frenzy of fear if you must but I am concerned more than a few will soon be sitting in rooms with padded walls slowly rocking backwards & forwards as the nice men in a white coats smile knowingly "Mes pauvres petits choux, il est la malédiction des Belges". You forget "mes amis" at times you must use "the little grey cells". No, I do not see M. Poirot signing as our centre back any time soon.
I am sorry the repetitive drone of negativity for me is beginning to resemble a very long car journey where certain fractious young persons endlessly demand to know "are we there yet". Sadly for some with grand expectations I fear the voyage of disappointment may never end, however for this journey, if you are interested there are 11 weeks to the start of the League season and 14 weeks until the transfer window closes while UEFA has also extended their sanction of the Emergency loan programme for one more season.
I have no reason to offer any particular support of the new regime but I feel I must come from a different planet. The endless desire for the flagellation of all things Charlton, over every twist and turn, based on protestations of people apparently just expressing their thoughts sadly displays little evidence of any such thing. Knee jerk reaction? Prejudice? Points of view? I have no clue but with at times an almost gripping paranoia they show precious little account of any balanced thought process or understanding of the clubs' challenges.
Do people really not recognize how we stumbled into and through last season under the severe constraints applied by the previous regime? Did you really think the club would not suffer the consequences of their approach? Despite an initial investment in meeting added salary costs in League 1, once the numbers did not stack up in the Championship their business plan was built on sand - and sadly the financial tide came in. As stated elsewhere, based on the "modus operandi" of those guys and their unfortunate inability to finance any long term plan, the club faced potential squad carnage this summer.
Do you not think RD would, at the very least, have liked to have seen some fees for Dervite, Hamer & Morrison? It seems some do not comprehend contract employment. A basic principle applies be it for a consultant, an expert IT contractor or a footballer. If you wish to retain their services you do NOT to let their contract run down, because they and in the case of footballers their agents, will be exploring every other avenue of employment.
Then step into a failing business where 80% of staff are out of contract in weeks, with real uncertainty over its immediate prospects and you face at nearly every level, being on the wrong side of the negotiating process. The financial and football priority was to survive until seasons end with as little damage as possible. In essence the only viable option is to let the situation run, make an indicative offer or two, let players test the market and see if you can match the market offer. Act in haste and you get to repent not so happily at your leisure!
WE should know. WE did it twice and are still suffering the consequences of Dowie & Pardew years later! How is it possible to take the apparent approach of recent months to extrapolate never ending doom and disaster and not do the same with the real evidence of the past 6/7 years?
You could have offered the entire squad new deals and for most it would have had to have been pointless because all offers will have been couched in terms of possible relegation unless you intended pay players championship wages in League 1. WE did that as well. It is how TJ & MS were able to take control. With the number of out of contract players we always faced a rebuild. If players secure better offers and wish to move I wish them well but to suggest you solve such problems by simply throwing money at them is simplistic not least because sooner or later you run out of money - AGAIN.
Ultimately I am only interested in players who want to play for my club.
Whatever your opinion of what happened in January the primary objective was achieved - the club remains in the Championship. Those stressing over the departure of certain players have very short memories; Morrison could not retain a 1st team slot at Leicester, was sold to Sheffield Wednesday where he struggled badly; Hamer was 3rd string keeper at Reading; Dervite was signed after a trial, failing a medical at Huddersfield, having previously bouncing around "B" sides in Europe (where we might be recruiting again). Kermorgant was persona non grata at Leicester.
All progressed and are deserving of the rewards for such progress but in the coming days there will be literally a thousand players across the major leagues of Europe looking for pastures new, many will be able to help the club progress. Such resource may not be your preference but cast your eye across the list of overseas professionals employed within our top two leagues and you will see it is an economic fact of life in the modern game.
That has absolutely nothing to do with M. Duchatelet.
The vast majority of these players will have us scrambling for Wikipedia. I like everybody else have absolutely no idea how the club recruitment programme will unfold OVER THE SUMMER. I do not expect to agree/ appreciate each and every move the club makes. Some new players will fail, hopefully others will contribute to the development of the club. It was ever thus.
I however will respect the fact each and every day there will be a team of people using their best endeavours to secure a stable and successful future for the club. For that endeavour at the very least they are worthy of my support and my patience.
What's that? Are we there yet? No just so you know it is just 25 days since we secured our Championship status.
We are not in the best of places at the moment BUT it is promising that players have been offered new deals. Even though RD seems like a hard bastard, he has done a good job at keeping his teams in a good financial state. That is promising.
The problem is that these out of contract players should've been offered extended deals at the end of last season when we had finished just outside the play offs. They weren't and we've had a poor season so nobody has signed. Their contracts are almost up which has allowed them to talk to other players etc.
May 22
Hah knew this was going to happen
Mass departures and a load more belgium shite shipped in including a manager,coach,rd's puppet or whatever
Glad we never renewed our s/t as for the 1st time I can honestly
Say this does not feel like Charlton anymore!
Do you not think that you should change your name now ?