Let's just ban the very young and very old from away games. I'm sure that will make a lot of the standers happy and they are all that matters aren't they? Let's embrace the selfish society.
Except that those of us that stand are happy to move, been said numerous times on here. Not sure how that's selfish?
Please don't reply with "it's the law to sit"
I had to stand at Millwall for the whole game last year. How were the hundreds standing in front of me going to move?
You know as well as I do that it is part and parcel at the big games. Due to our small away following, we only really have a standing issue 3-4 times a season. There was plenty of available unrestricted seating at Barnsley and Huddersfield away for example.
I had been to the "New" Den several times in the past and never had to stand. The whole subject of the thread is that it should not be part and parcel of a big game. Why should anyone be denied the right to go to a big away game because they are unable to stand for forty five minutes?
Don't get me wrong, the atmosphere that day was great and it was an exception rather than a rule I do realise that's the case.
Thank you for your pearls of wisdom, Filish. This has nothing to do with neutrals. After more than 60 years watching Charlton play I can see I will have to confine my away trips to the less popular games! Sorry to be such a nuisance!
I did actually say I didn't like the situation and said clubs needs to do better in this respect, but what is optimal and what is actually the current situation are two different things and that was what I was pointing out, not that the old and infirm should stay away from football matches (which is not ideal at all) and an ex-football hack of all people should probably be aware that the away end at a local derby will mean lots of standing up.
Sorry if you took my comment to mean that I wanted the old and infirm to stay away from football matches, that was the opposite of my intention, I just wanted to point out that there are ways those who would like to sit all game could take measures prior to buying a ticket to ensure they didn't have to stand all game.
At Sheff Utd a bloke arrived just before kick off with his elderly mum, who took one look at everyone standing and started saying she couldn't stand all game. He said something along the lines of, 'You'll just have to make the best of it this time', but she said there was no way. So he said, 'let's go down the front and see what we can do.' Five minutes later he returned to his seat without her, so either he'd hit her over the head or they'd found her somewhere to sit. In other words with a bit of good will and compromise a solution can generally be found. It's all the digging in of heels amongst the 'it's a football match - we stand' and 'I paid for this seat and this is where I am sitting' fundamentalists that creates trouble.
Bloody hell have none of you seen our away figures or actually been to an away game, for 99% of the away games you get to sit where you want in fact a lot of the time you can choose your very own row!! The only time you can guarantee that every one will stand is at Millwall or Palace and the very rare game we actually sell out.
How about bringing it up in the questions and answers sessions and asking if the club can hold back the 10-15 rows or so for the people who have problems standing. Then when you call up to book your tickets you can ask for a ticket closer to the front.
Wonder how he got his ticket? Mate reguarly goes away with Spurs and could not get one. Funny that. No sympathy for the guy really.
This, this and this.
Nigh on impossible to get tickets for Spurs away games, especially in London. Looking at 400+ loyalty points to get your hands on them. They didnt go on general sale either.
Thank you for your pearls of wisdom, Filish. This has nothing to do with neutrals. After more than 60 years watching Charlton play I can see I will have to confine my away trips to the less popular games! Sorry to be such a nuisance!
I did actually say I didn't like the situation and said clubs needs to do better in this respect, but what is optimal and what is actually the current situation are two different things and that was what I was pointing out, not that the old and infirm should stay away from football matches (which is not ideal at all) and an ex-football hack of all people should probably be aware that the away end at a local derby will mean lots of standing up.
Sorry if you took my comment to mean that I wanted the old and infirm to stay away from football matches, that was the opposite of my intention, I just wanted to point out that there are ways those who would like to sit all game could take measures prior to buying a ticket to ensure they didn't have to stand all game.
No offence taken; the reality is that it is easier said than done tp pre-arrange where you will be "sitting". More often than not the only option would be to leave the ground and miss the match. Instead you endue sitting most of the game trying to get a glimpse of the game through the gaps created by the supporters in front of you. Try it sometime.
Thank you for your pearls of wisdom, Filish. This has nothing to do with neutrals. After more than 60 years watching Charlton play I can see I will have to confine my away trips to the less popular games! Sorry to be such a nuisance!
I did actually say I didn't like the situation and said clubs needs to do better in this respect, but what is optimal and what is actually the current situation are two different things and that was what I was pointing out, not that the old and infirm should stay away from football matches (which is not ideal at all) and an ex-football hack of all people should probably be aware that the away end at a local derby will mean lots of standing up.
Sorry if you took my comment to mean that I wanted the old and infirm to stay away from football matches, that was the opposite of my intention, I just wanted to point out that there are ways those who would like to sit all game could take measures prior to buying a ticket to ensure they didn't have to stand all game.
No offence taken; the reality is that it is easier said than done tp pre-arrange where you will be "sitting". More often than not the only option would be to leave the ground and miss the match. Instead you endue sitting most of the game trying to get a glimpse of the game through the gaps created by the supporters in front of you. Try it sometime.
I've spent a few games sat in the Lower Gladys St End at Goodison Park where if you're sitting further up than Row M, your view is obstructed from above by the upper tier, meaning you can only see the game from a seated position, which is a pain because everytime something interesting happens, everyone from rows A to M stand up and you can't see even if you do stand up. It's beyond annoying and pathetic that it happens in a Premier League stadium. The sooner they move out of that ground the better.
Wonder how he got his ticket? Mate reguarly goes away with Spurs and could not get one. Funny that. No sympathy for the guy really.
This, this and this.
Nigh on impossible to get tickets for Spurs away games, especially in London. Looking at 400+ loyalty points to get your hands on them. They didnt go on general sale either.
What this man may not have been aware of is the unspoken rule that in the away end you do not have to "sit" in your exact seat! There is the convention that hose who want to stand move towards the back and those who want to sit move forwards and do so... then a balance is achieved!
Unless something is done, this will always be an opinionated argument where the fans that choose to stand will always win. It is what it is unfortunately. Pointless arguing amongst each other about it.
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Don't get me wrong, the atmosphere that day was great and it was an exception rather than a rule I do realise that's the case.
Sorry if you took my comment to mean that I wanted the old and infirm to stay away from football matches, that was the opposite of my intention, I just wanted to point out that there are ways those who would like to sit all game could take measures prior to buying a ticket to ensure they didn't have to stand all game.
In other words with a bit of good will and compromise a solution can generally be found. It's all the digging in of heels amongst the 'it's a football match - we stand' and 'I paid for this seat and this is where I am sitting' fundamentalists that creates trouble.
How about bringing it up in the questions and answers sessions and asking if the club can hold back the 10-15 rows or so for the people who have problems standing. Then when you call up to book your tickets you can ask for a ticket closer to the front.
Nigh on impossible to get tickets for Spurs away games, especially in London. Looking at 400+ loyalty points to get your hands on them. They didnt go on general sale either.
No offence taken; the reality is that it is easier said than done tp pre-arrange where you will be "sitting". More often than not the only option would be to leave the ground and miss the match. Instead you endue sitting most of the game trying to get a glimpse of the game through the gaps created by the supporters in front of you. Try it sometime.
Please let me know when you're next going to the cinema & I'll come and stand in front of you.
Only joking, I can see both sides of the argument.