Powder puffs are pieces of soft material used for the application of face powder. They may be shaped as balls or Footballers.
Historically, powder puffs have been made of very fine down feathers, cotton, fine fleece, etc. In modern times Charlton forwards are widely used for powder puffs.
In addition to softness, an important characteristic of powder puffs is their intake ability, i.e., the ability to run and run but with no end product. Church or Sordell................Sordell everytime for me
So what does he have in there exactly? And when have we seen it to suggest it is there?
Bolton paid well over the odds for him because he was very young and was a "hot prospect". I get the feeling that has led many to believe he is better than what he is.
You just have to understand football fella, its a funny old game
I understand Football mate, and with what I have seen with my own eyes he has under-delivered nearly every time he has come on the pitch.
He doesn't have pace and he doesn't have strength. On FIFA maybe yes, but can you tell me one game where he showed both those traits and looked like a real force for us?
Chris Powell has made about a dozen footballers become better players through joining Charlton, so I'd have him down as a pretty decent "coach". He clearly couldn't get this supposed unbelievable talent out of Sordell, and neither could anyone at Bolton.
The facts don't support your argument 'fella'.
Dougie Freeman and Chris Powell hmmmmmmmmmmmm fella
Ben Hamer Michael Morrison Chris Solly Rhoys Wiggins Dale Stephens Bradley Wright Phillips Yann Kermorgant Johnnie Jackson
All the above are players who were floating around at League 1/League 2 clubs or in our youth system and then, under Chris Powell, became better players. And I don't just mean slightly better - they became different players altogether. All of which produced form that they have never produced at any point in their careers. So yes, I think Chris Powell knows a thing or two about getting the best out of players. If it is there, then there is a good chance he will get it out based on his track record. In Marvin Sordell's case, all that is there is a big transfer fee at a young age - nothing more.
The only one i would give you there is Kermorgant me old mucker
Don't be silly.
Hamer went from being a regular with Brentford and Crawley Town to being a first choice keeper in the Championship. Morrison went from not even playing at Sheffield Wednesday to being co-captain of Charlton Chris Solly went from being a fringe/youth player to Fans' POTY 2 years running Rhoys Wiggins went from Bournemouth in League Two to being one of our best players in the Championship. Dale Stephens went from Oldham in League One to being a target for Aston Villa BWP had the best goalscoring season of his career under Powell Johnnie Jackson has scored over FORTY league goals for us, after coming to us originally as a left back!
Christ we must be desperate if we have fans saying we should permanently sign someone who has been crap for 7 months, hardly scored any goals, hardly does ANYTHING, and will be one of the highest earners at the club for it.
just needs to be coached correctly.
lol, love it.
He's gone Scab's, 'move on', 'get a grip ffs'
:-)
Why do you always spoil my fun :-( I am not going to be lured into a Powell debate, no more from me on that, but i belive jose is a better coach.
he probably is, not doubting that.
Then again, i would put my mortgage on Les Reed being a better coach than Alex Ferguson, Steve Mclaran a better coach than Carlos Ancellotti and Tony Carr a better coach than Marcelo Lippi
So what does he have in there exactly? And when have we seen it to suggest it is there?
Bolton paid well over the odds for him because he was very young and was a "hot prospect". I get the feeling that has led many to believe he is better than what he is.
You just have to understand football fella, its a funny old game
I understand Football mate, and with what I have seen with my own eyes he has under-delivered nearly every time he has come on the pitch.
He doesn't have pace and he doesn't have strength. On FIFA maybe yes, but can you tell me one game where he showed both those traits and looked like a real force for us?
Chris Powell has made about a dozen footballers become better players through joining Charlton, so I'd have him down as a pretty decent "coach". He clearly couldn't get this supposed unbelievable talent out of Sordell, and neither could anyone at Bolton.
The facts don't support your argument 'fella'.
Dougie Freeman and Chris Powell hmmmmmmmmmmmm fella
Ben Hamer Michael Morrison Chris Solly Rhoys Wiggins Dale Stephens Bradley Wright Phillips Yann Kermorgant Johnnie Jackson
All the above are players who were floating around at League 1/League 2 clubs or in our youth system and then, under Chris Powell, became better players. And I don't just mean slightly better - they became different players altogether. All of which produced form that they have never produced at any point in their careers. So yes, I think Chris Powell knows a thing or two about getting the best out of players. If it is there, then there is a good chance he will get it out based on his track record. In Marvin Sordell's case, all that is there is a big transfer fee at a young age - nothing more.
The only one i would give you there is Kermorgant me old mucker
Don't be silly.
Hamer went from being a regular with Brentford and Crawley Town to being a first choice keeper in the Championship. Morrison went from not even playing at Sheffield Wednesday to being co-captain of Charlton Chris Solly went from being a fringe/youth player to Fans' POTY 2 years running Rhoys Wiggins went from Bournemouth in League Two to being one of our best players in the Championship. Dale Stephens went from Oldham in League One to being a target for Aston Villa BWP had the best goalscoring season of his career under Powell Johnnie Jackson has scored over FORTY league goals for us, after coming to us originally as a left back!
So what does he have in there exactly? And when have we seen it to suggest it is there?
Bolton paid well over the odds for him because he was very young and was a "hot prospect". I get the feeling that has led many to believe he is better than what he is.
You just have to understand football fella, its a funny old game
I understand Football mate, and with what I have seen with my own eyes he has under-delivered nearly every time he has come on the pitch.
He doesn't have pace and he doesn't have strength. On FIFA maybe yes, but can you tell me one game where he showed both those traits and looked like a real force for us?
Chris Powell has made about a dozen footballers become better players through joining Charlton, so I'd have him down as a pretty decent "coach". He clearly couldn't get this supposed unbelievable talent out of Sordell, and neither could anyone at Bolton.
The facts don't support your argument 'fella'.
Dougie Freeman and Chris Powell hmmmmmmmmmmmm fella
Ben Hamer Michael Morrison Chris Solly Rhoys Wiggins Dale Stephens Bradley Wright Phillips Yann Kermorgant Johnnie Jackson
All the above are players who were floating around at League 1/League 2 clubs or in our youth system and then, under Chris Powell, became better players. And I don't just mean slightly better - they became different players altogether. All of which produced form that they have never produced at any point in their careers. So yes, I think Chris Powell knows a thing or two about getting the best out of players. If it is there, then there is a good chance he will get it out based on his track record. In Marvin Sordell's case, all that is there is a big transfer fee at a young age - nothing more.
The only one i would give you there is Kermorgant me old mucker
Don't be silly.
Hamer went from being a regular with Brentford and Crawley Town to being a first choice keeper in the Championship. Morrison went from not even playing at Sheffield Wednesday to being co-captain of Charlton Chris Solly went from being a fringe/youth player to Fans' POTY 2 years running Rhoys Wiggins went from Bournemouth in League Two to being one of our best players in the Championship. Dale Stephens went from Oldham in League One to being a target for Aston Villa BWP had the best goalscoring season of his career under Powell Johnnie Jackson has scored over FORTY league goals for us, after coming to us originally as a left back!
You just have to understand football fella.....
Load of old bull son.
I see you've used a solid argument to back that up. You do like to troll on here don't you. I agree with most of Tom's but I think Wiggins was on an upward trajectory regardless of who he played for. Powell definitely rejuvenated Yann, Morrison, Solly (who some said had less to offer than Francis) and Leon Cort though
So what does he have in there exactly? And when have we seen it to suggest it is there?
Bolton paid well over the odds for him because he was very young and was a "hot prospect". I get the feeling that has led many to believe he is better than what he is.
You just have to understand football fella, its a funny old game
I understand Football mate, and with what I have seen with my own eyes he has under-delivered nearly every time he has come on the pitch.
He doesn't have pace and he doesn't have strength. On FIFA maybe yes, but can you tell me one game where he showed both those traits and looked like a real force for us?
Chris Powell has made about a dozen footballers become better players through joining Charlton, so I'd have him down as a pretty decent "coach". He clearly couldn't get this supposed unbelievable talent out of Sordell, and neither could anyone at Bolton.
The facts don't support your argument 'fella'.
Dougie Freeman and Chris Powell hmmmmmmmmmmmm fella
Ben Hamer Michael Morrison Chris Solly Rhoys Wiggins Dale Stephens Bradley Wright Phillips Yann Kermorgant Johnnie Jackson
All the above are players who were floating around at League 1/League 2 clubs or in our youth system and then, under Chris Powell, became better players. And I don't just mean slightly better - they became different players altogether. All of which produced form that they have never produced at any point in their careers. So yes, I think Chris Powell knows a thing or two about getting the best out of players. If it is there, then there is a good chance he will get it out based on his track record. In Marvin Sordell's case, all that is there is a big transfer fee at a young age - nothing more.
The only one i would give you there is Kermorgant me old mucker
Don't be silly.
Hamer went from being a regular with Brentford and Crawley Town to being a first choice keeper in the Championship. Morrison went from not even playing at Sheffield Wednesday to being co-captain of Charlton Chris Solly went from being a fringe/youth player to Fans' POTY 2 years running Rhoys Wiggins went from Bournemouth in League Two to being one of our best players in the Championship. Dale Stephens went from Oldham in League One to being a target for Aston Villa BWP had the best goalscoring season of his career under Powell Johnnie Jackson has scored over FORTY league goals for us, after coming to us originally as a left back!
You just have to understand football fella.....
Load of old bull son.
Not necessarily, considering all what I've said is indisputable fact.
You doubt the FACTUAL achievements of the likes of Solly, Jackson, Hamer, Powell etc, yet bang on about how good Marvin Sordell is. Troll on.
So what does he have in there exactly? And when have we seen it to suggest it is there?
Bolton paid well over the odds for him because he was very young and was a "hot prospect". I get the feeling that has led many to believe he is better than what he is.
You just have to understand football fella, its a funny old game
I understand Football mate, and with what I have seen with my own eyes he has under-delivered nearly every time he has come on the pitch.
He doesn't have pace and he doesn't have strength. On FIFA maybe yes, but can you tell me one game where he showed both those traits and looked like a real force for us?
Chris Powell has made about a dozen footballers become better players through joining Charlton, so I'd have him down as a pretty decent "coach". He clearly couldn't get this supposed unbelievable talent out of Sordell, and neither could anyone at Bolton.
The facts don't support your argument 'fella'.
Dougie Freeman and Chris Powell hmmmmmmmmmmmm fella
Ben Hamer Michael Morrison Chris Solly Rhoys Wiggins Dale Stephens Bradley Wright Phillips Yann Kermorgant Johnnie Jackson
All the above are players who were floating around at League 1/League 2 clubs or in our youth system and then, under Chris Powell, became better players. And I don't just mean slightly better - they became different players altogether. All of which produced form that they have never produced at any point in their careers. So yes, I think Chris Powell knows a thing or two about getting the best out of players. If it is there, then there is a good chance he will get it out based on his track record. In Marvin Sordell's case, all that is there is a big transfer fee at a young age - nothing more.
The only one i would give you there is Kermorgant me old mucker
Don't be silly.
Hamer went from being a regular with Brentford and Crawley Town to being a first choice keeper in the Championship. Morrison went from not even playing at Sheffield Wednesday to being co-captain of Charlton Chris Solly went from being a fringe/youth player to Fans' POTY 2 years running Rhoys Wiggins went from Bournemouth in League Two to being one of our best players in the Championship. Dale Stephens went from Oldham in League One to being a target for Aston Villa BWP had the best goalscoring season of his career under Powell Johnnie Jackson has scored over FORTY league goals for us, after coming to us originally as a left back!
You just have to understand football fella.....
Load of old bull son.
I see you've used a solid argument to back that up. You do like to troll on here don't you. I agree with most of Tom's but I think Wiggins was on an upward trajectory regardless of who he played for. Powell definitely rejuvenated Yann, Morrison, Solly (who some said had less to offer than Francis) and Leon Cort though
So what does he have in there exactly? And when have we seen it to suggest it is there?
Bolton paid well over the odds for him because he was very young and was a "hot prospect". I get the feeling that has led many to believe he is better than what he is.
You just have to understand football fella, its a funny old game
I understand Football mate, and with what I have seen with my own eyes he has under-delivered nearly every time he has come on the pitch.
He doesn't have pace and he doesn't have strength. On FIFA maybe yes, but can you tell me one game where he showed both those traits and looked like a real force for us?
Chris Powell has made about a dozen footballers become better players through joining Charlton, so I'd have him down as a pretty decent "coach". He clearly couldn't get this supposed unbelievable talent out of Sordell, and neither could anyone at Bolton.
The facts don't support your argument 'fella'.
Dougie Freeman and Chris Powell hmmmmmmmmmmmm fella
Ben Hamer Michael Morrison Chris Solly Rhoys Wiggins Dale Stephens Bradley Wright Phillips Yann Kermorgant Johnnie Jackson
All the above are players who were floating around at League 1/League 2 clubs or in our youth system and then, under Chris Powell, became better players. And I don't just mean slightly better - they became different players altogether. All of which produced form that they have never produced at any point in their careers. So yes, I think Chris Powell knows a thing or two about getting the best out of players. If it is there, then there is a good chance he will get it out based on his track record. In Marvin Sordell's case, all that is there is a big transfer fee at a young age - nothing more.
The only one i would give you there is Kermorgant me old mucker
Don't be silly.
Hamer went from being a regular with Brentford and Crawley Town to being a first choice keeper in the Championship. Morrison went from not even playing at Sheffield Wednesday to being co-captain of Charlton Chris Solly went from being a fringe/youth player to Fans' POTY 2 years running Rhoys Wiggins went from Bournemouth in League Two to being one of our best players in the Championship. Dale Stephens went from Oldham in League One to being a target for Aston Villa BWP had the best goalscoring season of his career under Powell Johnnie Jackson has scored over FORTY league goals for us, after coming to us originally as a left back!
You just have to understand football fella.....
Load of old bull son.
Not necessarily, considering all what I've said is indisputable fact.
You doubt the FACTUAL achievements of the likes of Solly, Jackson, Hamer, Powell etc, yet bang on about how good Marvin Sordell is. Troll on.
read the opening post numpty, i did not bang on about how good Sordell is. But now we have a coach who seems to like to keep the ball on the ground and actually attack teams at home I think that can only be to the benefit of Marvin Sordell.
Christ we must be desperate if we have fans saying we should permanently sign someone who has been crap for 7 months, hardly scored any goals, hardly does ANYTHING, and will be one of the highest earners at the club for it.
Because there is a good player in there my friend, just needs to be coached correctly.
So what does he have in there exactly? And when have we seen it to suggest it is there?
Bolton paid well over the odds for him because he was very young and was a "hot prospect". I get the feeling that has led many to believe he is better than what he is.
You just have to understand football fella, its a funny old game
I understand Football mate, and with what I have seen with my own eyes he has under-delivered nearly every time he has come on the pitch.
He doesn't have pace and he doesn't have strength. On FIFA maybe yes, but can you tell me one game where he showed both those traits and looked like a real force for us?
Chris Powell has made about a dozen footballers become better players through joining Charlton, so I'd have him down as a pretty decent "coach". He clearly couldn't get this supposed unbelievable talent out of Sordell, and neither could anyone at Bolton.
The facts don't support your argument 'fella'.
Dougie Freeman and Chris Powell hmmmmmmmmmmmm fella
Ben Hamer Michael Morrison Chris Solly Rhoys Wiggins Dale Stephens Bradley Wright Phillips Yann Kermorgant Johnnie Jackson
All the above are players who were floating around at League 1/League 2 clubs or in our youth system and then, under Chris Powell, became better players. And I don't just mean slightly better - they became different players altogether. All of which produced form that they have never produced at any point in their careers. So yes, I think Chris Powell knows a thing or two about getting the best out of players. If it is there, then there is a good chance he will get it out based on his track record. In Marvin Sordell's case, all that is there is a big transfer fee at a young age - nothing more.
The only one i would give you there is Kermorgant me old mucker
Don't be silly.
Hamer went from being a regular with Brentford and Crawley Town to being a first choice keeper in the Championship. Morrison went from not even playing at Sheffield Wednesday to being co-captain of Charlton Chris Solly went from being a fringe/youth player to Fans' POTY 2 years running Rhoys Wiggins went from Bournemouth in League Two to being one of our best players in the Championship. Dale Stephens went from Oldham in League One to being a target for Aston Villa BWP had the best goalscoring season of his career under Powell Johnnie Jackson has scored over FORTY league goals for us, after coming to us originally as a left back!
You just have to understand football fella.....
Load of old bull son.
I see you've used a solid argument to back that up. You do like to troll on here don't you. I agree with most of Tom's but I think Wiggins was on an upward trajectory regardless of who he played for. Powell definitely rejuvenated Yann, Morrison, Solly (who some said had less to offer than Francis) and Leon Cort though
Because its boring! like your post
Oh Scabby, the mark of a good troll is someone who likes getting into debates about things. You can't start a thread and then claim to be bored when you get called on your nonsense, that's when the fun is meant to start. Did you learn nothing from Dowman?
So what does he have in there exactly? And when have we seen it to suggest it is there?
Bolton paid well over the odds for him because he was very young and was a "hot prospect". I get the feeling that has led many to believe he is better than what he is.
You just have to understand football fella, its a funny old game
I understand Football mate, and with what I have seen with my own eyes he has under-delivered nearly every time he has come on the pitch.
He doesn't have pace and he doesn't have strength. On FIFA maybe yes, but can you tell me one game where he showed both those traits and looked like a real force for us?
Chris Powell has made about a dozen footballers become better players through joining Charlton, so I'd have him down as a pretty decent "coach". He clearly couldn't get this supposed unbelievable talent out of Sordell, and neither could anyone at Bolton.
The facts don't support your argument 'fella'.
Dougie Freeman and Chris Powell hmmmmmmmmmmmm fella
Ben Hamer Michael Morrison Chris Solly Rhoys Wiggins Dale Stephens Bradley Wright Phillips Yann Kermorgant Johnnie Jackson
All the above are players who were floating around at League 1/League 2 clubs or in our youth system and then, under Chris Powell, became better players. And I don't just mean slightly better - they became different players altogether. All of which produced form that they have never produced at any point in their careers. So yes, I think Chris Powell knows a thing or two about getting the best out of players. If it is there, then there is a good chance he will get it out based on his track record. In Marvin Sordell's case, all that is there is a big transfer fee at a young age - nothing more.
The only one i would give you there is Kermorgant me old mucker
Don't be silly.
Hamer went from being a regular with Brentford and Crawley Town to being a first choice keeper in the Championship. Morrison went from not even playing at Sheffield Wednesday to being co-captain of Charlton Chris Solly went from being a fringe/youth player to Fans' POTY 2 years running Rhoys Wiggins went from Bournemouth in League Two to being one of our best players in the Championship. Dale Stephens went from Oldham in League One to being a target for Aston Villa BWP had the best goalscoring season of his career under Powell Johnnie Jackson has scored over FORTY league goals for us, after coming to us originally as a left back!
You just have to understand football fella.....
Load of old bull son.
I see you've used a solid argument to back that up. You do like to troll on here don't you. I agree with most of Tom's but I think Wiggins was on an upward trajectory regardless of who he played for. Powell definitely rejuvenated Yann, Morrison, Solly (who some said had less to offer than Francis) and Leon Cort though
Because its boring! like your post
Oh Scabby, the mark of a good troll is someone who likes getting into debates about things. You can't start a thread and then claim to be bored when you get called on your nonsense, that's when the fun is meant to start. Did you learn nothing from Dowman?
Why are you so angry, calm down fella - Dowman what are you talking about? You have turned this thread into a debate about Powell which was not my intention at all, i did not even mention him in the OP. In my opinion, giving a decent run in the side which i dont personally think he has had, i belive Marvin will score goals for us.
So what does he have in there exactly? And when have we seen it to suggest it is there?
Bolton paid well over the odds for him because he was very young and was a "hot prospect". I get the feeling that has led many to believe he is better than what he is.
You just have to understand football fella, its a funny old game
I understand Football mate, and with what I have seen with my own eyes he has under-delivered nearly every time he has come on the pitch.
He doesn't have pace and he doesn't have strength. On FIFA maybe yes, but can you tell me one game where he showed both those traits and looked like a real force for us?
Chris Powell has made about a dozen footballers become better players through joining Charlton, so I'd have him down as a pretty decent "coach". He clearly couldn't get this supposed unbelievable talent out of Sordell, and neither could anyone at Bolton.
The facts don't support your argument 'fella'.
Dougie Freeman and Chris Powell hmmmmmmmmmmmm fella
Ben Hamer Michael Morrison Chris Solly Rhoys Wiggins Dale Stephens Bradley Wright Phillips Yann Kermorgant Johnnie Jackson
All the above are players who were floating around at League 1/League 2 clubs or in our youth system and then, under Chris Powell, became better players. And I don't just mean slightly better - they became different players altogether. All of which produced form that they have never produced at any point in their careers. So yes, I think Chris Powell knows a thing or two about getting the best out of players. If it is there, then there is a good chance he will get it out based on his track record. In Marvin Sordell's case, all that is there is a big transfer fee at a young age - nothing more.
The only one i would give you there is Kermorgant me old mucker
Don't be silly.
Hamer went from being a regular with Brentford and Crawley Town to being a first choice keeper in the Championship. Morrison went from not even playing at Sheffield Wednesday to being co-captain of Charlton Chris Solly went from being a fringe/youth player to Fans' POTY 2 years running Rhoys Wiggins went from Bournemouth in League Two to being one of our best players in the Championship. Dale Stephens went from Oldham in League One to being a target for Aston Villa BWP had the best goalscoring season of his career under Powell Johnnie Jackson has scored over FORTY league goals for us, after coming to us originally as a left back!
You just have to understand football fella.....
Load of old bull son.
I see you've used a solid argument to back that up. You do like to troll on here don't you. I agree with most of Tom's but I think Wiggins was on an upward trajectory regardless of who he played for. Powell definitely rejuvenated Yann, Morrison, Solly (who some said had less to offer than Francis) and Leon Cort though
Because its boring! like your post
Oh Scabby, the mark of a good troll is someone who likes getting into debates about things. You can't start a thread and then claim to be bored when you get called on your nonsense, that's when the fun is meant to start. Did you learn nothing from Dowman?
Why are you so angry, calm down fella - Dowman what are you talking about? You have turned this thread into a debate about Powell which was not my intention at all, i did not even mention him in the OP. In my opinion, giving a decent run in the side which i dont personally think he has had, i belive Marvin will score goals for us.
I'm not angry, all my posts have been extremely calm. In fact in my last post I'm clearly joking. Nor did I bring up Powell. Reading is useful sometimes. Marvin was given a run at the start, was dropped for Church when Church took his opportunity at Oxford, and then has never showed anything since to indicate that he's worth playing. It's the BWP debate from last season all over again; when you're struggling at the bottom you can't afford to give a run to a striker who isn't scoring. Granted last season we had goalscoring alternatives whereas we're a bit short of it this time round but Riga gave a couple of games to Marvin, who didn't score, and against Bournemouth he had a look at Church. Church proved in the FA Cup though that he can come up with match winning goals. Marvin's never scored us a winner. We'll have to make do with what we have this season but Marvin's done nothing to justify getting a permanent deal with us
So what does he have in there exactly? And when have we seen it to suggest it is there?
Bolton paid well over the odds for him because he was very young and was a "hot prospect". I get the feeling that has led many to believe he is better than what he is.
You just have to understand football fella, its a funny old game
I understand Football mate, and with what I have seen with my own eyes he has under-delivered nearly every time he has come on the pitch.
He doesn't have pace and he doesn't have strength. On FIFA maybe yes, but can you tell me one game where he showed both those traits and looked like a real force for us?
Chris Powell has made about a dozen footballers become better players through joining Charlton, so I'd have him down as a pretty decent "coach". He clearly couldn't get this supposed unbelievable talent out of Sordell, and neither could anyone at Bolton.
The facts don't support your argument 'fella'.
Dougie Freeman and Chris Powell hmmmmmmmmmmmm fella
Ben Hamer Michael Morrison Chris Solly Rhoys Wiggins Dale Stephens Bradley Wright Phillips Yann Kermorgant Johnnie Jackson
All the above are players who were floating around at League 1/League 2 clubs or in our youth system and then, under Chris Powell, became better players. And I don't just mean slightly better - they became different players altogether. All of which produced form that they have never produced at any point in their careers. So yes, I think Chris Powell knows a thing or two about getting the best out of players. If it is there, then there is a good chance he will get it out based on his track record. In Marvin Sordell's case, all that is there is a big transfer fee at a young age - nothing more.
The only one i would give you there is Kermorgant me old mucker
Don't be silly.
Hamer went from being a regular with Brentford and Crawley Town to being a first choice keeper in the Championship. Morrison went from not even playing at Sheffield Wednesday to being co-captain of Charlton Chris Solly went from being a fringe/youth player to Fans' POTY 2 years running Rhoys Wiggins went from Bournemouth in League Two to being one of our best players in the Championship. Dale Stephens went from Oldham in League One to being a target for Aston Villa BWP had the best goalscoring season of his career under Powell Johnnie Jackson has scored over FORTY league goals for us, after coming to us originally as a left back!
You just have to understand football fella.....
Load of old bull son.
I see you've used a solid argument to back that up. You do like to troll on here don't you. I agree with most of Tom's but I think Wiggins was on an upward trajectory regardless of who he played for. Powell definitely rejuvenated Yann, Morrison, Solly (who some said had less to offer than Francis) and Leon Cort though
Because its boring! like your post
Oh Scabby, the mark of a good troll is someone who likes getting into debates about things. You can't start a thread and then claim to be bored when you get called on your nonsense, that's when the fun is meant to start. Did you learn nothing from Dowman?
Why are you so angry, calm down fella - Dowman what are you talking about? You have turned this thread into a debate about Powell which was not my intention at all, i did not even mention him in the OP. In my opinion, giving a decent run in the side which i dont personally think he has had, i belive Marvin will score goals for us.
I'm not angry, all my posts have been extremely calm. In fact in my last post I'm clearly joking. Nor did I bring up Powell. Reading is useful sometimes. Marvin was given a run at the start, was dropped for Church when Church took his opportunity at Oxford, and then has never showed anything since to indicate that he's worth playing. It's the BWP debate from last season all over again; when you're struggling at the bottom you can't afford to give a run to a striker who isn't scoring. Granted last season we had goalscoring alternatives whereas we're a bit short of it this time round but Riga gave a couple of games to Marvin, who didn't score, and against Bournemouth he had a look at Church. Church proved in the FA Cup though that he can come up with match winning goals. Marvin's never scored us a winner. We'll have to make do with what we have this season but Marvin's done nothing to justify getting a permanent deal with us
I thought you were being serious and then you mentioned Church.
Scabby, you say "You have turned this thread into a debate about Powell which was not my intention at all, i did not even mention him in the OP".
Before that you post "But now we have a coach who seems to like to keep the ball on the ground and actually attack teams at home I think that can only be to the benefit of Marvin Sordell".
And before that "Because there is a good player in there my friend, just needs to be coached correctly".
Your comments are about different styles of coaching and is a debate about Powell's management isn't it?
The position of a striker is largely about confidence for me, if Sordell gets the fans behind him and starts getting in at the least good areas or better yet scoring goals you'll start to see it ooze off him and he may be more tempted to try things he might not at the moment.
I know i am probably in the minority on this but i would not mind if we could sign Marvin on a permanent deal at the end of the season, strong fast just needs some Confidence which i think Jose can give him. Do not think the way we set up to play in the past did him any favours but am fully confident he will come good for us.
Nice try - baited a few. Just checking, you are joking aren't you? Sordell is one of the most cynically disinterest frauds to have sullied a charlton shirt - similar in disgrace to JimFat Hasselwank, Dimmi Traore and Amdy Faye. He runs busily after lost causes but makes sure he backs off in good time to avoid any challenge, he doesn't make runs into space, never chases back when he (frequently) concedes possession and generally stinks the place up with his appalling body language. Being discarded by Doogie from Bolton must have stung especially as they were poo at the time but at age 22 his attitude as a pro shoulda been "I'll show that sourpuss celt..." and give his all but no he slouches around sulking like a big massively overpaid baby. He'll be lucky if any club looks to sign him now - the arrival of Obika and continuing selection of Church proves how Moron is rated at Charlton: a P45 is the most he deserves.
Whether or not he's a nice guy who does stuff for charridee is irrelevant - he's here as a footballer - if his interests lie elsewhere he should follow them and stop pretending
While Scabbers does need to move on, get a grip and man up etc etc about his obsessive need to bring his imaginary lover Powell into every debate Sordell does have some ability and has shown it in the past, not least against us for Bolton in the 3 - 2 game. He left Dervitte for dead when scoring their first in the 3 - 2 win. He was subbed off their first sending off but before that had been a class act.
But for whatever reason he hasn't really shown it with us apart from very brief glimpses. He clearly has/had a good touch and an eye for goal but there is a reason that Bolton were so keen to get him out the door.
So what does he have in there exactly? And when have we seen it to suggest it is there?
Bolton paid well over the odds for him because he was very young and was a "hot prospect". I get the feeling that has led many to believe he is better than what he is.
You just have to understand football fella, its a funny old game
I understand Football mate, and with what I have seen with my own eyes he has under-delivered nearly every time he has come on the pitch.
He doesn't have pace and he doesn't have strength. On FIFA maybe yes, but can you tell me one game where he showed both those traits and looked like a real force for us?
Chris Powell has made about a dozen footballers become better players through joining Charlton, so I'd have him down as a pretty decent "coach". He clearly couldn't get this supposed unbelievable talent out of Sordell, and neither could anyone at Bolton.
The facts don't support your argument 'fella'.
Dougie Freeman and Chris Powell hmmmmmmmmmmmm fella
Ben Hamer Michael Morrison Chris Solly Rhoys Wiggins Dale Stephens Bradley Wright Phillips Yann Kermorgant Johnnie Jackson
All the above are players who were floating around at League 1/League 2 clubs or in our youth system and then, under Chris Powell, became better players. And I don't just mean slightly better - they became different players altogether. All of which produced form that they have never produced at any point in their careers. So yes, I think Chris Powell knows a thing or two about getting the best out of players. If it is there, then there is a good chance he will get it out based on his track record. In Marvin Sordell's case, all that is there is a big transfer fee at a young age - nothing more.
The only one i would give you there is Kermorgant me old mucker
Don't be silly.
Hamer went from being a regular with Brentford and Crawley Town to being a first choice keeper in the Championship. Morrison went from not even playing at Sheffield Wednesday to being co-captain of Charlton Chris Solly went from being a fringe/youth player to Fans' POTY 2 years running Rhoys Wiggins went from Bournemouth in League Two to being one of our best players in the Championship. Dale Stephens went from Oldham in League One to being a target for Aston Villa BWP had the best goalscoring season of his career under Powell Johnnie Jackson has scored over FORTY league goals for us, after coming to us originally as a left back!
You just have to understand football fella.....
Load of old bull son.
I see you've used a solid argument to back that up. You do like to troll on here don't you. I agree with most of Tom's but I think Wiggins was on an upward trajectory regardless of who he played for. Powell definitely rejuvenated Yann, Morrison, Solly (who some said had less to offer than Francis) and Leon Cort though
Because its boring! like your post
Oh Scabby, the mark of a good troll is someone who likes getting into debates about things. You can't start a thread and then claim to be bored when you get called on your nonsense, that's when the fun is meant to start. Did you learn nothing from Dowman?
Why are you so angry, calm down fella - Dowman what are you talking about? You have turned this thread into a debate about Powell which was not my intention at all, i did not even mention him in the OP. In my opinion, giving a decent run in the side which i dont personally think he has had, i belive Marvin will score goals for us.
I'm not angry, all my posts have been extremely calm. In fact in my last post I'm clearly joking. Nor did I bring up Powell. Reading is useful sometimes. Marvin was given a run at the start, was dropped for Church when Church took his opportunity at Oxford, and then has never showed anything since to indicate that he's worth playing. It's the BWP debate from last season all over again; when you're struggling at the bottom you can't afford to give a run to a striker who isn't scoring. Granted last season we had goalscoring alternatives whereas we're a bit short of it this time round but Riga gave a couple of games to Marvin, who didn't score, and against Bournemouth he had a look at Church. Church proved in the FA Cup though that he can come up with match winning goals. Marvin's never scored us a winner. We'll have to make do with what we have this season but Marvin's done nothing to justify getting a permanent deal with us
I thought you were being serious and then you mentioned Church.
Church has more goals and assists than Sordell. This is a fact.
the answer is in his head-----------between all the staff at Bolton and CAFC they must have told him many many times "he has the ability etc" and im sure this season it has also been explained to him its almost his last chance to show what he can do------yet you only see microscopic glimpses of a player------------all to often its horrific body language and the thought yet another player stealing a living.
come on Sodall -------------show us there is a player in there.
Scabby, you say "You have turned this thread into a debate about Powell which was not my intention at all, i did not even mention him in the OP".
Before that you post "But now we have a coach who seems to like to keep the ball on the ground and actually attack teams at home I think that can only be to the benefit of Marvin Sordell".
And before that "Because there is a good player in there my friend, just needs to be coached correctly".
Your comments are about different styles of coaching and is a debate about Powell's management isn't it?
But i did i mention Powell? just pointing out that i think Sordell will improve playing a different type of football, and if he is played time will tell who is right.
you can go to my thread i started "Powells football is terrible" and i will have a debate with you about Powell. Notice thats from september 2013 :-)
While Scabbers does need to move on, get a grip and man up etc etc about his obsessive need to bring his imaginary lover Powell into every debate Sordell does have some ability and has shown it in the past, not least against us for Bolton in the 3 - 2 game. He left Dervitte for dead when scoring their first in the 3 - 2 win. He was subbed off their first sending off but before that had been a class act.
But for whatever reason he hasn't really shown it with us apart from very brief glimpses. He clearly has/had a good touch and an eye for goal but there is a reason that Bolton were so keen to get him out the door.
So what does he have in there exactly? And when have we seen it to suggest it is there?
Bolton paid well over the odds for him because he was very young and was a "hot prospect". I get the feeling that has led many to believe he is better than what he is.
You just have to understand football fella, its a funny old game
I understand Football mate, and with what I have seen with my own eyes he has under-delivered nearly every time he has come on the pitch.
He doesn't have pace and he doesn't have strength. On FIFA maybe yes, but can you tell me one game where he showed both those traits and looked like a real force for us?
Chris Powell has made about a dozen footballers become better players through joining Charlton, so I'd have him down as a pretty decent "coach". He clearly couldn't get this supposed unbelievable talent out of Sordell, and neither could anyone at Bolton.
The facts don't support your argument 'fella'.
Dougie Freeman and Chris Powell hmmmmmmmmmmmm fella
Ben Hamer Michael Morrison Chris Solly Rhoys Wiggins Dale Stephens Bradley Wright Phillips Yann Kermorgant Johnnie Jackson
All the above are players who were floating around at League 1/League 2 clubs or in our youth system and then, under Chris Powell, became better players. And I don't just mean slightly better - they became different players altogether. All of which produced form that they have never produced at any point in their careers. So yes, I think Chris Powell knows a thing or two about getting the best out of players. If it is there, then there is a good chance he will get it out based on his track record. In Marvin Sordell's case, all that is there is a big transfer fee at a young age - nothing more.
The only one i would give you there is Kermorgant me old mucker
Don't be silly.
Hamer went from being a regular with Brentford and Crawley Town to being a first choice keeper in the Championship. Morrison went from not even playing at Sheffield Wednesday to being co-captain of Charlton Chris Solly went from being a fringe/youth player to Fans' POTY 2 years running Rhoys Wiggins went from Bournemouth in League Two to being one of our best players in the Championship. Dale Stephens went from Oldham in League One to being a target for Aston Villa BWP had the best goalscoring season of his career under Powell Johnnie Jackson has scored over FORTY league goals for us, after coming to us originally as a left back!
You just have to understand football fella.....
Load of old bull son.
I see you've used a solid argument to back that up. You do like to troll on here don't you. I agree with most of Tom's but I think Wiggins was on an upward trajectory regardless of who he played for. Powell definitely rejuvenated Yann, Morrison, Solly (who some said had less to offer than Francis) and Leon Cort though
Because its boring! like your post
Oh Scabby, the mark of a good troll is someone who likes getting into debates about things. You can't start a thread and then claim to be bored when you get called on your nonsense, that's when the fun is meant to start. Did you learn nothing from Dowman?
Why are you so angry, calm down fella - Dowman what are you talking about? You have turned this thread into a debate about Powell which was not my intention at all, i did not even mention him in the OP. In my opinion, giving a decent run in the side which i dont personally think he has had, i belive Marvin will score goals for us.
I'm not angry, all my posts have been extremely calm. In fact in my last post I'm clearly joking. Nor did I bring up Powell. Reading is useful sometimes. Marvin was given a run at the start, was dropped for Church when Church took his opportunity at Oxford, and then has never showed anything since to indicate that he's worth playing. It's the BWP debate from last season all over again; when you're struggling at the bottom you can't afford to give a run to a striker who isn't scoring. Granted last season we had goalscoring alternatives whereas we're a bit short of it this time round but Riga gave a couple of games to Marvin, who didn't score, and against Bournemouth he had a look at Church. Church proved in the FA Cup though that he can come up with match winning goals. Marvin's never scored us a winner. We'll have to make do with what we have this season but Marvin's done nothing to justify getting a permanent deal with us
I thought you were being serious and then you mentioned Church.
Church has more goals and assists than Sordell. This is a fact.
So what does he have in there exactly? And when have we seen it to suggest it is there?
Bolton paid well over the odds for him because he was very young and was a "hot prospect". I get the feeling that has led many to believe he is better than what he is.
You just have to understand football fella, its a funny old game
I understand Football mate, and with what I have seen with my own eyes he has under-delivered nearly every time he has come on the pitch.
He doesn't have pace and he doesn't have strength. On FIFA maybe yes, but can you tell me one game where he showed both those traits and looked like a real force for us?
Chris Powell has made about a dozen footballers become better players through joining Charlton, so I'd have him down as a pretty decent "coach". He clearly couldn't get this supposed unbelievable talent out of Sordell, and neither could anyone at Bolton.
The facts don't support your argument 'fella'.
Dougie Freeman and Chris Powell hmmmmmmmmmmmm fella
Ben Hamer Michael Morrison Chris Solly Rhoys Wiggins Dale Stephens Bradley Wright Phillips Yann Kermorgant Johnnie Jackson
All the above are players who were floating around at League 1/League 2 clubs or in our youth system and then, under Chris Powell, became better players. And I don't just mean slightly better - they became different players altogether. All of which produced form that they have never produced at any point in their careers. So yes, I think Chris Powell knows a thing or two about getting the best out of players. If it is there, then there is a good chance he will get it out based on his track record. In Marvin Sordell's case, all that is there is a big transfer fee at a young age - nothing more.
The only one i would give you there is Kermorgant me old mucker
Don't be silly.
Hamer went from being a regular with Brentford and Crawley Town to being a first choice keeper in the Championship. Morrison went from not even playing at Sheffield Wednesday to being co-captain of Charlton Chris Solly went from being a fringe/youth player to Fans' POTY 2 years running Rhoys Wiggins went from Bournemouth in League Two to being one of our best players in the Championship. Dale Stephens went from Oldham in League One to being a target for Aston Villa BWP had the best goalscoring season of his career under Powell Johnnie Jackson has scored over FORTY league goals for us, after coming to us originally as a left back!
You just have to understand football fella.....
Load of old bull son.
I see you've used a solid argument to back that up. You do like to troll on here don't you. I agree with most of Tom's but I think Wiggins was on an upward trajectory regardless of who he played for. Powell definitely rejuvenated Yann, Morrison, Solly (who some said had less to offer than Francis) and Leon Cort though
Because its boring! like your post
Oh Scabby, the mark of a good troll is someone who likes getting into debates about things. You can't start a thread and then claim to be bored when you get called on your nonsense, that's when the fun is meant to start. Did you learn nothing from Dowman?
Why are you so angry, calm down fella - Dowman what are you talking about? You have turned this thread into a debate about Powell which was not my intention at all, i did not even mention him in the OP. In my opinion, giving a decent run in the side which i dont personally think he has had, i belive Marvin will score goals for us.
I'm not angry, all my posts have been extremely calm. In fact in my last post I'm clearly joking. Nor did I bring up Powell. Reading is useful sometimes. Marvin was given a run at the start, was dropped for Church when Church took his opportunity at Oxford, and then has never showed anything since to indicate that he's worth playing. It's the BWP debate from last season all over again; when you're struggling at the bottom you can't afford to give a run to a striker who isn't scoring. Granted last season we had goalscoring alternatives whereas we're a bit short of it this time round but Riga gave a couple of games to Marvin, who didn't score, and against Bournemouth he had a look at Church. Church proved in the FA Cup though that he can come up with match winning goals. Marvin's never scored us a winner. We'll have to make do with what we have this season but Marvin's done nothing to justify getting a permanent deal with us
I thought you were being serious and then you mentioned Church.
Church has more goals and assists than Sordell. This is a fact.
1 more goal and 2 assists in over 1100 minutes
Out of interest, is there a reason you ignore Church's 4 cup goals and his cup assists? Is it because it doesn't fit the narrative so well?
Sordell has certainly been looking better of late - maybe we should wait and see if it is a false dawn or whether he might dispaly some of the attributes we expected to see at th estart of the season.
So what does he have in there exactly? And when have we seen it to suggest it is there?
Bolton paid well over the odds for him because he was very young and was a "hot prospect". I get the feeling that has led many to believe he is better than what he is.
You just have to understand football fella, its a funny old game
I understand Football mate, and with what I have seen with my own eyes he has under-delivered nearly every time he has come on the pitch.
He doesn't have pace and he doesn't have strength. On FIFA maybe yes, but can you tell me one game where he showed both those traits and looked like a real force for us?
Chris Powell has made about a dozen footballers become better players through joining Charlton, so I'd have him down as a pretty decent "coach". He clearly couldn't get this supposed unbelievable talent out of Sordell, and neither could anyone at Bolton.
The facts don't support your argument 'fella'.
Dougie Freeman and Chris Powell hmmmmmmmmmmmm fella
Ben Hamer Michael Morrison Chris Solly Rhoys Wiggins Dale Stephens Bradley Wright Phillips Yann Kermorgant Johnnie Jackson
All the above are players who were floating around at League 1/League 2 clubs or in our youth system and then, under Chris Powell, became better players. And I don't just mean slightly better - they became different players altogether. All of which produced form that they have never produced at any point in their careers. So yes, I think Chris Powell knows a thing or two about getting the best out of players. If it is there, then there is a good chance he will get it out based on his track record. In Marvin Sordell's case, all that is there is a big transfer fee at a young age - nothing more.
The only one i would give you there is Kermorgant me old mucker
Don't be silly.
Hamer went from being a regular with Brentford and Crawley Town to being a first choice keeper in the Championship. Morrison went from not even playing at Sheffield Wednesday to being co-captain of Charlton Chris Solly went from being a fringe/youth player to Fans' POTY 2 years running Rhoys Wiggins went from Bournemouth in League Two to being one of our best players in the Championship. Dale Stephens went from Oldham in League One to being a target for Aston Villa BWP had the best goalscoring season of his career under Powell Johnnie Jackson has scored over FORTY league goals for us, after coming to us originally as a left back!
You just have to understand football fella.....
Load of old bull son.
I see you've used a solid argument to back that up. You do like to troll on here don't you. I agree with most of Tom's but I think Wiggins was on an upward trajectory regardless of who he played for. Powell definitely rejuvenated Yann, Morrison, Solly (who some said had less to offer than Francis) and Leon Cort though
Because its boring! like your post
Oh Scabby, the mark of a good troll is someone who likes getting into debates about things. You can't start a thread and then claim to be bored when you get called on your nonsense, that's when the fun is meant to start. Did you learn nothing from Dowman?
Why are you so angry, calm down fella - Dowman what are you talking about? You have turned this thread into a debate about Powell which was not my intention at all, i did not even mention him in the OP. In my opinion, giving a decent run in the side which i dont personally think he has had, i belive Marvin will score goals for us.
I'm not angry, all my posts have been extremely calm. In fact in my last post I'm clearly joking. Nor did I bring up Powell. Reading is useful sometimes. Marvin was given a run at the start, was dropped for Church when Church took his opportunity at Oxford, and then has never showed anything since to indicate that he's worth playing. It's the BWP debate from last season all over again; when you're struggling at the bottom you can't afford to give a run to a striker who isn't scoring. Granted last season we had goalscoring alternatives whereas we're a bit short of it this time round but Riga gave a couple of games to Marvin, who didn't score, and against Bournemouth he had a look at Church. Church proved in the FA Cup though that he can come up with match winning goals. Marvin's never scored us a winner. We'll have to make do with what we have this season but Marvin's done nothing to justify getting a permanent deal with us
I thought you were being serious and then you mentioned Church.
Church has more goals and assists than Sordell. This is a fact.
1 more goal and 2 assists in over 1100 minutes
Out of interest, is there a reason you ignore Church's 4 cup goals and his cup assists? Is it because it doesn't fit the narrative so well?
because its goals in the league that matter, example fernando torres scored over 22+ goals last season which is quality for a striker yet when you realise he only scored 8 in the league everyone says hes shit
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Church or Sordell................Sordell everytime for me
Hamer went from being a regular with Brentford and Crawley Town to being a first choice keeper in the Championship.
Morrison went from not even playing at Sheffield Wednesday to being co-captain of Charlton
Chris Solly went from being a fringe/youth player to Fans' POTY 2 years running
Rhoys Wiggins went from Bournemouth in League Two to being one of our best players in the Championship.
Dale Stephens went from Oldham in League One to being a target for Aston Villa
BWP had the best goalscoring season of his career under Powell
Johnnie Jackson has scored over FORTY league goals for us, after coming to us originally as a left back!
You just have to understand football fella.....
Then again, i would put my mortgage on Les Reed being a better coach than Alex Ferguson, Steve Mclaran a better coach than Carlos Ancellotti and Tony Carr a better coach than Marcelo Lippi
You doubt the FACTUAL achievements of the likes of Solly, Jackson, Hamer, Powell etc, yet bang on about how good Marvin Sordell is. Troll on.
But now we have a coach who seems to like to keep the ball on the ground and actually attack teams at home I think that can only be to the benefit of Marvin Sordell.
You have turned this thread into a debate about Powell which was not my intention at all, i did not even mention him in the OP.
In my opinion, giving a decent run in the side which i dont personally think he has had, i belive Marvin will score goals for us.
Before that you post "But now we have a coach who seems to like to keep the ball on the ground and actually attack teams at home I think that can only be to the benefit of Marvin Sordell".
And before that "Because there is a good player in there my friend, just needs to be coached correctly".
Your comments are about different styles of coaching and is a debate about Powell's management isn't it?
Just checking, you are joking aren't you?
Sordell is one of the most cynically disinterest frauds to have sullied a charlton shirt - similar in disgrace to JimFat Hasselwank, Dimmi Traore and Amdy Faye.
He runs busily after lost causes but makes sure he backs off in good time to avoid any challenge, he doesn't make runs into space, never chases back when he (frequently) concedes possession and generally stinks the place up with his appalling body language.
Being discarded by Doogie from Bolton must have stung especially as they were poo at the time but at age 22 his attitude as a pro shoulda been "I'll show that sourpuss celt..." and give his all but no he slouches around sulking like a big massively overpaid baby. He'll be lucky if any club looks to sign him now - the arrival of Obika and continuing selection of Church proves how Moron is rated at Charlton: a P45 is the most he deserves.
Whether or not he's a nice guy who does stuff for charridee is irrelevant - he's here as a footballer - if his interests lie elsewhere he should follow them and stop pretending
Still think he's better than church though.
But for whatever reason he hasn't really shown it with us apart from very brief glimpses. He clearly has/had a good touch and an eye for goal but there is a reason that Bolton were so keen to get him out the door.
come on Sodall -------------show us there is a player in there.
you can go to my thread i started "Powells football is terrible" and i will have a debate with you about Powell. Notice thats from september 2013 :-)
Of course cup goals count. You might give more weight to league goals but cup goals DO matter.