He helped keep us up which is a plus. Is he too good for CAFC? I sense with the acquisition of Buyens and Vetokele (with more to come) together with the six others academy graduates getting older and hopefully better that our club was catching up with him! Would he win POTY next season? A shame he will not be on the journey with us and trust that Meire, Peeters and Duchatelet continue to land the players we need to move up the table. We need to get to a point where our best academy players sign up long term to help the club push on and finance development if they really do need to push on for financial and career reasons. Peeters was very clear that they were looking for a keeper, central defender and central midfield - look forward to more positive announcements to take the sting out of this one.
I don't understand what his family's wealth has to do with it. I don't expect his Dad to buy him a new house and/or a £50k car - both of which he'll be able to buy for himself if he signs for a big club.
In fact I am normally rather scathing of young men and women that have lemonade wages and Champagne lifestyles care of Mummy and Daddy.
Remember last season Cousins burst onto the scene, after a few months I think he got found out a little (although playing him on the right doesn't help) We'll see with Diego on how he develops. I'm disappointed he's leaving but after the Yann saga I've learnt not to get too attached to players. There's very little loyalty from both players and clubs these days, it's only the fans who stay loyal
But why should he? If he singed a deal with a £1m get out clause and he left two months later the club signing him would have given him £m less.
I, personally, fail to see why he owes the club so much money. I suspect that without him for those 20 games we would be in the third division. Is that not repayment enough?
He could have left to join his Dad, or another club, at any time over the last nine years yet he stayed, helped us to stay up and we might, still, get some compensation for him
I don't see why the talented players have to ensure that the clubs get money to run their academies when there are loads of players that benefit from the facilities and are let go for nothing.
You make a good argument, but I think you overplay it. I doubt that if, say, the fee was £1m he would lose all that money - the game is so weighted in favour of the players today that if you are really good and there is a scramble for your signature then you can pretty much ask for what you want.
Clubs like ours have survived on transfer fees like this for years, if we are now saying that whole system must change, then the first thing that must change is that players have to be paid a lot less.
As I say, only a couple of days ago a loyal employee of this club lost her job because the club loses millions of pounds each year. He could have signed a contract with a get-out clause which would (at worst) have had a marginal impact on the many millions that his next contract will earn him and would have allowed the club to employ the likes of her for the rest of their working lives. Instead he chose not to do that. To me, that is simply self-serving in a way that, in future years, he will learn to be very ashamed of.
As I say, I do respect your opinion, so I won't say any more.
Would have been nice if he'd signed a new contract with the knowledge he'd be allowed to move on if a suitable offer came in for him but he hasn't so oh well. He isn't the first to leave us and he sure won't be the last.
I also think he needs a reality check that he is probably not as good as he might think. He was a star in a crap team on a downward spiral. Thats it.
The praise of our fans and apparent club links like barcalona obvioulsy went to his head. He can say goodbye to garanteed 1st team action where everyone raves about him after he proves himself for a 2nd season.
4/5 months of 1st team action shows he obviously has premier POTENTIAL, but is nowhere near a done deal he will be that calibure of player.
I'm going to take a different view on this to where I was before.
I'm disappointed to see him go but I was more disappointed to see others go. Dale Stephens got a lot of stick for his sideways passing but Diego's game was very similar and he was hailed as a messiah. Much like Wilshere at Arsenal Diego has tonnes of potential at 18, but he is not nearly as good as Wilshere was at his age, but he could not kick on. I expect Poyet had his head turned by a big club, he will go and rot in the reserves and end up in league one aged 25-26 with all that potential wasted.
We all fell in love with the dream of what he could be. He's good now but he isn't a world class talent. Like Jenkinson he has a ceiling, he may make it at a prem club but I won't hold my breath.
If I could choose between Shelvey and Poyet I would choose Jonjo every time. Not because of some misplaced idea of loyalty in football, but as a coach Jonjo has his head screwed on better and technically I think he is the greater talent.
I also think he needs a reality check that he is probably not as good as he might think. He was a star in a crap team on a downward spiral. Thats it.
The praise of our fans and apparent club links like barcalona obvioulsy went to his head. He can say goodbye to garanteed 1st team action where everyone raves about him after he proves himself for a 2nd season.
4/5 months of 1st team action shows he obviously has premier POTENTIAL, but is nowhere near a done deal he will be that calibure of player.
All the best to him anyway.
Christ, we don't even know where he is going yet.
And why exactly has it "gone to his head"? He has won the Player of the Year award and big clubs have obviously come in for him and have told him that they're keen on his services. Would be a bit odd for him to turn around and say "I'm not good enough for you, whatever you say".
Disappointed but not surprised. Thanks for the brief memories, Diego, but I certainly won't take the same interest in your future career as I do with Jonjo's.
Entirely inevitable. Is an impressively assured player for his age. Yoni Buyens looks like a direct replacement. Now we need a creative attacking midfielder to feed the strikers.
Very disappointing but I guess the odds were always against him re-signing for us.
In term of mitigation:
- at least we now know where we are and we have plenty of time to strengthen the squad before the start of the season. Whilst we are not going to be able to "replace" Poyet in terms of quality, we should be able to strengthen in other positions
- subject to the qualification below, we'll get tribunal compensation in the absence of any agreement with his new club and, as KM infers, we really need to push as hard as we can to squeeze out the best possible deal. We are not a small or financially unstable club and, given RD's muscle, I'd like to see us take this to the Tribunal if necessary.
One factor the Tribunal will take into account (including the status of the new club) are the offers made by each club and I'm sure that CAFC put forward the best package it could.
We should get a few million for DP plus significant add-ons, depending upon his progress. For that reason alone, we should all be hoping that the lad does well - not forgetting that he played a key role in keeping us up. If we get a decent fee, it should help us get other good players in, rather like when we sold Lee Bowyer and Carl Jenkinson.
What will really put a spanner in the works is if he goes abroad - and I note the comments of DP's agent about interest from that quarter, as reported in Richard Cawley's tweet. In that event, the English tribunal would have no jurisdiction and, based on BBC reports of Tom Ince's once mooted transfer to Milan, we'd get a derisory fee. That really would utterly piss me off.
Let's hope that he goes to a Premier League side.
Feeling a little raw about this at present but navel gazing and recrimination won't do any of us any good and you can't ultimately blame the player. At least all the speculation is over and we now know where we are going forward (subject to the important issue of compensation).
I think he will make it and play for England. I see he's thanked Charlton for the 8 great years. Thanks for the 20-odd games, Diego. It doesn't seem like a fair return, but he shouldn't be playing Championship football. I just hope he's not playing reserve team football - that would really be a waste.
It also shows our new board are absolutely f*cking shite at wrapping up contracts.
Dont go all michael morrison and jackson on me thay are the small percentage that did actually sign.
But the previous pair left us in this mess. And I am disappointed at Diego's decision as I really believe he would be better off staying to get the extra experience even if just for a short time.
Entirely inevitable. Is an impressively assured player for his age. Yoni Buyens looks like a direct replacement. Now we need a creative attacking midfielder to feed the strikers.
This! Buyens in for Poyet and Vetokele in for Sordell plus eleven players from last season who will be one year older and hopefully better. Pope in for Alnwick and Lennon/Gomez for Wood if he doesn't stay. When we know who replaces Hamer, Dervite and Ajdarevic we will know our best 18 players. I'm confident it will be an improvement on last season but we're not going anywhere near the top 8.
But why should he? If he singed a deal with a £1m get out clause and he left two months later the club signing him would have given him £m less.
I, personally, fail to see why he owes the club so much money. I suspect that without him for those 20 games we would be in the third division. Is that not repayment enough?
He could have left to join his Dad, or another club, at any time over the last nine years yet he stayed, helped us to stay up and we might, still, get some compensation for him
I don't see why the talented players have to ensure that the clubs get money to run their academies when there are loads of players that benefit from the facilities and are let go for nothing.
You make a good argument, but I think you overplay it. I doubt that if, say, the fee was £1m he would lose all that money - the game is so weighted in favour of the players today that if you are really good and there is a scramble for your signature then you can pretty much ask for what you want.
Clubs like ours have survived on transfer fees like this for years, if we are now saying that whole system must change, then the first thing that must change is that players have to be paid a lot less.
As I say, only a couple of days ago a loyal employee of this club lost her job because the club loses millions of pounds each year. He could have signed a contract with a get-out clause which would (at worst) have had a marginal impact on the many millions that his next contract will earn him and would have allowed the club to employ the likes of her for the rest of their working lives. Instead he chose not to do that. To me, that is simply self-serving in a way that, in future years, he will learn to be very ashamed of.
As I say, I do respect your opinion, so I won't say any more.
This is the most important factor for the club moving forward. Poyet was offered way too much money for a club of our size (I suspect) and that was only ever going to be good practice if we could sell him at a later stage.
The new TV deal did something to compensate clubs for allowing the Premier League clubs to cherry pick our best talent for a notional fee. However, it has to be said that the previous 'deal' was hardly far to clubs like ours. As much as I laughed at the time the money Palace received for Bostock was an insult. The Bosman ruling made it very difficult for transfer tribunals for youth players to give adequate compensation to lower league clubs as the players could have just waited until his contract came to an end and then left on a free (subject to being old enough - 24 I think).
As a parent I can see both sides now - which I wouldn't have been able to do previously. If my son had an opportunity to show no loyalty to his previous employer while he made himself financially independent for the rest of his life I have to say I would have advised him to settle his conscience how ever he had to and take the money. I know that doesn't sit well with many on here but it's the truth, and I doubt that many parents would feel differently when it comes to their own children.
The only difference is that I wold insist (as much as a parent can) that my son was honest about his motivations and didn't mess people around.
His introduction to the first team saw Jordan Cousins moved out to the wing, so hopefully him leaving will see Cousins come back into the centre where he is a much better player. Fingers crossed we get a decent amount of compo for him.
I'm sure some of you are on drugs, hope he roots in a reserve team n he fucks his career up,he's been here since he was a kid. He should of signed a contract end up. Fuck him!!!!!
Adebayo Azeez - Released - spent a lot of money coaching him through the years, gave him his debut in football, we gave him a lot
Jordan Cook - Released - possibly the only one on this list valid of your point, but we paid him senior player wage and he didn't ever deliver
Leon Cort - Released - old pro, had clubs before and will have clubs after
Cedric Evina - Released - again, spent money paying him and never really delivered, has great pedigree and will get another club in league one
Kevin Feely - Released - another valid one, didnt spend long here and i do hope he finds a new club to develop him
Danny Green - Released - mustve paid him a decent signing on fee and paid him decent wages, never really delivered for the money we paid
Mark Gower - Released - seasoned old pro, ex premier league, was only ever going to be bit part/play one season
Danny Hollands - Released - seems to be happy playing in the lower leagues rather than trying to push himself into a championship team
Andy Hughes- Released - again, old pro
Bradley Jordan - Released - spent time and money developing him
Bradley Pritchard - Released - will get another club and gave him a massive chance by signing him which he took and then threw away.
Is anyone on that list a highly desirable signing? No Have they spent 8 years with the club investing in them and been handed their professional debut? No Have they had an example set to them like Shelvey and Jenkinson? The players on the list were not good enough for us. It's the same for thousands of players every season.
It's not about "owing the club a contract" - it's about doing the right thing. This leaves a really nasty taste in the mouth
Adebayo Azeez - Released - spent a lot of money coaching him through the years, gave him his debut in football, we gave him a lot
Jordan Cook - Released - possibly the only one on this list valid of your point, but we paid him senior player wage and he didn't ever deliver
Leon Cort - Released - old pro, had clubs before and will have clubs after
Cedric Evina - Released - again, spent money paying him and never really delivered, has great pedigree and will get another club in league one
Kevin Feely - Released - another valid one, didnt spend long here and i do hope he finds a new club to develop him
Danny Green - Released - mustve paid him a decent signing on fee and paid him decent wages, never really delivered for the money we paid
Mark Gower - Released - seasoned old pro, ex premier league, was only ever going to be bit part/play one season
Danny Hollands - Released - seems to be happy playing in the lower leagues rather than trying to push himself into a championship team
Andy Hughes- Released - again, old pro
Bradley Jordan - Released - spent time and money developing him
Bradley Pritchard - Released - will get another club and gave him a massive chance by signing him which he took and then threw away.
That's the way of football outside the Prem. Swings and roundabouts; going back a bit we bought Killer and Flash for a song and both gave us huge value. Incidentally, you say you hope Feely finds a new club; hasn't he signed for Newport County, where he had a spell on loan?
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A shame he will not be on the journey with us and trust that Meire, Peeters and Duchatelet continue to land the players we need to move up the table.
We need to get to a point where our best academy players sign up long term to help the club push on and finance development if they really do need to push on for financial and career reasons.
Peeters was very clear that they were looking for a keeper, central defender and central midfield - look forward to more positive announcements to take the sting out of this one.
Did we owe these people a contract then?
Adebayo Azeez - Released
Jordan Cook - Released
Leon Cort - Released
Cedric Evina - Released
Kevin Feely - Released
Danny Green - Released
Mark Gower - Released
Danny Hollands - Released
Andy Hughes- Released
Bradley Jordan - Released
Bradley Pritchard - Released
We all know that there in no loyalty with todays PRO footballers.
he has had us on a string for two months so now he just just naff off
dont wish him harm but wont wish him luck--he owes us much more than we owe him
In fact I am normally rather scathing of young men and women that have lemonade wages and Champagne lifestyles care of Mummy and Daddy.
Clubs like ours have survived on transfer fees like this for years, if we are now saying that whole system must change, then the first thing that must change is that players have to be paid a lot less.
As I say, only a couple of days ago a loyal employee of this club lost her job because the club loses millions of pounds each year. He could have signed a contract with a get-out clause which would (at worst) have had a marginal impact on the many millions that his next contract will earn him and would have allowed the club to employ the likes of her for the rest of their working lives. Instead he chose not to do that. To me, that is simply self-serving in a way that, in future years, he will learn to be very ashamed of.
As I say, I do respect your opinion, so I won't say any more.
The praise of our fans and apparent club links like barcalona obvioulsy went to his head. He can say goodbye to garanteed 1st team action where everyone raves about him after he proves himself for a 2nd season.
4/5 months of 1st team action shows he obviously has premier POTENTIAL, but is nowhere near a done deal he will be that calibure of player.
All the best to him anyway.
equally I am thinking "fuck him" and I can't help feeling like that.
Dont go all michael morrison and jackson on me thay are the small percentage that did actually sign.
I'm disappointed to see him go but I was more disappointed to see others go. Dale Stephens got a lot of stick for his sideways passing but Diego's game was very similar and he was hailed as a messiah. Much like Wilshere at Arsenal Diego has tonnes of potential at 18, but he is not nearly as good as Wilshere was at his age, but he could not kick on. I expect Poyet had his head turned by a big club, he will go and rot in the reserves and end up in league one aged 25-26 with all that potential wasted.
We all fell in love with the dream of what he could be. He's good now but he isn't a world class talent. Like Jenkinson he has a ceiling, he may make it at a prem club but I won't hold my breath.
If I could choose between Shelvey and Poyet I would choose Jonjo every time. Not because of some misplaced idea of loyalty in football, but as a coach Jonjo has his head screwed on better and technically I think he is the greater talent.
And why exactly has it "gone to his head"? He has won the Player of the Year award and big clubs have obviously come in for him and have told him that they're keen on his services. Would be a bit odd for him to turn around and say "I'm not good enough for you, whatever you say".
Thanks for the brief memories, Diego, but I certainly won't take the same interest in your future career as I do with Jonjo's.
In term of mitigation:
- at least we now know where we are and we have plenty of time to strengthen the squad before the start of the season. Whilst we are not going to be able to "replace" Poyet in terms of quality, we should be able to strengthen in other positions
- subject to the qualification below, we'll get tribunal compensation in the absence of any agreement with his new club and, as KM infers, we really need to push as hard as we can to squeeze out the best possible deal. We are not a small or financially unstable club and, given RD's muscle, I'd like to see us take this to the Tribunal if necessary.
One factor the Tribunal will take into account (including the status of the new club) are the offers made by each club and I'm sure that CAFC put forward the best package it could.
We should get a few million for DP plus significant add-ons, depending upon his progress. For that reason alone, we should all be hoping that the lad does well - not forgetting that he played a key role in keeping us up. If we get a decent fee, it should help us get other good players in, rather like when we sold Lee Bowyer and Carl Jenkinson.
What will really put a spanner in the works is if he goes abroad - and I note the comments of DP's agent about interest from that quarter, as reported in Richard Cawley's tweet. In that event, the English tribunal would have no jurisdiction and, based on BBC reports of Tom Ince's once mooted transfer to Milan, we'd get a derisory fee. That really would utterly piss me off.
Let's hope that he goes to a Premier League side.
Feeling a little raw about this at present but navel gazing and recrimination won't do any of us any good and you can't ultimately blame the player. At least all the speculation is over and we now know where we are going forward (subject to the important issue of compensation).
Jordan Cook - Released - possibly the only one on this list valid of your point, but we paid him senior player wage and he didn't ever deliver
Leon Cort - Released - old pro, had clubs before and will have clubs after
Cedric Evina - Released - again, spent money paying him and never really delivered, has great pedigree and will get another club in league one
Kevin Feely - Released - another valid one, didnt spend long here and i do hope he finds a new club to develop him
Danny Green - Released - mustve paid him a decent signing on fee and paid him decent wages, never really delivered for the money we paid
Mark Gower - Released - seasoned old pro, ex premier league, was only ever going to be bit part/play one season
Danny Hollands - Released - seems to be happy playing in the lower leagues rather than trying to push himself into a championship team
Andy Hughes- Released - again, old pro
Bradley Jordan - Released - spent time and money developing him
Bradley Pritchard - Released - will get another club and gave him a massive chance by signing him which he took and then threw away.
If I was him I would've looked elsewhere too.
Buyens in for Poyet and Vetokele in for Sordell plus eleven players from last season who will be one year older and hopefully better. Pope in for Alnwick and Lennon/Gomez for Wood if he doesn't stay. When we know who replaces Hamer, Dervite and Ajdarevic we will know our best 18 players. I'm confident it will be an improvement on last season but we're not going anywhere near the top 8.
The new TV deal did something to compensate clubs for allowing the Premier League clubs to cherry pick our best talent for a notional fee. However, it has to be said that the previous 'deal' was hardly far to clubs like ours. As much as I laughed at the time the money Palace received for Bostock was an insult. The Bosman ruling made it very difficult for transfer tribunals for youth players to give adequate compensation to lower league clubs as the players could have just waited until his contract came to an end and then left on a free (subject to being old enough - 24 I think).
As a parent I can see both sides now - which I wouldn't have been able to do previously. If my son had an opportunity to show no loyalty to his previous employer while he made himself financially independent for the rest of his life I have to say I would have advised him to settle his conscience how ever he had to and take the money. I know that doesn't sit well with many on here but it's the truth, and I doubt that many parents would feel differently when it comes to their own children.
The only difference is that I wold insist (as much as a parent can) that my son was honest about his motivations and didn't mess people around.
His introduction to the first team saw Jordan Cousins moved out to the wing, so hopefully him leaving will see Cousins come back into the centre where he is a much better player. Fingers crossed we get a decent amount of compo for him.
All the best for the future Diego.
Have they spent 8 years with the club investing in them and been handed their professional debut? No
Have they had an example set to them like Shelvey and Jenkinson?
The players on the list were not good enough for us. It's the same for thousands of players every season.
It's not about "owing the club a contract" - it's about doing the right thing. This leaves a really nasty taste in the mouth