NEW Charlton head coach Jose Riga has revealed he has yet to sign a contract at the club following his appointment on Tuesday
OS lying to us about him being a permanent manager then? Zzzzz... not believing a word coming out of the club at the moment, we are being told what we want to hear, not the truth.
So if I have got this right the current situation at CAFC is that we are still bottom, we are still out of the Cup, our best players have not signed new contracts our manager/head coach does not have a contract and no-one has the first idea of what's going on.
So what exactly has changed since Monday except we have had a foriegn coach with no knowledge of this division or what a relegation dogfight entails foist upon us and a club legend has been shabbily treated, or have I missed something?
So if I have got this right the current situation at CAFC is that we are still bottom, we are still out of the Cup, our best players have not signed new contracts our manager/head coach does not have a contract and no-one has the first idea of what's going on.
So what exactly has changed since Monday except we have had a foriegn coach with no knowledge of this division or what a relegation dogfight entails foist upon us and a club legend has been shabbily treated, or have I missed something?
Two days ago, something like that,” Riga said on Wednesday. “Don’t believe it was something prepared.
"Something like that" ??
You have suddenly arrived in a foreign country and have to immediately take charge of a game and you cannot be sure when this huge challenge was first put to you, even though it was a matter of hours rather than days?
We have a foreign coach who will do what he is told by RD.
what i dont understand is that everyone is taking this BBC interview as gospel
BUT why has noone stated that RD said and i quote
'the children (clubs) need to take care of themselves, just because i am a shareholder this does not mean that i am going to play a big role in deciding all of things, the management is responsible of the success of the club and not me'
also the guy that said we might become a feeder club works for standard, he doesnt have an input into charlton i think hes just saying what the standard fans want to hear.
So RD sacks Powell then rings Riga and asks if he's able to drop everything immediately, leave his current job and come to England to coach a team and it just so happens that Riga is able to drop everything, leave his job and fly over on the same day? Wow that was lucky! Yeah right.
Interesting that Dyer picked the team, as the formation/approach was extremely different to what a typical Powell side would look like.
Really? I though it looked pretty much like Powell would have had it - Maybe Tudgay instead of Reza on the wings or perhaps Jordan Cousins starting instead of on the bench, but broadly it seemed pretty similar to me.
Interesting that Dyer picked the team, as the formation/approach was extremely different to what a typical Powell side would look like.
Really? I though it looked pretty much like Powell would have had it - Maybe Tudgay instead of Reza on the wings or perhaps Jordan Cousins starting instead of on the bench, but broadly it seemed pretty similar to me.
From what I could see we had three up top (Sordell, Harriott and Astrit) in the first half, with Reza playing more of a supporting wing role rather than up front as we have seen him before.
It was a lot more attacking than a typical Powell side, hence how we generated more corners in the first half than we probably have had all season!
So RD sacks Powell then rings Riga and asks if he's able to drop everything immediately, leave his current job and come to England to coach a team and it just so happens that Riga is able to drop everything, leave his job and fly over on the same day? Wow that was lucky! Yeah right.
...for free. Don't believe anything that comes out of the club anymore. Full of liars.
Two days ago, something like that,” Riga said on Wednesday. “Don’t believe it was something prepared.
"Something like that" ??
You have suddenly arrived in a foreign country and have to immediately take charge of a game and you cannot be sure when this huge challenge was first put to you, even though it was a matter of hours rather than days?
Sorry. I don't believe that.
Well I don’t believe it either, but it doesn’t upset me.
Once RD has decided that it’s not going to work, he knows he has to sack CP and get in a new manager. There’s no way, at this stage of the season and in our position, that he’s going to first of all do the sacking and only then start looking for a replacement. He has to line up the replacement first.
Then we have JR put on the spot and asked when he first knew about it. He knows it will embarrass RD if he says he was approached while CP was still in post, so he avoids saying it - he had no choice.
Regardless of what we think about the sacking, I don’t find the process or the communications surrounding it troubling.
NEW Charlton head coach Jose Riga has revealed he has yet to sign a contract at the club following his appointment on Tuesday
OS lying to us about him being a permanent manager then? Zzzzz... not believing a word coming out of the club at the moment, we are being told what we want to hear, not the truth.
Sacking Chris Powell and appointing some foreign nobody certainly wasn't what I wanted to hear.
Interesting that Dyer picked the team, as the formation/approach was extremely different to what a typical Powell side would look like.
Was it?! Defence identical, midfield identical with the exception of maybe tudgay for reza (but possibly not after Sunday). Adjarevic has played off the forward previously, at SW.
So u would leave a good job at ac Milan fly over to south east London To take charge of us without being given a contract Realy!! I can smell something in the air?
So u would leave a good job at ac Milan fly over to south east London To take charge of us without being given a contract Realy!! I can smell something in the air?
why cant people see its obvious hes only going to be here until the summer, maybe rd will just pay him when he wants, why need a contract if hes going in 6 months??
So RD sacks Powell then rings Riga and asks if he's able to drop everything immediately, leave his current job and come to England to coach a team and it just so happens that Riga is able to drop everything, leave his job and fly over on the same day? Wow that was lucky! Yeah right.
Interesting that Dyer picked the team, as the formation/approach was extremely different to what a typical Powell side would look like.
Really? I though it looked pretty much like Powell would have had it - Maybe Tudgay instead of Reza on the wings or perhaps Jordan Cousins starting instead of on the bench, but broadly it seemed pretty similar to me.
From what I could see we had three up top (Sordell, Harriott and Astrit) in the first half, with Reza playing more of a supporting wing role rather than up front as we have seen him before.
It was a lot more attacking than a typical Powell side, hence how we generated more corners in the first half than we probably have had all season!
I had it as a 4-5-1 (or 4-2-3-1 if you prefer). Falling back on a 4-5-1 and shuffling the pack a bit strikes me as fairly typical Powell response to a morale damaging defeat like Saturday. I see what you mean about Reza, but it reminds me a little of the way he used to play N'Guessan.
The team last night may well have been different from the one Powell would've put out, but I don't think it was radically different.
Two days ago, something like that,” Riga said on Wednesday. “Don’t believe it was something prepared.
"Something like that" ??
You have suddenly arrived in a foreign country and have to immediately take charge of a game and you cannot be sure when this huge challenge was first put to you, even though it was a matter of hours rather than days?
Sorry. I don't believe that.
Well I don’t believe it either, but it doesn’t upset me.
Once RD has decided that it’s not going to work, he knows he has to sack CP and get in a new manager. There’s no way, at this stage of the season and in our position, that he’s going to first of all do the sacking and only then start looking for a replacement. He has to line up the replacement first.
Then we have JR put on the spot and asked when he first knew about it. He knows it will embarrass RD if he says he was approached while CP was still in post, so he avoids saying it - he had no choice.
Regardless of what we think about the sacking, I don’t find the process or the communications surrounding it troubling.
That is a fair post, however the question remains as to when exactly
RD has decided that it’s not going to work, he knows he has to sack CP and get in a new manager.
and also the criteria RD applied in order to reach that decision.
CP or no CP, I am against the trend for owners, many of whom understand football no better than you or I, to just sack managers on the slightest pretext, when they would probably never do that in the 'normal' business that they have successfully built up.
RD needed to be rid of our Chrissy as he had the yes man already lined up. So RD sends e mail to Chrissy telling him what team to play last Sunday knowing that Chrissy won't do it. Chrissy is dumped so he can bring in the well paid puppet. Not pre prepared? Do me a favour!
That is a fair post, however the question remains as to when exactly
RD has decided that it’s not going to work, he knows he has to sack CP and get in a new manager.
and also the criteria RD applied in order to reach that decision.
CP or no CP, I am against the trend for owners, many of whom understand football no better than you or I, to just sack managers on the slightest pretext, when they would probably never do that in the 'normal' business that they have successfully built up.
Taking you second point first, I’m with you on this. I think the sacking of managers has become ridiculous. However, to be fair to RD he was prepared to offer CP a new contract even though the club was in the relegation zone; most owners would not have been.
In terms of when, RD must have come to this conclusion after contract negotiations began, after financial terms were agreed (as they were), after CP said he also wanted agreement over the scope of his role (player recruitment, etc), and during the discussion on what RD was prepared to concede (if anything) in this respect - at a guess about a week or ten days ago, perhaps. It seems from what both parties have said that the single criterion for the decision was their inability to find an acceptable accommodation on the nature of the role.
So if I have got this right the current situation at CAFC is that we are still bottom, we are still out of the Cup, our best players have not signed new contracts our manager/head coach does not have a contract and no-one has the first idea of what's going on.
Of course it was prepared. But that's not JR's fault. Trying to embarrass the bloke or catch him out with such questions was futile. It has obviously been going on in the background for sometime. RD (in his opinion) provided CP with the tools and CP refused to use them. RD then lays it on the line on Sunday by telling CP the team he must pick, in full knowledge that CP would refuse and that JR was lined up and waiting in the wings.
Get real chaps - R.D. stated in his o.s. presentation that they had looked at Charlton and decided we needed new investment. Now the first question should be when - and the answer would be before they decided to purchase the club. the second question would be who was assessing the team. Certainly not Roland because he is a businessman and not a football manager. It was most probably JR or someone from Rd's extensive network of football people (remember he owns several clubs). JR was most probably on Rolands radar to manage one of his clubs long before CP departed Charlton. Some believe that CP was sacked on Sunday before the cup tie, JR could have been at the game aware that he was going to replace CP. When asked about the timing of RD's approach, JR was never going to say it was last week or last month was he, not because it wasn't true, but the resultant arguments would have continued long beyond the end of the season. Get real chaps.The truth in these situations is often not as we would wish or hope for.
Oh and I forgot. his contract - does anyone really believe that he is going to tell us that he's on a fat bonus to save us from relegation with the prospect of leaving us if he fails. Because Roland will have to re - assess his wage structure if we are relegated.
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OS lying to us about him being a permanent manager then? Zzzzz... not believing a word coming out of the club at the moment, we are being told what we want to hear, not the truth.
So what exactly has changed since Monday except we have had a foriegn coach with no knowledge of this division or what a relegation dogfight entails foist upon us and a club legend has been shabbily treated, or have I missed something?
"Something like that" ??
You have suddenly arrived in a foreign country and have to immediately take charge of a game and you cannot be sure when this huge challenge was first put to you, even though it was a matter of hours rather than days?
Sorry. I don't believe that.
BUT why has noone stated that RD said and i quote
'the children (clubs) need to take care of themselves, just because i am a shareholder this does not mean that i am going to play a big role in deciding all of things, the management is responsible of the success of the club and not me'
also the guy that said we might become a feeder club works for standard, he doesnt have an input into charlton i think hes just saying what the standard fans want to hear.
It was a lot more attacking than a typical Powell side, hence how we generated more corners in the first half than we probably have had all season!
Good choice. I also hear his best mate knows a thing or two as well.
Once RD has decided that it’s not going to work, he knows he has to sack CP and get in a new manager. There’s no way, at this stage of the season and in our position, that he’s going to first of all do the sacking and only then start looking for a replacement. He has to line up the replacement first.
Then we have JR put on the spot and asked when he first knew about it. He knows it will embarrass RD if he says he was approached while CP was still in post, so he avoids saying it - he had no choice.
Regardless of what we think about the sacking, I don’t find the process or the communications surrounding it troubling.
To take charge of us without being given a contract
Realy!!
I can smell something in the air?
The team last night may well have been different from the one Powell would've put out, but I don't think it was radically different.
RD has decided that it’s not going to work, he knows he has to sack CP and get in a new manager.
and also the criteria RD applied in order to reach that decision.
CP or no CP, I am against the trend for owners, many of whom understand football no better than you or I, to just sack managers on the slightest pretext, when they would probably never do that in the 'normal' business that they have successfully built up.
That is a fair post, however the question remains as to when exactly
RD has decided that it’s not going to work, he knows he has to sack CP and get in a new manager.
and also the criteria RD applied in order to reach that decision.
CP or no CP, I am against the trend for owners, many of whom understand football no better than you or I, to just sack managers on the slightest pretext, when they would probably never do that in the 'normal' business that they have successfully built up.
Taking you second point first, I’m with you on this. I think the sacking of managers has become ridiculous. However, to be fair to RD he was prepared to offer CP a new contract even though the club was in the relegation zone; most owners would not have been.
In terms of when, RD must have come to this conclusion after contract negotiations began, after financial terms were agreed (as they were), after CP said he also wanted agreement over the scope of his role (player recruitment, etc), and during the discussion on what RD was prepared to concede (if anything) in this respect - at a guess about a week or ten days ago, perhaps. It seems from what both parties have said that the single criterion for the decision was their inability to find an acceptable accommodation on the nature of the role.
the second question would be who was assessing the team. Certainly not Roland because he is a businessman and not a football manager. It was most probably JR or someone from Rd's extensive network of football people (remember he owns several clubs).
JR was most probably on Rolands radar to manage one of his clubs long before CP departed Charlton.
Some believe that CP was sacked on Sunday before the cup tie, JR could have been at the game aware that he was going to replace CP.
When asked about the timing of RD's approach, JR was never going to say it was last week or last month was he, not because it wasn't true, but the resultant arguments would have continued long beyond the end of the season.
Get real chaps.The truth in these situations is often not as we would wish or hope for.