The proof of Riga's pudding will be in how soon he drops the no-hopers from the matchday squad. Unless Tudgay is injured his omission last night was really tough and to be supplanted by the equal worst phoney to defile a Charlton Athletic shirt since 1993 would have to sting.
We don't know exactly how Riga will try to set us up yet, but we can maybe infer that he hasn't just been parachuted in to pick whoever RD tells him to.
Football is a very sentimental sport seth, because so much money and time and tears/laughs are dedicated to our team, people do not want to accept something bad may be afoot, they want to pick at positives to lull themselves into a false sense of protection. If people from the outside in, who support other teams, are telling me things about how this sort of guy is killing football, the whole of Twitters football scene are unhappy with it but there's nothing we can do, it is obvious to me we are under the wrong hands.
We will start to sound like broken records, by putting our voice across that people don't wholly agree with, to put themselves in a bubble away from it. It is SO glaringly obvious to me that we are part of helping him and not ourselves. Everything he has done is to help him and his ways, CP was not part of his 'army', CP would have spoke up for the club and it's intentions. Off he goes.
Anyone that want's to disagree with me please back up your sentiments with some reasons, not just the same old 'IF he gets us to the PL he will make so much more money, he is not a good businessman if he doesn't attempt this'. Incorrect. We would take a huge amount of change and pumping money in, he is not prepared to do this, is he giving us SL's good stuff to keep us up and push us up to the PL? Is he fuck.. we have players that would be lurking in their reserves.
If he wanted us to be pushed up the leagues and have intentions as a club he would have stated this, instead he has stated we are one of his children and each child is being treated equally. As well as someone representing him stating our good players go to SL (yes they may not go to SL - but they will be sold if they don't), and if a player is not good enough at SL, we will have them.
Positive people, what is your blind faith based on?? We are now a football academy to better his network, why else during a relegation scrap would he be signing U21 unready players, signing a manager not on a contract with no knowledge of the league. I can go on and on, RD must be laughing with what we put up with as fans, he could walk around the Valley and piss on our seats and we'd still go. I do not support SLRFC . There will be protests heading our way, but only once people open their eyes and minds.
Blind dogs follow the fools.
AA, I think that you are the one who needs to open his mind. Nobody, least of all a hugely successful businessman, is going to pay the best part of GBP 20 million to buy Charlton & then fund ongoing losses of GBP 5 million per season just to set up a football academy to better his network. Seriously!?
All the clubs in RD's network are managed independently, while looking to see what added-value benefits can be accrued through being part of the network. It's a clever idea & is the way that many successful businesses are run around the world. Will it work in football? Who knows. Only time will tell.
The idea that Charlton are a feeder club expected to provide players to expedite the success of SL is laughable. Players are not slaves, they don't go to clubs where they don't want to go. If any of our players were ever actually good enough to play Champions League football, and therefore be told they were moving to Belgium to play for SL, they would also certainly have the choice of moving to another club in England instead, if they so preferred. The fact that producing such players in the first place is going to be a very rare occurrence and the fact that even if we did produce such players they could always choose not to move to SL, means that this is no basis for a sustainable, successful business model. It is pure fantasy.
RD needs Charlton to be successful in their own right. If being part of the network can help secure that success, then RD will have achieved his objective. This is a long-term plan, though, and can only really be judged after it has had a chance to run its course. Relegation this year will be unfortunate, but won't change the plan. It may just delay the success that everybody wants.
The explanation as to what has happened with incoming players since RD's takeover is also, I believe, pretty simple & not sinister in the slightest. The takeover was fully completed by about mid-January and by then the transfer window was rapidly closing. Realising that we needed urgent reinforcements, attempts were made to find additional players quickly. So, first port of call is the network. Who was available and happy to move to the Valley in a hurry? The result was the oddball collection of players that showed up in SE7. Nothing sinister there, just that the people who engineered the moves had no experience of English football as played in the Championship. They misjudged just how hard the division is, but their intentions were good. The window then closed before RD had a chance to get his new management team up to speed & to fully determine what was needed. The timing of the takeover was unfortunate, if it had been completed just a couple of months earlier then I believe that the January transfer window would have seen a much more measured approach.
At this time I am happy to support RD's vision & give him time to prove it can work. It should be an exciting time over the next 2-3 years. CP obviously had major reservations about the vision, and therefore he had to go. A number of our supporters obviously have similar reservations. So each & every one of us needs to decide whether we are prepared to give it a chance & to fully support the club while the plan is enabled. But talk about us being a feeder club should not be part of that decision; it is obvious to me that this is not the case.
Football is a very sentimental sport seth, because so much money and time and tears/laughs are dedicated to our team, people do not want to accept something bad may be afoot, they want to pick at positives to lull themselves into a false sense of protection. If people from the outside in, who support other teams, are telling me things about how this sort of guy is killing football, the whole of Twitters football scene are unhappy with it but there's nothing we can do, it is obvious to me we are under the wrong hands.
We will start to sound like broken records, by putting our voice across that people don't wholly agree with, to put themselves in a bubble away from it. It is SO glaringly obvious to me that we are part of helping him and not ourselves. Everything he has done is to help him and his ways, CP was not part of his 'army', CP would have spoke up for the club and it's intentions. Off he goes.
Anyone that want's to disagree with me please back up your sentiments with some reasons, not just the same old 'IF he gets us to the PL he will make so much more money, he is not a good businessman if he doesn't attempt this'. Incorrect. We would take a huge amount of change and pumping money in, he is not prepared to do this, is he giving us SL's good stuff to keep us up and push us up to the PL? Is he fuck.. we have players that would be lurking in their reserves.
If he wanted us to be pushed up the leagues and have intentions as a club he would have stated this, instead he has stated we are one of his children and each child is being treated equally. As well as someone representing him stating our good players go to SL (yes they may not go to SL - but they will be sold if they don't), and if a player is not good enough at SL, we will have them.
Positive people, what is your blind faith based on?? We are now a football academy to better his network, why else during a relegation scrap would he be signing U21 unready players, signing a manager not on a contract with no knowledge of the league. I can go on and on, RD must be laughing with what we put up with as fans, he could walk around the Valley and piss on our seats and we'd still go. I do not support SLRFC . There will be protests heading our way, but only once people open their eyes and minds.
Blind dogs follow the fools.
AA, I think that you are the one who needs to open his mind. Nobody, least of all a hugely successful businessman, is going to pay the best part of GBP 20 million to buy Charlton & then fund ongoing losses of GBP 5 million per season just to set up a football academy to better his network. Seriously!?
All the clubs in RD's network are managed independently, while looking to see what added-value benefits can be accrued through being part of the network. It's a clever idea & is the way that many successful businesses are run around the world. Will it work in football? Who knows. Only time will tell.
The idea that Charlton are a feeder club expected to provide players to expedite the success of SL is laughable. Players are not slaves, they don't go to clubs where they don't want to go. If any of our players were ever actually good enough to play Champions League football, and therefore be told they were moving to Belgium to play for SL, they would also certainly have the choice of moving to another club in England instead, if they so preferred. The fact that producing such players in the first place is going to be a very rare occurrence and the fact that even if we did produce such players they could always choose not to move to SL, means that this is no basis for a sustainable, successful business model. It is pure fantasy.
RD needs Charlton to be successful in their own right. If being part of the network can help secure that success, then RD will have achieved his objective. This is a long-term plan, though, and can only really be judged after it has had a chance to run its course. Relegation this year will be unfortunate, but won't change the plan. It may just delay the success that everybody wants.
The explanation as to what has happened with incoming players since RD's takeover is also, I believe, pretty simple & not sinister in the slightest. The takeover was fully completed by about mid-January and by then the transfer window was rapidly closing. Realising that we needed urgent reinforcements, attempts were made to find additional players quickly. So, first port of call is the network. Who was available and happy to move to the Valley in a hurry? The result was the oddball collection of players that showed up in SE7. Nothing sinister there, just that the people who engineered the moves had no experience of English football as played in the Championship. They misjudged just how hard the division is, but their intentions were good. The window then closed before RD had a chance to get his new management team up to speed & to fully determine what was needed. The timing of the takeover was unfortunate, if it had been completed just a couple of months earlier then I believe that the January transfer window would have seen a much more measured approach.
At this time I am happy to support RD's vision & give him time to prove it can work. It should be an exciting time over the next 2-3 years. CP obviously had major reservations about the vision, and therefore he had to go. A number of our supporters obviously have similar reservations. So each & every one of us needs to decide whether we are prepared to give it a chance & to fully support the club while the plan is enabled. But talk about us being a feeder club should not be part of that decision; it is obvious to me that this is not the case.
Agree with this. Powell admitted that we had attempted to bring in some very good players, players that were not a part of the network. But they refused to come. That tells us that money was made available and that we are not confined to only being able to sign network players. RD provided us with the best that was available immediately from SL, most of whom Powell didn't seem to rate. Where RD has serious questions to answer, is the sale of Yann. IMO that was a huge error because Yann could have been integrated very effectively into a more attack minded team with Reza alongside him and AA behind. Whether that team was managed by CP or Riga, Yann could still have been a vital player.
Some comments on here are crazy, on Wednesday we only drew so Riga was not good enough according to some. All the Head Coach can do is send out his best team, well prepared tactically and in spirit. We created plenty of goal chances, it's the players who failed to take them, not the Coach. Secondly, when you consider Roland you think football, whilst Roland is thinking business, there is a hell of a big difference.
Red Pete there is a lot in what you say, and in many ways I hope you are right.
There is one thing I would like to discuss though. You say the idea that Charlton Athletic will become a feeder club is laughable, and a very strong reason you cite is that the players themselves have a say.
However there is the other direction to consider too, the notion (however laughable) that Standard Liege players who (and I quote) are not good enough for their first team, can go to Charlton to get experience.
Hear me out.
When we let players out on loan, Nick Pope and Joe Piggott for example, we hope they do well, they get experience. I don't scrutinise the tables and results to see if Nick Pope or Joe Piggott are getting York City or Gillingham up the leagues or whatnot. It is nice if they contribute to success, but my main interest is how well the individual players are doing for themselves, or for Charlton in the future. In the case of Michael Smith he did rather well, and we made a bit of a profit on him when he went to Swindon Town.
So fringe Standard Liege players come to us, either on loan or transferred or something. Is it with the main aim of getting success for Charlton and pushing us up the leagues? Yes that would be nice, but the signals I'm getting is that it would be just as nice if the players enhanced their value either for Standard Liege or to be sold (like Michael Smith).
In the olden days it was usually the reserve teams who served the function of gaining experience, and enhancing value of players. I can't for the life of me see much difference than what is proposed for us. We are to be on the face of it, in all but name, Standard Liege Reserves. That is also what the Standard Liege guy seemed to be saying on the BBC interview, and it also seemed to be the attitude of Jose Riga's assistant Karel when I met him in person.
It really seems he purpose of the exercise is not to worry much about results, money can be made from player churn and the rump of our loyal support. Plus added occasional bits like TV money and so on. To add a bit of colour Roland effectively saves £4mil if we go down.
So my attitude now is Jose Riga has to deliver results to either prove me wrong or assuage my fears. I expect him to keep us up. If RD is in any way credible and serious about us as a club that is what needs to happen...right here, right now.
It is now like being a glory hunting Prem fan. When Alan Curbishley first asked Alex Ferguson for advice, the answer was 'win matches'.
Football is a very sentimental sport seth, because so much money and time and tears/laughs are dedicated to our team, people do not want to accept something bad may be afoot, they want to pick at positives to lull themselves into a false sense of protection. If people from the outside in, who support other teams, are telling me things about how this sort of guy is killing football, the whole of Twitters football scene are unhappy with it but there's nothing we can do, it is obvious to me we are under the wrong hands.
We will start to sound like broken records, by putting our voice across that people don't wholly agree with, to put themselves in a bubble away from it. It is SO glaringly obvious to me that we are part of helping him and not ourselves. Everything he has done is to help him and his ways, CP was not part of his 'army', CP would have spoke up for the club and it's intentions. Off he goes.
Anyone that want's to disagree with me please back up your sentiments with some reasons, not just the same old 'IF he gets us to the PL he will make so much more money, he is not a good businessman if he doesn't attempt this'. Incorrect. We would take a huge amount of change and pumping money in, he is not prepared to do this, is he giving us SL's good stuff to keep us up and push us up to the PL? Is he fuck.. we have players that would be lurking in their reserves.
If he wanted us to be pushed up the leagues and have intentions as a club he would have stated this, instead he has stated we are one of his children and each child is being treated equally. As well as someone representing him stating our good players go to SL (yes they may not go to SL - but they will be sold if they don't), and if a player is not good enough at SL, we will have them.
Positive people, what is your blind faith based on?? We are now a football academy to better his network, why else during a relegation scrap would he be signing U21 unready players, signing a manager not on a contract with no knowledge of the league. I can go on and on, RD must be laughing with what we put up with as fans, he could walk around the Valley and piss on our seats and we'd still go. I do not support SLRFC . There will be protests heading our way, but only once people open their eyes and minds.
Blind dogs follow the fools.
AA, I think that you are the one who needs to open his mind. Nobody, least of all a hugely successful businessman, is going to pay the best part of GBP 20 million to buy Charlton & then fund ongoing losses of GBP 5 million per season just to set up a football academy to better his network. Seriously!?
All the clubs in RD's network are managed independently, while looking to see what added-value benefits can be accrued through being part of the network. It's a clever idea & is the way that many successful businesses are run around the world. Will it work in football? Who knows. Only time will tell.
The idea that Charlton are a feeder club expected to provide players to expedite the success of SL is laughable. Players are not slaves, they don't go to clubs where they don't want to go. If any of our players were ever actually good enough to play Champions League football, and therefore be told they were moving to Belgium to play for SL, they would also certainly have the choice of moving to another club in England instead, if they so preferred. The fact that producing such players in the first place is going to be a very rare occurrence and the fact that even if we did produce such players they could always choose not to move to SL, means that this is no basis for a sustainable, successful business model. It is pure fantasy.
RD needs Charlton to be successful in their own right. If being part of the network can help secure that success, then RD will have achieved his objective. This is a long-term plan, though, and can only really be judged after it has had a chance to run its course. Relegation this year will be unfortunate, but won't change the plan. It may just delay the success that everybody wants.
The explanation as to what has happened with incoming players since RD's takeover is also, I believe, pretty simple & not sinister in the slightest. The takeover was fully completed by about mid-January and by then the transfer window was rapidly closing. Realising that we needed urgent reinforcements, attempts were made to find additional players quickly. So, first port of call is the network. Who was available and happy to move to the Valley in a hurry? The result was the oddball collection of players that showed up in SE7. Nothing sinister there, just that the people who engineered the moves had no experience of English football as played in the Championship. They misjudged just how hard the division is, but their intentions were good. The window then closed before RD had a chance to get his new management team up to speed & to fully determine what was needed. The timing of the takeover was unfortunate, if it had been completed just a couple of months earlier then I believe that the January transfer window would have seen a much more measured approach.
At this time I am happy to support RD's vision & give him time to prove it can work. It should be an exciting time over the next 2-3 years. CP obviously had major reservations about the vision, and therefore he had to go. A number of our supporters obviously have similar reservations. So each & every one of us needs to decide whether we are prepared to give it a chance & to fully support the club while the plan is enabled. But talk about us being a feeder club should not be part of that decision; it is obvious to me that this is not the case.
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What has he bought us for then? He is not a football man, he is a business man. He has not bought us for the love of the game while taking a dent in his bank account.
Why is it laughable? He has stated that is his intention, has he not? I'm only going off what he said in an interview. Yes it may not work, but if you haven't noticed, anyone against his scheme has been booted out the back door. If players go against his army-like ways, they will be SOLD elsewhere, outside of the network, for money. How is this benefitting us? Who do we get in return?? Players with no affiliation to us except to improve aspects of their game and showcase their skills to move on elsewhere. This is part fact and part assumption.
I am open to debate, no one can be proved correct or incorrect as the proof is in the pudding, but let's be honest, our current assistant manager has said we are second in line to the throne behind Standard Liege. His scouting network manager or something along those lines, has stated the order of which he hopes for it to go player-wise. And that's not to benefit us.
Regarding urgent players, he was either viewing us on Football Manager 2014 or your statement I can't quite agree with, the players we got in were not to keep us up, or they would be fully fit and in the positions we needed them. Goals was the main requirement, only one player with a history of scoring goals was brought in to strengthen the first team
Don't Crewe Alexandra make a profit by focusing on youth development and having a good academy while never getting above League 1?
By concentrating on developing its own players the club remained profitable (a rarity in lower division football at the time) by selling them on after they have gained experience with Crewe. The Academy is known to stress technical excellence, which accords with Gradi's aim to have his sides play attractive, passing football.
There are now two CAFCs that are both living life the same.
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Unless Tudgay is injured his omission last night was really tough and to be supplanted by the equal worst phoney to defile a Charlton Athletic shirt since 1993 would have to sting.
Riga didn't pick the team against Huddersfield. He took one light training session. Dyer and Matthews prepared the team.
Can't really get a gage of things until after this weekends game...
All the clubs in RD's network are managed independently, while looking to see what added-value benefits can be accrued through being part of the network. It's a clever idea & is the way that many successful businesses are run around the world. Will it work in football? Who knows. Only time will tell.
The idea that Charlton are a feeder club expected to provide players to expedite the success of SL is laughable. Players are not slaves, they don't go to clubs where they don't want to go. If any of our players were ever actually good enough to play Champions League football, and therefore be told they were moving to Belgium to play for SL, they would also certainly have the choice of moving to another club in England instead, if they so preferred. The fact that producing such players in the first place is going to be a very rare occurrence and the fact that even if we did produce such players they could always choose not to move to SL, means that this is no basis for a sustainable, successful business model. It is pure fantasy.
RD needs Charlton to be successful in their own right. If being part of the network can help secure that success, then RD will have achieved his objective. This is a long-term plan, though, and can only really be judged after it has had a chance to run its course. Relegation this year will be unfortunate, but won't change the plan. It may just delay the success that everybody wants.
The explanation as to what has happened with incoming players since RD's takeover is also, I believe, pretty simple & not sinister in the slightest. The takeover was fully completed by about mid-January and by then the transfer window was rapidly closing. Realising that we needed urgent reinforcements, attempts were made to find additional players quickly. So, first port of call is the network. Who was available and happy to move to the Valley in a hurry? The result was the oddball collection of players that showed up in SE7. Nothing sinister there, just that the people who engineered the moves had no experience of English football as played in the Championship. They misjudged just how hard the division is, but their intentions were good. The window then closed before RD had a chance to get his new management team up to speed & to fully determine what was needed. The timing of the takeover was unfortunate, if it had been completed just a couple of months earlier then I believe that the January transfer window would have seen a much more measured approach.
At this time I am happy to support RD's vision & give him time to prove it can work. It should be an exciting time over the next 2-3 years. CP obviously had major reservations about the vision, and therefore he had to go. A number of our supporters obviously have similar reservations. So each & every one of us needs to decide whether we are prepared to give it a chance & to fully support the club while the plan is enabled. But talk about us being a feeder club should not be part of that decision; it is obvious to me that this is not the case.
There is one thing I would like to discuss though. You say the idea that Charlton Athletic will become a feeder club is laughable, and a very strong reason you cite is that the players themselves have a say.
However there is the other direction to consider too, the notion (however laughable) that Standard Liege players who (and I quote) are not good enough for their first team, can go to Charlton to get experience.
Hear me out.
When we let players out on loan, Nick Pope and Joe Piggott for example, we hope they do well, they get experience. I don't scrutinise the tables and results to see if Nick Pope or Joe Piggott are getting York City or Gillingham up the leagues or whatnot. It is nice if they contribute to success, but my main interest is how well the individual players are doing for themselves, or for Charlton in the future. In the case of Michael Smith he did rather well, and we made a bit of a profit on him when he went to Swindon Town.
So fringe Standard Liege players come to us, either on loan or transferred or something. Is it with the main aim of getting success for Charlton and pushing us up the leagues? Yes that would be nice, but the signals I'm getting is that it would be just as nice if the players enhanced their value either for Standard Liege or to be sold (like Michael Smith).
In the olden days it was usually the reserve teams who served the function of gaining experience, and enhancing value of players. I can't for the life of me see much difference than what is proposed for us. We are to be on the face of it, in all but name, Standard Liege Reserves. That is also what the Standard Liege guy seemed to be saying on the BBC interview, and it also seemed to be the attitude of Jose Riga's assistant Karel when I met him in person.
It really seems he purpose of the exercise is not to worry much about results, money can be made from player churn and the rump of our loyal support. Plus added occasional bits like TV money and so on. To add a bit of colour Roland effectively saves £4mil if we go down.
So my attitude now is Jose Riga has to deliver results to either prove me wrong or assuage my fears. I expect him to keep us up. If RD is in any way credible and serious about us as a club that is what needs to happen...right here, right now.
It is now like being a glory hunting Prem fan. When Alan Curbishley first asked Alex Ferguson for advice, the answer was 'win matches'.
Charlton had simply better win matches.
What has he bought us for then? He is not a football man, he is a business man. He has not bought us for the love of the game while taking a dent in his bank account.
Why is it laughable? He has stated that is his intention, has he not? I'm only going off what he said in an interview. Yes it may not work, but if you haven't noticed, anyone against his scheme has been booted out the back door. If players go against his army-like ways, they will be SOLD elsewhere, outside of the network, for money. How is this benefitting us? Who do we get in return?? Players with no affiliation to us except to improve aspects of their game and showcase their skills to move on elsewhere. This is part fact and part assumption.
I am open to debate, no one can be proved correct or incorrect as the proof is in the pudding, but let's be honest, our current assistant manager has said we are second in line to the throne behind Standard Liege. His scouting network manager or something along those lines, has stated the order of which he hopes for it to go player-wise. And that's not to benefit us.
Regarding urgent players, he was either viewing us on Football Manager 2014 or your statement I can't quite agree with, the players we got in were not to keep us up, or they would be fully fit and in the positions we needed them. Goals was the main requirement, only one player with a history of scoring goals was brought in to strengthen the first team
There are now two CAFCs that are both living life the same.