RD has already said that Charlton must learn to break even. Therefore he has no intention of putting money into our club long term. He can hardly refuse to improve the cow field that is currently being used as a pitch. In good old commercial terms,he is about to asset strip our club. He may know about electronics but his collection of football clubs is basically a rag bag affair . Standard Leige may be able to hold their own in the Premiership, but as the jewel in his crown I think he got it from Ratners.
Oh, not this again! MikeBaileysFanClub - the club has two 'assets': the ground (which would be incredibly difficult to sell against the backdrop of huge fan and media pressure) and the players.
So do you believe that the players at this club are worth the £12m/£15m/£20m or whatever he paid for the club, plus the ongoing losses that he has to fund, plus the existing debt that he would be liable for if the club closed? Because, if not, then it is the worst bit of 'asset stripping' in the history of corrupt business.
I'm genuinely surprised how many people on here are happy with our club having no identity whatsoever.
Maybe it'll begin to sink in when the summer transfer window opens and we have no Rumours Rumours thread (apart from an outgoing one). Whilst this dictator is in charge we will only be taking players from "the network". You can forget any more summers like the one we had a few years back when we bought players with know-how of the league we're in.
We're turning into a passing machine where the football may be pretty but we'll have no fight, passion or know-how of how to escape from League 1 (apart from slipping out of the bottom of it).
Yesterday was summed up when i read an article on the football club website from where our new assistant coach (puppet) came from. It stated that he had agreed to join "the Duchatelet network". Charlton hardly got a mention.
We are now part of a feeder network for SL. We will share coaches, players, staff, ideas but nothing will have any identity of being the club i love, Charlton.
RD has already said that Charlton must learn to break even. Therefore he has no intention of putting money into our club long term.
If reports are to be believed we have had a "mystery" person putting £1m a month in our bank account to keep us afloat this season. I assume that person is no longer doing this now RD has bought us. This being the case who do you think is keeping us afloat now and paying the bills, my guess its RD with his money.
We will have the best Dome for a pitch in League One
So many blinkers/agendas
Part of the attraction for me in sticking with Charlton over the years has been the off the pitch stuff, none of us watch Charlton for the glory but we have always had pride about the way we operate.
The way RD has operated smacks of the class of Chelsea
Oh, not this again! MikeBaileysFanClub - the club has two 'assets': the ground (which would be incredibly difficult to sell against the backdrop of huge fan and media pressure) and the players.
So do you believe that the players at this club are worth the £12m/£15m/£20m or whatever he paid for the club, plus the ongoing losses that he has to fund, plus the existing debt that he would be liable for if the club closed? Because, if not, then it is the worst bit of 'asset stripping' in the history of corrupt business.
It is a complete myth!
Time will tell I'm afraid. I admire your optimism though. Have you put your name down for one of the new flats at the Upton Park development yet ?
Would those that feel being part of the network means we lose our identity feel the same if a billionaire came in and spent millions on transfer fees and a huge wage bill to take us up to the Prem? I wouldn't call that "the Charlton way" either, but if it works we'd probably enjoy the success.
We needed a new owner and unless they're happy to put that sort of money into the club to attempt to buy promotion we need a way for the club to keep running at Championship level.
Ideally we'd have an owner willing to put in a few million (at least) every season to keep the club running, invest in the academy to take it to category 1, sort out the pitch and give the manager a decent Championship budget. They'd have no links to other clubs and perhaps they'd even be a Charlton fan.
Look at the sort of owners other clubs have. Sacking managers every season, building up unsustainable wage bills, some even change clubs names or colours. I'm not sure that ideal owner is out there. Maybe RD looked the best option at the time. Maybe he was the only option.
Decent article but the rambling about record attendances utterly irrelevant. But he is right. The future looks very grim. The better we do, the more the best assets will be passed on to his other clubs. It's a no-win situation.
I'm genuinely surprised how many people on here are happy with our club having no identity whatsoever.
Maybe it'll begin to sink in when the summer transfer window opens and we have no Rumours Rumours thread (apart from an outgoing one). Whilst this dictator is in charge we will only be taking players from "the network". You can forget any more summers like the one we had a few years back when we bought players with know-how of the league we're in.
We're turning into a passing machine where the football may be pretty but we'll have no fight, passion or know-how of how to escape from League 1 (apart from slipping out of the bottom of it).
Yesterday was summed up when i read an article on the football club website from where our new assistant coach (puppet) came from. It stated that he had agreed to join "the Duchatelet network". Charlton hardly got a mention.
We are now part of a feeder network for SL. We will share coaches, players, staff, ideas but nothing will have any identity of being the club i love, Charlton.
Totally right. How on earth can any true Charlton fan be comfortable with the current situation and the potential future in store for us?
MikeBaileysFanClub - answer me one question: do you think that it is reasonably conceivable that the potential sale value of the players at the club - say in the next five years - will be worth more than the £12m/£15m/£20m or whatever he paid for the club, plus the ongoing losses that he has to fund, plus the existing debt that he would be liable for if the club closed? Particularly if the club was in League 1 for most of that time?
Would those that feel being part of the network means we lose our identity feel the same if a billionaire came in and spent millions on transfer fees and a huge wage bill to take us up to the Prem? I wouldn't call that "the Charlton way" either, but if it works we'd probably enjoy the success.
We needed a new owner and unless they're happy to put that sort of money into the club to attempt to buy promotion we need a way for the club to keep running at Championship level.
Ideally we'd have an owner willing to put in a few million (at least) every season to keep the club running, invest in the academy to take it to category 1, sort out the pitch and give the manager a decent Championship budget. They'd have no links to other clubs and perhaps they'd even be a Charlton fan.
Look at the sort of owners other clubs have. Sacking managers every season, building up unsustainable wage bills, some even change clubs names or colours. I'm not sure that ideal owner is out there. Maybe RD looked the best option at the time. Maybe he was the only option.
Nothing to do with things being the Charlton way. I wouldn't be totally comfortable with it but at least that scenario would mean players being brought in for the sole benefit and success of Charlton. Many are not convinced that the current network has the sole interests of Charlton at heart and that we may be used for other peoples/clubs benefits before our own. Perfectly happy to be part of a network that's well run and in our individual interest as a unique club. It isn't clear whether that is going to be the case or not and events since the take over have people rightfully questioning. Time will tell.
What everyone who writes all these articles and talks on the radio about charlton dont realise, regardless of RD our performances this season have been hopeless, actually worse than hopeless. No away win since november, lowest scoreres in the whole leagues. But i suppose thats RDs fault because he said we might sell a player to liege. I have no doubt, and many of you said also that we would be relegated if powell stayed, but now hes gone youre outraged. Ridiculous
What everyone who writes all these articles and talks on the radio about charlton dont realise, regardless of RD our performances this season have been hopeless, actually worse than hopeless. No away win since november, lowest scoreres in the whole leagues. But i suppose thats RDs fault because he said we might sell a player to liege. I have no doubt, and many of you said also that we would be relegated if powell stayed, but now hes gone youre outraged. Ridiculous
So you're not a believer in the manager being able to pick his own team? To be able to sign his own players and to be able to keep hold of those he wants to? Think you (and others) need to look at the bigger picture here.
What everyone who writes all these articles and talks on the radio about charlton dont realise, regardless of RD our performances this season have been hopeless, actually worse than hopeless. No away win since november, lowest scoreres in the whole leagues. But i suppose thats RDs fault because he said we might sell a player to liege. I have no doubt, and many of you said also that we would be relegated if powell stayed, but now hes gone youre outraged. Ridiculous
You still have not got even the remotest of idea about what the issue is here have you! It is not about Powell getting the sack. It is about the type of club we want compared to what the Belgian will provide
What everyone who writes all these articles and talks on the radio about charlton dont realise, regardless of RD our performances this season have been hopeless, actually worse than hopeless. No away win since november, lowest scoreres in the whole leagues. But i suppose thats RDs fault because he said we might sell a player to liege. I have no doubt, and many of you said also that we would be relegated if powell stayed, but now hes gone youre outraged. Ridiculous
Relegation or not is pretty irrelevant and indeed relatively few posts overall have said that we're now gonna be relegated without or we weren't going to relegated with CP. You're just picking up on that because that's been your view on CP and the football/results for a while and that's fine. But many are questioning a bigger overall picture and where the club stands long term.
Would those that feel being part of the network means we lose our identity feel the same if a billionaire came in and spent millions on transfer fees and a huge wage bill to take us up to the Prem? I wouldn't call that "the Charlton way" either, but if it works we'd probably enjoy the success.
We needed a new owner and unless they're happy to put that sort of money into the club to attempt to buy promotion we need a way for the club to keep running at Championship level.
Ideally we'd have an owner willing to put in a few million (at least) every season to keep the club running, invest in the academy to take it to category 1, sort out the pitch and give the manager a decent Championship budget. They'd have no links to other clubs and perhaps they'd even be a Charlton fan.
Look at the sort of owners other clubs have. Sacking managers every season, building up unsustainable wage bills, some even change clubs names or colours. I'm not sure that ideal owner is out there. Maybe RD looked the best option at the time. Maybe he was the only option.
Nothing to do with things being the Charlton way. I wouldn't be totally comfortable with it but at least that scenario would mean players being brought in for the sole benefit and success of Charlton. Many are not convinced that the current network has the sole interests of Charlton at heart and that we may be used for other peoples/clubs benefits before our own. Perfectly happy to be part of a network that's well run and in our individual interest as a unique club. It isn't clear whether that is going to be the case or not and events since the take over have people rightfully questioning. Time will tell.
Do agree and I have concerns myself. I just think it's too early to decide we'll be nothing more than a feeder club to Standard Liege.
At the moment I don't think we have any players they'd want and if we were to drop down to League 1 (or eventually even lower, as some have suggested) we'd be very unlikely to ever have the sort of players they'd want. Players won't develop to that level playing in the English lower leagues, and even if they do they'd sill have to agree to a move.
We're also limited by the number of players we can take on loan (although I know we could get around that by signing them permanently and then selling them back).
If there are a couple of very good young players at Jena and Alcorcon and they improve our team for a season is that a problem? Will only benefit us for a season but it could work both ways.
If Poyet outgrows CAFC he goes anyway, I don't care if he is with another RD club, but I care if we don't get a fair price or he's sold before we've had the benefit of his talent. Not a refusenik but trying to see a glint of a chance that change, however uncomfortable, might halt our current decline, and the worst scenario might be a wrong reading of the runes.
Poyet is out of contract in the summer. It's almost a certainty that he'll leave and we will get a development fee of around 400k. None of which is RD's fault before you suggest otherwise.
What everyone who writes all these articles and talks on the radio about charlton dont realise, regardless of RD our performances this season have been hopeless, actually worse than hopeless. No away win since november, lowest scoreres in the whole leagues. But i suppose thats RDs fault because he said we might sell a player to liege. I have no doubt, and many of you said also that we would be relegated if powell stayed, but now hes gone youre outraged. Ridiculous
Relegation or not is pretty irrelevant and indeed relatively few posts overall have said that we're now gonna be relegated without or we weren't going to relegated with CP. You're just picking up on that because that's been your view on CP and the football/results for a while and that's fine. But many are questioning a bigger overall picture and where the club stands long term.
if the club is successful and we dont move, change colour ect who cares who picks the side? would you rather a side doing crap because the manager picks his own side? or doing well because someone else is?
who cares if we sign someone from europe to go in the side with players coming through the academy.
like i have said before, id rather have a player from europe like max gradel for 1 mil than pay 4.5 mil for dwight gale, we could by three players his standard! will hughes is being marked at 8mil? 8 mil could get you 8 michu's.
aslong as we are winning games playing attractive football at the new pitch being put down in the valley in the red of charlton do you REALLY CARE if the coach or someone above him picks the team.
if we are winning you will never know who picks it anyway.
as for players going to liege, if they are good enough for them they would be sold to somewhere else anyway, but the player has to agree also.
another point, it was suggested that someone bid for liege but RD wanted 10 mil more. if he does sell next season if they get into the champions league some people who are going OTT are going to look stupid.
lets wait until the end of the season and if we are relegated on a whimper and sign fuck all players, then we can start to panic/worry/protest
If Poyet outgrows CAFC he goes anyway, I don't care if he is with another RD club, but I care if we don't get a fair price or he's sold before we've had the benefit of his talent. Not a refusenik but trying to see a glint of a chance that change, however uncomfortable, might halt our current decline, and the worst scenario might be a wrong reading of the runes.
Poyet is out of contract in the summer. It's almost a certainty that he'll leave and we will get a development fee of around 400k. None of which is RD's fault before you suggest otherwise.
Him being out of contract may not be RD's fault, but i think the chances of him leaving at the end of the season have tripled within the last 30 hours. (see his tweets last night.)
I know I should probably just give up argueing haha, But it's easy to forget the good points ie getting a new pitch, Upgrading training ground, Having a world wide scouting network, Signing wiggins on 4 year deal ?
Be honest with us, are you Roland? Because these aren't positives, these are all to help his money making and network, the pitch is a must as without it we can't function as a football team.
What everyone who writes all these articles and talks on the radio about charlton dont realise, regardless of RD our performances this season have been hopeless, actually worse than hopeless. No away win since november, lowest scoreres in the whole leagues. But i suppose thats RDs fault because he said we might sell a player to liege. I have no doubt, and many of you said also that we would be relegated if powell stayed, but now hes gone youre outraged. Ridiculous
Relegation or not is pretty irrelevant and indeed relatively few posts overall have said that we're now gonna be relegated without or we weren't going to relegated with CP. You're just picking up on that because that's been your view on CP and the football/results for a while and that's fine. But many are questioning a bigger overall picture and where the club stands long term.
if the club is successful and we dont move, change colour ect who cares who picks the side? would you rather a side doing crap because the manager picks his own side? or doing well because someone else is?
who cares if we sign someone from europe to go in the side with players coming through the academy.
like i have said before, id rather have a player from europe like max gradel for 1 mil than pay 4.5 mil for dwight gale, we could by three players his standard! will hughes is being marked at 8mil? 8 mil could get you 8 michu's.
aslong as we are winning games playing attractive football at the new pitch being put down in the valley in the red of charlton do you REALLY CARE if the coach or someone above him picks the team.
if we are winning you will never know who picks it anyway.
as for players going to liege, if they are good enough for them they would be sold to somewhere else anyway, but the player has to agree also.
another point, it was suggested that someone bid for liege but RD wanted 10 mil more. if he does sell next season if they get into the champions league some people who are going OTT are going to look stupid.
lets wait until the end of the season and if we are relegated on a whimper and sign fuck all players, then we can start to panic/worry/protest
I've read all threads and comments. I didn't say "few" I said "relatively few" (in relation to amount of comments overall and how the discussion has evolved over time).
And then you just go on about who picks the team and what country they're from and then mention relegation again. It's not just about those issues, and certainly not about relegation, they are a small part of it. It's a bigger picture as I said but if you don't see things that way then fine but don't be surprised that they're are those of us that do.
..........and some would say the poor transfer dealings and things done "on a whimper" has already been happening.
CL would not be the same would it without the unrestrained unsubstantiated hysteria we see on it.
RD owns kit and caboodle, he will do exactly as he pleases and there is NOTHING you can do about it. Like all things in life it will work or not. Tiresome as it is for some on here rant away by all means but bear in mind this. IF you replaced the RD with SCP on any of the ridiculous threads appearing on CL atm the threads would be banned along with the poster who wrote the stuff such is the vitriol spite and absurdity in them.
To the majority on here, your man has gone, he was always going to go. While everyone in football and out seems to sympathise with his plight as I do as well btw we need to push on and support CAFC AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS...
Stand up sit down face the pitch turn around stand your head tonight at the match. Boo hiss be silent. My gauge of the man, RD that is, is that he won't give a toss.
The lads tonight, limited as they have proved so far this season need unreserved support, I hope every Charlton fan will give them that.
CL would not be the same would it without the unrestrained unsubstantiated hysteria we see on it.
RD owns kit and caboodle, he will do exactly as he pleases and there is NOTHING you can do about it. Like all things in life it will work or not. Tiresome as it is for some on here rant away by all means but bear in mind this. IF you replaced the RD with SCP on any of the ridiculous threads appearing on CL atm the threads would be banned along with the poster who wrote the stuff such is the vitriol spite and absurdity in them.
To the majority on here, your man has gone, he was always going to go. While everyone in football and out seems to sympathise with his plight as I do as well btw we need to push on and support CAFC AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS...
Stand up sit down face the pitch turn around stand your head tonight at the match. Boo hiss be silent. My gauge of the man, RD that is, is that he won't give a toss.
The lads tonight, limited as they have proved so far this season need unreserved support, I hope every Charlton fan will give them that.
That sums it up for me. Go tonight and i will be surrounded by such head in sands lets win this match and not cause a fuss ?fans and will get wound up.
My protest is now clear to me. I will not attend the valley with such just as i did not attend selhurst with the sheep of that era, til the regime has gone.
At least my conscience will be clear and I will not be leap frogging into the directors box to get at RD.... would look a bit silly at my age.
I know I should probably just give up argueing haha, But it's easy to forget the good points ie getting a new pitch, Upgrading training ground, Having a world wide scouting network, Signing wiggins on 4 year deal ?
Be honest with us, are you Roland? Because these aren't positives, these are all to help his money making and network, the pitch is a must as without it we can't function as a football team.
Don't be silly. You can tell its not Roland.. He's not saying "Huh" after every word.
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So do you believe that the players at this club are worth the £12m/£15m/£20m or whatever he paid for the club, plus the ongoing losses that he has to fund, plus the existing debt that he would be liable for if the club closed? Because, if not, then it is the worst bit of 'asset stripping' in the history of corrupt business.
It is a complete myth!
This season we've seen players come and go like hot-cakes meaning we've not been able to find consistent form.
I'm genuinely surprised how many people on here are happy with our club having no identity whatsoever.
Maybe it'll begin to sink in when the summer transfer window opens and we have no Rumours Rumours thread (apart from an outgoing one). Whilst this dictator is in charge we will only be taking players from "the network". You can forget any more summers like the one we had a few years back when we bought players with know-how of the league we're in.
We're turning into a passing machine where the football may be pretty but we'll have no fight, passion or know-how of how to escape from League 1 (apart from slipping out of the bottom of it).
Yesterday was summed up when i read an article on the football club website from where our new assistant coach (puppet) came from. It stated that he had agreed to join "the Duchatelet network". Charlton hardly got a mention.
We are now part of a feeder network for SL. We will share coaches, players, staff, ideas but nothing will have any identity of being the club i love, Charlton.
Liege are udinese
Seem to recall this site being up in arms about all those players from udinese
So many blinkers/agendas
Part of the attraction for me in sticking with Charlton over the years has been the off the pitch stuff, none of us watch Charlton for the glory but we have always had pride about the way we operate.
The way RD has operated smacks of the class of Chelsea
We needed a new owner and unless they're happy to put that sort of money into the club to attempt to buy promotion we need a way for the club to keep running at Championship level.
Ideally we'd have an owner willing to put in a few million (at least) every season to keep the club running, invest in the academy to take it to category 1, sort out the pitch and give the manager a decent Championship budget. They'd have no links to other clubs and perhaps they'd even be a Charlton fan.
Look at the sort of owners other clubs have. Sacking managers every season, building up unsustainable wage bills, some even change clubs names or colours. I'm not sure that ideal owner is out there. Maybe RD looked the best option at the time. Maybe he was the only option.
At the moment I don't think we have any players they'd want and if we were to drop down to League 1 (or eventually even lower, as some have suggested) we'd be very unlikely to ever have the sort of players they'd want. Players won't develop to that level playing in the English lower leagues, and even if they do they'd sill have to agree to a move.
We're also limited by the number of players we can take on loan (although I know we could get around that by signing them permanently and then selling them back).
If there are a couple of very good young players at Jena and Alcorcon and they improve our team for a season is that a problem? Will only benefit us for a season but it could work both ways.
When we had 80% of the playing squad out of contract
No money to pay bills and even had to get a weddings food from makro as the suppliers wouldn't give us any more
Seems that there's a lot to say now though
Its a good piece but I don't like samuels another arry puppet journo
if the club is successful and we dont move, change colour ect who cares who picks the side? would you rather a side doing crap because the manager picks his own side? or doing well because someone else is?
who cares if we sign someone from europe to go in the side with players coming through the academy.
like i have said before, id rather have a player from europe like max gradel for 1 mil than pay 4.5 mil for dwight gale, we could by three players his standard! will hughes is being marked at 8mil? 8 mil could get you 8 michu's.
aslong as we are winning games playing attractive football at the new pitch being put down in the valley in the red of charlton do you REALLY CARE if the coach or someone above him picks the team.
if we are winning you will never know who picks it anyway.
as for players going to liege, if they are good enough for them they would be sold to somewhere else anyway, but the player has to agree also.
another point, it was suggested that someone bid for liege but RD wanted 10 mil more. if he does sell next season if they get into the champions league some people who are going OTT are going to look stupid.
lets wait until the end of the season and if we are relegated on a whimper and sign fuck all players, then we can start to panic/worry/protest
And then you just go on about who picks the team and what country they're from and then mention relegation again. It's not just about those issues, and certainly not about relegation, they are a small part of it. It's a bigger picture as I said but if you don't see things that way then fine but don't be surprised that they're are those of us that do.
..........and some would say the poor transfer dealings and things done "on a whimper" has already been happening.
RD owns kit and caboodle, he will do exactly as he pleases and there is NOTHING you can do about it. Like all things in life it will work or not. Tiresome as it is for some on here rant away by all means but bear in mind this. IF you replaced the RD with SCP on any of the ridiculous threads appearing on CL atm the threads would be banned along with the poster who wrote the stuff such is the vitriol spite and absurdity in them.
To the majority on here, your man has gone, he was always going to go. While everyone in football and out seems to sympathise with his plight as I do as well btw we need to push on and support CAFC AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS...
Stand up sit down face the pitch turn around stand your head tonight at the match. Boo hiss be silent. My gauge of the man, RD that is, is that he won't give a toss.
The lads tonight, limited as they have proved so far this season need unreserved support, I hope every Charlton fan will give them that.
My protest is now clear to me. I will not attend the valley with such just as i did not attend selhurst with the sheep of that era, til the regime has gone.
At least my conscience will be clear and I will not be leap frogging into the directors box to get at RD.... would look a bit silly at my age.
Just away games like with lennies team.
Good luck to you all