100% agree with him. It shows what a sorry state we have become, and taking it as I read it, it sounds like things are not going to get any better (but by god i hope i am proven wrong).
When a paper's main writer devotes his main story to being Charlton related, it should raise alarm bells.
The sad thing for me is it takes a complete outsider to point out that 'this is a great club' and its being treated in a second-class way. I'm pretty sure if someone on here had wrote that exact article and we'd pinned it at the top of the forum, it would have been torn into by quite a few people.
The fundamental issue for me is we just seem to slowly be losing our pride, and what we as a collective support base want from our club is becoming increasingly diverse and polarised.
The fundamental issue for me is we just seem to slowly be losing our pride, and what we as a collective support base want from our club is becoming increasingly diverse and polarised.
I think that reflects life though Dan. A substantial number of people have grown up with the "everything for me, now" attitude, and the Premier League era is a mirror to all that. Nothing that went before matters - "How am I supposed to know that, I wasn't even born". They are incapable of learning from the past or considering the future.
As you say, if outsiders are worried, we should be too and not just sitting there saying its the club i support not the owner/players/manager etc. if this continues, who knows what will be left to support. Maybe being known as a family club, we made ourselves an easy target for RD to try his tactics on because he knew we would not protest or object and more likely just mumble a little, stop buying a pie and beer inside the ground but still turn up every week and cheer our happy little club blinkered to what was really going on.
I know I should probably just give up argueing haha, But it's easy to forget the good points ie getting a new pitch, Upgrading training ground, Having a world wide scouting network, Signing wiggins on 4 year deal ?
Is not getting a new pitch an absolute basic thing for a football club, so whoever came in would have done that at the end of the season any way. We have been working towards getting the higher grade training ground for some time, but now this might happen quicker than previously planned. We have always had a scouting network, just not a very good one recently!
I know I should probably just give up argueing haha, But it's easy to forget the good points ie getting a new pitch, Upgrading training ground, Having a world wide scouting network, Signing wiggins on 4 year deal ?
Would much rather have the identity of the club, ta.
Caught the Footballers Football Show the other day, Les Reed. Mark Warburton (Brentford manager) and Ged someone from the Premier League were on. The subject was smaller clubs being used by the Premier League to blood their players and to give them experience.
Reed seemed against the idea as he said that young Premiership players should be brought up in a Premiership environment but Warburton seemed all in favour of being a feeder club for the bigger Premiership sides.
So it looks like this sort of set up may be on the way.
Reed was arguing that If Arsenal had a link up with say Barnet then who were the supporters who turn up? Barnet fans or Arsenal fans watching their youth players.
I know I should probably just give up argueing haha, But it's easy to forget the good points ie getting a new pitch, Upgrading training ground, Having a world wide scouting network, Signing wiggins on 4 year deal ?
Wiggins was only signed to get a fee if we go down. You think he'll play in league 1 next season? Worldwide scouting network? Where did you get that from? 1 good team in a crap Belgian League and then a bunch of second rate European teams?
Reed was arguing that If Arsenal had a link up with say Barnet then who were the supporters who turn up? Barnet fans or Arsenal fans watching their youth players.
Its pretty much the same with Spurs and Swindon. There's an agreement of sorts in place. Really wouldnt be surprised to see Sir Les take over there soon.
I think Les Reed is right and feeder clubs will not happen for the very reason he states. Lower league clubs are there for the fans of those clubs, not the convenience of their bigger neighbours.
Agree totally with this article. Powell went because he wasn, t willing to be dictated who he should play. What sort of players will come in the summer when we lose most of our squad. Do we want to part with our hard earned money to support loan or cast offs from leige etc, players who we have no affinities with! My concern is more in line with this article rather than the fact we have lost our manager!
Most interesting to me was the attendances of Rolands other clubs other than Liege. They are tiny and let's be honest will never make it to the sort of level we or Liege can, that's why I'm not sure what Rolands plan is in regards to this network of clubs and why he is spending money buying them up
I know I should probably just give up argueing haha, But it's easy to forget the good points ie getting a new pitch, Upgrading training ground, Having a world wide scouting network, Signing wiggins on 4 year deal ?
I asked someone else something similar but where would your line be mate?
If we changed our name?
If we changed our Ground?
If we Changed from red to blue?
If we gave players to SL or other clubs within the network?
Or are you just happy about results and are happy to mean any of these changes happen as long as we are winning?
I think that he has conveniently forgotten that having a premiership club will yield £200 million, slightly more than the Belgian top flight and champions league revenues combined.
Then again, it's not like the daily mail to be hysterical is it?
Is not getting a new pitch an absolute basic thing for a football club, so whoever came in would have done that at the end of the season any way. We have been working towards getting the higher grade training ground for some time, but now this might happen quicker than previously planned. We have always had a scouting network, just not a very good one recently!
TJ & Slater didn't get a new pitch when they came in. RD is spending £800,000 on it in the Summer. A lot of dough for a small L1 rotting feeder club. This notion that he just wants is to tick over as a mediocre club is absolute rubbish. The only way RD is gonna make any money with CAFC, no matter how many of our players he sells, is for us to be successful.
well said NWC. And if he wanted us to get relegated wouldn't he have just kept CP in charge? As far as RD was concerned wasn't CP doing exactly the job he supposedly wanted?
I'm not so sure NWCorner. Has RD made ANY mention of Premier League ambitions? If so, they have been very fleeting.
What he has talked about is sustainability, breaking even "very quickly" and the network. Now that's all very well and good sure.
But I'm pretty sure he knows as well as anyone that with most clubs in the Champ spending quite heavily to get out of it, it's not a model geared towards getting us in the Prem. Ticking over might be exactly what it is.
Agree 100% if we have been bought as a feeder club or dumping ground - we are DOOMED.
Justified to assume that, but recent events might actually have been designed simply to make CP's position untenable, rather than a sign of how things will actually work. RD clearly had a new manager lined up all the while so was his plan to make it impossible for CP to sign a contract and save RD the cost of buying out his contract in a few months time. That is the only thing I can hang on to and remain hopeful.
Think there is a lot more to see before we really know how this will pan out. The article puts the case that it makes no sense for CAFC to be a feeder club, is RD that stupid - I am hoping he is not.
If Poyet outgrows CAFC he goes anyway, I don't care if he is with another RD club, but I care if we don't get a fair price or he's sold before we've had the benefit of his talent. Not a refusenik but trying to see a glint of a chance that change, however uncomfortable, might halt our current decline, and the worst scenario might be a wrong reading of the runes.
Is not getting a new pitch an absolute basic thing for a football club, so whoever came in would have done that at the end of the season any way. We have been working towards getting the higher grade training ground for some time, but now this might happen quicker than previously planned. We have always had a scouting network, just not a very good one recently!
TJ & Slater didn't get a new pitch when they came in. RD is spending £800,000 on it in the Summer. A lot of dough for a small L1 rotting feeder club. This notion that he just wants is to tick over as a mediocre club is absolute rubbish. The only way RD is gonna make any money with CAFC, no matter how many of our players he sells, is for us to be successful.
Thanks because I give up argueing with these fans with blinkers on .
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The sad thing for me is it takes a complete outsider to point out that 'this is a great club' and its being treated in a second-class way. I'm pretty sure if someone on here had wrote that exact article and we'd pinned it at the top of the forum, it would have been torn into by quite a few people.
The fundamental issue for me is we just seem to slowly be losing our pride, and what we as a collective support base want from our club is becoming increasingly diverse and polarised.
May well be the time to act.
Maybe being known as a family club, we made ourselves an easy target for RD to try his tactics on because he knew we would not protest or object and more likely just mumble a little, stop buying a pie and beer inside the ground but still turn up every week and cheer our happy little club blinkered to what was really going on.
But it's easy to forget the good points ie getting a new pitch,
Upgrading training ground,
Having a world wide scouting network,
Signing wiggins on 4 year deal ?
We have been working towards getting the higher grade training ground for some time, but now this might happen quicker than previously planned.
We have always had a scouting network, just not a very good one recently!
Reed seemed against the idea as he said that young Premiership players should be brought up in a Premiership environment but Warburton seemed all in favour of being a feeder club for the bigger Premiership sides.
So it looks like this sort of set up may be on the way.
Most interesting to me was the attendances of Rolands other clubs other than Liege. They are tiny and let's be honest will never make it to the sort of level we or Liege can, that's why I'm not sure what Rolands plan is in regards to this network of clubs and why he is spending money buying them up
If we changed our name?
If we changed our Ground?
If we Changed from red to blue?
If we gave players to SL or other clubs within the network?
Or are you just happy about results and are happy to mean any of these changes happen as long as we are winning?
Then again, it's not like the daily mail to be hysterical is it?
What he has talked about is sustainability, breaking even "very quickly" and the network. Now that's all very well and good sure.
But I'm pretty sure he knows as well as anyone that with most clubs in the Champ spending quite heavily to get out of it, it's not a model geared towards getting us in the Prem. Ticking over might be exactly what it is.
Justified to assume that, but recent events might actually have been designed simply to make CP's position untenable, rather than a sign of how things will actually work. RD clearly had a new manager lined up all the while so was his plan to make it impossible for CP to sign a contract and save RD the cost of buying out his contract in a few months time. That is the only thing I can hang on to and remain hopeful.
Think there is a lot more to see before we really know how this will pan out. The article puts the case that it makes no sense for CAFC to be a feeder club, is RD that stupid - I am hoping he is not.
If Poyet outgrows CAFC he goes anyway, I don't care if he is with another RD club, but I care if we don't get a fair price or he's sold before we've had the benefit of his talent. Not a refusenik but trying to see a glint of a chance that change, however uncomfortable, might halt our current decline, and the worst scenario might be a wrong reading of the runes.