This iRoland Duchâtelet currently owns several football clubs . Standard , STVV , Charlton Atletic , Carl Zeiss Jena , AD Alcorcón and Újpest FC , with all these clubs he has lumps . Anything in the pie But how does it actually with his teams .
It is needless to explain how it is with Standard and STVV . The Rouches are in the lead in the Belgian league and still fighting for the title . STVV , which is actually the name of his wife's condition, making even a small chance of the second title in the final round and plays differently .
Charlton Atletic In December 2013 , Roland Duchâtelet Atletic Charlton took over . The club was promoted then just return to the Championship . For a long time it looked as though this season Charlton would degrade again but lately it goes back better with the English.
Currently José Riga is at the helm . For the Standard fans not familiar . Charlton Atletic stands 21st in the English second division . In the league with 24 teams three shifts . Bags The Addicks are there so just above .
With two games less than their competitors , they seem to go save . For a long time they stood at least until she suddenly knew it points to address .
Carl Zeiss Jena Carl Zeiss Jena , the German team in the Duchâtelet empire . They come from the Regionalliga Nordost , say the German third division .
Since the winter took the German team 10 to 21. , Making it a little chance of promotion to lose . For the winter Carl Zeiss Jena was shared second .
Now they are third with five points behind the number two and twelve on the leader . They must watch for the number four . 1.FC Union Berlin II following three points .
AD Alcorcón AD Alcorcón is the Spanish leg of the soccer realm of Duchâtelet . The club plays in the Spanish Segunda División A, the Spanish second division so .
The club from the Madrid region is currently 17th in the league with 22 . The last four are relegated. However AD Alcorcón does have only two points more than the number 20 . They also have to be careful .
Újpest FC Újpest FC in the Hungarian capital Budapest is actually the name of son Roderick Duchâtelet . They play in the Nemzeti Bajnokság , the Hungarian top division.
The Lilak are currently 11th . Their last Hungarian league title came in 1998 . In 2009, they were still called vice - champion.s an update on the clubs RD owns from a Belgian site. Google translation
Thanks for posting. I am doing a project for the Supporters Trust to map out and continuously update the RD network. I have a couple of puzzling questions, and maybe you may know the answers.
1. A Charlton blogger (Chicago Addick) has claimed that RD also owns two more Belgian clubs, FC Brussels, and Tubize. Can you confirm if this is or was true? If it is still true, how does he get round the League ownership rules? Perhaps he only has a minority stake in those two?
2. This is more difficult. The actual company which owns Charlton is called Staprix, NV. We understand that Staprix also owns Standard, Jena and Alcorcon. However we are not sure if it also owns Sint-Truiden or Ujpest because he is not supposed to be the official owner of either. Do you happen to know anything about this?
Thanks in advance. Send me a private mail if you prefer.
From my understanding he does not own either FC Brussels or Tubize. He has however made major investments in and/or launched youth soccer development projects with both. Reading between the lines I could speculate the FC Brussels project did not go very well hence the further relationship with Tubize - both clubs are based in and around Brussels - the home of Standard Liege primary competitor Anderlecht.
Sint-Truiden: Rd sold his shares to his girlfriend-partner Marijke Hofte but has no majority in the club anymore. Btw, the club is currently struggling to get a license for next season.
Upjest dosja (Hon) : His son Frederick is major shareholder
Carl Zeiss Jena (germ) : Owner
Charlton Athletic (Eng) : Owner
Alcorcon (Spa) : Major shareholder
What Grapevine 49 wrote about Tubize and Fc Brussels is correct.
In December 2013 , Roland Duchâtelet Atletic Charlton took over . The club was promoted then just return to the Championship . For a long time it looked as though this season Charlton would degrade again but lately it goes back better with the English.
Currently José Riga is at the helm . For the Standard fans not familiar . Charlton Atletic stands 21st in the English second division . In the league with 24 teams three shifts . Bags The Addicks are there so just above .
Sorry I might be being thick and people have done a yann and lol d my post
But what the fuck does any of that mean that I have copied from the OP
In December 2013 , Roland Duchâtelet Atletic Charlton took over . The club was promoted then just return to the Championship . For a long time it looked as though this season Charlton would degrade again but lately it goes back better with the English.
Currently José Riga is at the helm . For the Standard fans not familiar . Charlton Atletic stands 21st in the English second division . In the league with 24 teams three shifts . Bags The Addicks are there so just above .
Sorry I might be being thick and people have done a yann and lol d my post
But what the fuck does any of that mean that I have copied from the OP
Welcome to the wacky world of Google Translate , mate. It has a long way to go. If you use it to translate from English to Czech for example it makes negatives out of positives and vice versa. That can cause serious problems :-)
@Grapevine and @Dominiek. Thanks. I think we will describe his interest in FCB and Tubize as " undetermined financial interest"
Dominiek, would you keep us posted on the Sint-Truiden developments? Thank you very much. And welcome to our tribe!
Why not give him time before you all write him off?
Or to put it another way "why not bury your head in the sand and hope everything turns out ok"?
He's not being written off. This is just an unusual situation and important questions need to be raised and answered. If you're happy ignoring everything other than results then that's fine, but not everyone is. There are bigger questions than just the football here.
Why not give him time before you all write him off?
Or to put it another way "why not bury your head in the sand and hope everything turns out ok"?
He's not being written off. This is just an unusual situation and important questions need to be raised and answered. If you're happy ignoring everything other than results then that's fine, but not everyone is. There are bigger questions than just the football here.
I'm not burying my head in the sand. No Charlton fan on here knows what will happen today,tomorrow or in a years times. You all wanted to be bought out and now we have people are upset about. We all know that the club needs lots of fixing I.e pitch,contacts,training ground. The last bored screw over the new one big time ann I feel to fix Charlton it will take time and take someone who takes no crap from anyone to sort it all out I feel it will take yes to drag Charlton back in the right direction. But what do I know I have stuck by my team from day one and have had my season ticket and valley gold for 18 years in a row now.
They did. Quite vociferously as anyone who read the VOTV will attest. The difference is, they didn't subsume Charlton into a network of clubs; threatening their independence and best interests.
Why didn't the last lot get asked 'important' questions?
Maybe they were but from within, hence the senior staff turnover. I've no problem with RD being watched as long as the reporting is done in a fair unbiased manner, reporting on the positives as well as the negatives. My concern at the moment is that the monitoring is looking for a stick to beat RD with.
Nothing will please me more than staying up this season and RD pumping money or players in next just to show intent and get people to stop second guessing
They did. Quite vociferously as anyone who read the VOTV will attest. The difference is, they didn't subsume Charlton into a network of clubs; threatening their independence and best interests.
My goodness, what absolute nonsense some people do spout!!
They did. Quite vociferously as anyone who read the VOTV will attest. The difference is, they didn't subsume Charlton into a network of clubs; threatening their independence and best interests.
Our best interests are to retain championship status then build sensibly from the foundations up with the aim of challenging for and hopefully gaining promotion.
yes we'll likely sell some of oir better assets to "balance the books" but what club doesn't have to and hopefully one day we will be in the prem and wont have to as much.
concerns about this network are valid and we are right to be asking questions but until we have seen evidence our best interests are no being serviced then such staunch opposition seems a bit excessive. None of us have a crystal ball and doubters could be right but currently there is no evidence to suggest it will be a catastrophe or success.
I'd have more time for RD if he had a decent scouting network but most of his buys/loans have been way below the required standard apart from JR whose more proactive management has pulled us out of the mire.
They did. Quite vociferously as anyone who read the VOTV will attest. The difference is, they didn't subsume Charlton into a network of clubs; threatening their independence and best interests.
My goodness, what absolute nonsense some people do spout!!
Ok so that above comment was a little strong and not very even-handed. Forgive me.
But, come on. You don't think the independence of the club (two of the most senior positions at the club are now held by ex-employees of Liege) is at the very least a little bit under threat?
I wouldn't dispute that the network could benefit us. But our bestinterests? As in; all we can hope to be as a football club. Really?
I hope my concerns come to nothing. I hope RD is good news and it's a great era for Charlton. What fan wouldn't? But I'm still naturally skeptical.
As for the criticism of previous regime, plenty of people did so, in case that's what you were referring to.
They did. Quite vociferously as anyone who read the VOTV will attest. The difference is, they didn't subsume Charlton into a network of clubs; threatening their independence and best interests.
My goodness, what absolute nonsense some people do spout!!
Ok so that above comment was a little strong and not very even-handed. Forgive me.
But, come on. You don't think the independence of the club (two of the most senior positions at the club are now held by ex-employees of Liege) is at the very least a little bit under threat?
I wouldn't dispute that the network could benefit us. But our bestinterests? As in; all we can hope to be as a football club. Really?
I hope my concerns come to nothing. I hope RD is good news and it's a great era for Charlton. What fan wouldn't? But I'm still naturally skeptical.
As for the criticism of previous regime, plenty of people did so, in case that's what you were referring to.
Where the two in question came from is completely irrelevant to me. RD had success in his experiment with Liege, despite criticism and controversy. The two in question he knows well, they know him well, all three are singing from the same songsheet when it comes to repeating that success with Charlton. On current evidence, that is all we can know for sure, the success or failure is still to be decided. Our identity is no more under threat than it has been any time ownership has changed hands. Will it change? Indisputably. But who is to say that is for the worst? Evolution is not always gentle.
They did. Quite vociferously as anyone who read the VOTV will attest. The difference is, they didn't subsume Charlton into a network of clubs; threatening their independence and best interests.
My goodness, what absolute nonsense some people do spout!!
Ok so that above comment was a little strong and not very even-handed. Forgive me.
But, come on. You don't think the independence of the club (two of the most senior positions at the club are now held by ex-employees of Liege) is at the very least a little bit under threat?
I wouldn't dispute that the network could benefit us. But our bestinterests? As in; all we can hope to be as a football club. Really?
I hope my concerns come to nothing. I hope RD is good news and it's a great era for Charlton. What fan wouldn't? But I'm still naturally skeptical.
As for the criticism of previous regime, plenty of people did so, in case that's what you were referring to.
Where the two in question came from is completely irrelevant to me. RD had success in his experiment with Liege, despite criticism and controversy. The two in question he knows well, they know him well, all three are singing from the same songsheet when it comes to repeating that success with Charlton. On current evidence, that is all we can know for sure, the success or failure is still to be decided. Our identity is no more under threat than it has been any time ownership has changed hands. Will it change? Indisputably. But who is to say that is for the worst? Evolution is not always gentle.
Take your point about all being on the same songsheet etc. And change not always being a bad thing. As mentioned above and elsewhere ad infinitum - I'm hopeful this change is for the best. But I'm also very fearful it could be for the worst. As you said, much is still to be decided or known.
Not sure success with Liege in the Belgian league should be taken to mean success for every other single club in the network is inevitable (not that you said that) - all other clubs exist in entirely different environments.. Can all six clubs replicate same success? Or will it only benefit one party? Still questions to be decided. There's very little precedent for something like this...
Nothing surprising about that Rothko. Not something I'd usually worry about either. But the fact that the owner of Liege has installed employees with history at Liege into Charlton, rather than the other way around, suggests we could (repeat COULD) become secondary, or have less of an independent voice. Again, this is speculation and it might be unfounded. But until we know, it will be a concern.
I think it's made loads of you go mad that you don't know enough about RD and this is in turn making you all seem a little neurotic when we should be solely concentrating on supporting the playing squad and JR
I think it's made loads of you go mad that you don't know enough about RD and this is in turn making you all seem a little neurotic when we should be solely concentrating on supporting the playing squad and JR
Instead of trying to be Angela Lansbury
That and it seems that now the post-Powell dust has settled down, it seems that RD may actually have been right all along. Whatever would or would not have happened with Powell in charge, there were plenty predicting loan-dominated 11s, shattered morale and terrible results. We've had precisely none of those things, whats more we are in our best form of the season. That's looking pretty shrewd from here. At the most negative and least generous interpretation of things, you can't honestly say we've got any worse... and at the best, it's been pretty much revolutionary.
newbie - I wouldn't argue it's got worse performance wise this season. You'd have to have a pretty limited understanding of football to think so. Can't categorically say that NLA's cutting psychological assessment of those concerned is wrong, but have to say it seems a pretty bold claim to make about a load of people he may not have met.
So results are good. The team's playing well.
How about the thoughts raised above about the "network" threatening the independence of the club. Don't agree? Fair enough! Would be interested to hear why though.
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It is needless to explain how it is with Standard and STVV . The Rouches are in the lead in the Belgian league and still fighting for the title . STVV , which is actually the name of his wife's condition, making even a small chance of the second title in the final round and plays differently .
Charlton Atletic
In December 2013 , Roland Duchâtelet Atletic Charlton took over . The club was promoted then just return to the Championship . For a long time it looked as though this season Charlton would degrade again but lately it goes back better with the English.
Currently José Riga is at the helm . For the Standard fans not familiar . Charlton Atletic stands 21st in the English second division . In the league with 24 teams three shifts . Bags The Addicks are there so just above .
With two games less than their competitors , they seem to go save . For a long time they stood at least until she suddenly knew it points to address .
Carl Zeiss Jena
Carl Zeiss Jena , the German team in the Duchâtelet empire . They come from the Regionalliga Nordost , say the German third division .
Since the winter took the German team 10 to 21. , Making it a little chance of promotion to lose . For the winter Carl Zeiss Jena was shared second .
Now they are third with five points behind the number two and twelve on the leader . They must watch for the number four . 1.FC Union Berlin II following three points .
AD Alcorcón
AD Alcorcón is the Spanish leg of the soccer realm of Duchâtelet . The club plays in the Spanish Segunda División A, the Spanish second division so .
The club from the Madrid region is currently 17th in the league with 22 . The last four are relegated. However AD Alcorcón does have only two points more than the number 20 . They also have to be careful .
Újpest FC
Újpest FC in the Hungarian capital Budapest is actually the name of son Roderick Duchâtelet . They play in the Nemzeti Bajnokság , the Hungarian top division.
The Lilak are currently 11th . Their last Hungarian league title came in 1998 . In 2009, they were still called vice - champion.s an update on the clubs RD owns from a Belgian site. Google translation
Or the doubters can have Slater and Jiminez back if they wish.
Thanks for posting. I am doing a project for the Supporters Trust to map out and continuously update the RD network. I have a couple of puzzling questions, and maybe you may know the answers.
1. A Charlton blogger (Chicago Addick) has claimed that RD also owns two more Belgian clubs, FC Brussels, and Tubize. Can you confirm if this is or was true? If it is still true, how does he get round the League ownership rules? Perhaps he only has a minority stake in those two?
2. This is more difficult. The actual company which owns Charlton is called Staprix, NV. We understand that Staprix also owns Standard, Jena and Alcorcon. However we are not sure if it also owns Sint-Truiden or Ujpest because he is not supposed to be the official owner of either. Do you happen to know anything about this?
Thanks in advance. Send me a private mail if you prefer.
From my understanding he does not own either FC Brussels or Tubize. He has however made major investments in and/or launched youth soccer development projects with both. Reading between the lines I could speculate the FC Brussels project did not go very well hence the further relationship with Tubize - both clubs are based in and around Brussels - the home of Standard Liege primary competitor Anderlecht.
Tubize is 25km from Anderlecht.
Sint-Truiden: Rd sold his shares to his girlfriend-partner Marijke Hofte
but has no majority in the club anymore.
Btw, the club is currently struggling to get a license for next season.
Upjest dosja (Hon) : His son Frederick is major shareholder
Carl Zeiss Jena (germ) : Owner
Charlton Athletic (Eng) : Owner
Alcorcon (Spa) : Major shareholder
What Grapevine 49 wrote about Tubize and Fc Brussels is correct.
Currently José Riga is at the helm . For the Standard fans not familiar . Charlton Atletic stands 21st in the English second division . In the league with 24 teams three shifts . Bags The Addicks are there so just above .
Sorry I might be being thick and people have done a yann and lol d my post
But what the fuck does any of that mean that I have copied from the OP
@Grapevine and @Dominiek. Thanks. I think we will describe his interest in FCB and Tubize as " undetermined financial interest"
Dominiek, would you keep us posted on the Sint-Truiden developments? Thank you very much. And welcome to our tribe!
He's not being written off. This is just an unusual situation and important questions need to be raised and answered. If you're happy ignoring everything other than results then that's fine, but not everyone is. There are bigger questions than just the football here.
Nothing will please me more than staying up this season and RD pumping money or players in next just to show intent and get people to stop second guessing
yes we'll likely sell some of oir better assets to "balance the books" but what club doesn't have to and hopefully one day we will be in the prem and wont have to as much.
concerns about this network are valid and we are right to be asking questions but until we have seen evidence our best interests are no being serviced then such staunch opposition seems a bit excessive. None of us have a crystal ball and doubters could be right but currently there is no evidence to suggest it will be a catastrophe or success.
But, come on. You don't think the independence of the club (two of the most senior positions at the club are now held by ex-employees of Liege) is at the very least a little bit under threat?
I wouldn't dispute that the network could benefit us. But our bestinterests? As in; all we can hope to be as a football club. Really?
I hope my concerns come to nothing. I hope RD is good news and it's a great era for Charlton. What fan wouldn't? But I'm still naturally skeptical.
As for the criticism of previous regime, plenty of people did so, in case that's what you were referring to.
t. Where the two in question came from is completely irrelevant to me. RD had success in his experiment with Liege, despite criticism and controversy. The two in question he knows well, they know him well, all three are singing from the same songsheet when it comes to repeating that success with Charlton. On current evidence, that is all we can know for sure, the success or failure is still to be decided. Our identity is no more under threat than it has been any time ownership has changed hands. Will it change? Indisputably. But who is to say that is for the worst? Evolution is not always gentle.
Not sure success with Liege in the Belgian league should be taken to mean success for every other single club in the network is inevitable (not that you said that) - all other clubs exist in entirely different environments.. Can all six clubs replicate same success? Or will it only benefit one party? Still questions to be decided. There's very little precedent for something like this...
Instead of trying to be Angela Lansbury
uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/season=2012/matches/round=2000274/match=2007455/postmatch/report/index.html#hannover+hold+standard
I sincerely hope that Riga stays for next season!
So results are good. The team's playing well.
How about the thoughts raised above about the "network" threatening the independence of the club. Don't agree? Fair enough! Would be interested to hear why though.