Not a dig at Powell but what does make a bad manager. Is it the board, is it alienating the players like Keane or di canio, is it being too nice them? Football should be a simple game so why do some make it so complicated.
Interesting question... I think it does look an easy game for the likes of us looking from the outside in but am sure it is so very complicated.
You've gotta organise tactics for a match every week in a matter of days and not just try to find a way to break the opposition down but also to ensure they dont get through you.
You've also got to try and build a decent Squad to fight for promotion / mid-table / avoid relegation with so many players out in the world, with so many scouts and agents trying to prove their player is the next Messi whilst you've got to try and ensure he's not the next Omar Pouso.
Around all that you've also got a number of press conferences to do each week, god knows where they find the time to do everything in a week as well!!
Well the answer you're fishing for is Powell so we may as well cut this thread short chap.
I actually ask the question because am i and others being unfair to Powell, is it just that the players aint good enough? Take Martinez relegation struggle every year then takes over a much better set of players and is now showing what a really good manager he is.
Well the answer you're fishing for is Powell so we may as well cut this thread short chap.
I actually ask the question because am i and others being unfair to Powell, is it just that the players aint good enough? Take Martinez relegation struggle every year then takes over a much better set of players and is now showing what a really good manager he is.
The thing is to ask the question now is to get emotive responses, if you really wanted considered answers it would have been best to wait till mid week, when every body who has not slit their wrists has calmed down and give an objective view.
Very difficult to figure out what makes a good or bad manager these days as they're rarely given anything like enough time to demonstrate their managerial talent. In today's climate Alex Ferguson would have been sacked at the end of his first season.
Find it really odd that people like you can't tell the difference between a bad manager and a manager working with extremely limited resources. What do you think the current squad should be achieving? Top ten, top six, top two?! Rather than starting stupid threads like this, why not spend a couple of hours looking at the strength of our opponents' squads in comparison to ours. Think you'll find that our position in the table reflects the level of investment in our squad compared to our rivals. Our talented manager is the difference between being fourth from bottom and fighting rather than rock bottom and doomed.
it's a very valid and interesting question and there is no simple answer.
To be a "good" manager often requires being in the right place at the right time.
Conversely, you can become a "bad" manager just by being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
The best current example of this may be Pardew.
At Charlton he was in the wrong place at the wrong time and Murray had to pay him off with a million and a half in order to see him off the premises.
Yet at Newcastle he is patently the right man in the right place at the right time. If a rival premiership club wanted to lure him away (say Man U after sacking Moyes?) , they would have to pay millions to buy out his contract and further compensation on top of that.
How do we square the circle of how he buggered up at Charlton and yet has turned out to be an inspired appointment at Newcastle? I'd suggest it's all about timing and circumstance because both apparently contradictory positions are true - he's been superb at Newcastle but totally lost the plot at Charlton.
There is nothing new about this - Clough's disastrous 44 day tenure at the Damned United comes to mind.
If the question is specifically about Powell (and I didn't read it that way, to be honest), he's probably the right man in the right place but at the wrong time. Which doesn't make him a poor manager, but does explain why he's currently struggling.
Would still like to know where those that are blaming Powell expect us to be with this squad and budget.
This is a bottom 5 squad and we are roughly were I expected us to be.
We only have 3 senior strikers. Really need a minimum of 4, if not 5.
Some of our best players from the last two seasons have been out injured this season, Yann, Jackson and Solly.
Other players that did well last season have struggled, such as Pritchard and Harriott.
New players have come in but are replacements, rather than improvements, at best. When we won League 1 we weren't hoping to see the club bring in the likes Wilson, Wood, Church, Gower, Stewart etc, we were hoping for proven players at this level. The fact that we've brought in a number of players of that sort of level shows what we can attract and afford. They've played a part but they aren't what we needed to push on.
We've also still got players here that would have left had we been able to really improve the squad like Green and Hughes.
We could take the risk, and that's all it is, and replace Powell, but the reality is with this squad we're most likely going to be no better off and it could make things worse. I can't imagine us being any better off if Dowie, Pardew or Parkinson were managing this squad. And who's out there? We won't be paying compensation for manager at another club, or big wages to an out of work manager that's been at a bigger or richer club.
Thankyou incorrupible and you are correct, it wasnt just about Powell i was trying to see what people thought of all managers.....management is a funny old game. MrLargo chill out fella, its diasapointing losing a two goal lead but not the end of the world. If you think im stupid fair enough all about opinions m8 no need to be personal.
The way to judge Powell is to think would anyone else do better with the resources? So, would anyone do better with the players? I don't think so. Would anyone do better with the finance? I don't think so either. I felt the same about parkinson, so what do I know.
Would still like to know where those that are blaming Powell expect us to big with this squad and budget.
This is a bottom 5 squad and we are roughly were I expected us to be.
We only have 3 senior strikers. Really need a minimum of 4, if not 5.
Some of our best players from the last two seasons have been out injured this season, Yann, Jackson and Solly.
Other players that did well last season have struggled, such as Pritchard and Harriott.
New players have come in but are replacements, rather than improvements, at best. When we won League 1 we weren't hoping to see the club bring in the likes Wilson, Wood, Church, Gower, Stewart etc, we were hoping for proven players at this level. The fact that we've brought in a number of players of that sort of level shows what we can attract and afford. They've played a part but they aren't what we needed to push on.
We've also still got players here that would have left had we been able to really improve the squad like Green and Hughes.
We could take the risk, and that's all it is, and replace Powell, but the reality is with this squad we're most likely going to be no better off and it could make things worse. I can't imagine us being any better off if Dowie, Pardew or Parkinson were managing this squad. And who's out there? We won't be paying compensation for manager at another club, or big wages to an out of work manager that's been at a bigger or richer club.
Exactly why we need to get behind powell who loves the club and will give everything for the cause. This isn't just some mercenary manager like Appleton that flips from job to job, sometimes I can't quite grasp what some so called fans expect from a club legend who's been lied to and had promises broken about his budget. He's got the best out of what he's been afforded, yet for some that's not good enough. Imagine having to raise morale of near enough a whole team every week who don't know where their futures lie in a few months time, I bet that's no easy feat. I can't see any other manager coming in and galvanising the players to give more than what they are to wear the shirt for this club.
Look at moyes, same set of players as Fergie but look like a mid table team this season.....is it tactics? Or did the players have more respect for fergie and wanted to give more?
Look at Pulis, same set of players as Holloway but looking like a mid table team this season.....is it tactics? Or did the players have less respect for Holloway and wanted to give more?
Would still like to know where those that are blaming Powell expect us to big with this squad and budget.
This is a bottom 5 squad and we are roughly were I expected us to be.
We only have 3 senior strikers. Really need a minimum of 4, if not 5.
Some of our best players from the last two seasons have been out injured this season, Yann, Jackson and Solly.
Other players that did well last season have struggled, such as Pritchard and Harriott.
New players have come in but are replacements, rather than improvements, at best. When we won League 1 we weren't hoping to see the club bring in the likes Wilson, Wood, Church, Gower, Stewart etc, we were hoping for proven players at this level. The fact that we've brought in a number of players of that sort of level shows what we can attract and afford. They've played a part but they aren't what we needed to push on.
We've also still got players here that would have left had we been able to really improve the squad like Green and Hughes.
We could take the risk, and that's all it is, and replace Powell, but the reality is with this squad we're most likely going to be no better off and it could make things worse. I can't imagine us being any better off if Dowie, Pardew or Parkinson were managing this squad. And who's out there? We won't be paying compensation for manager at another club, or big wages to an out of work manager that's been at a bigger or richer club.
Exactly why we need to get behind powell who loves the club and will give everything for the cause. This isn't just some mercenary manager like Appleton that flips from job to job, sometimes I can't quite grasp what some so called fans expect from a club legend who's been lied to and had promises broken about his budget. He's got the best out of what he's been afforded, yet for some that's not good enough. Imagine having to raise morale of near enough a whole team every week who don't know where their futures lie in a few months time, I bet that's no easy feat. I can't see any other manager coming in and galvanising the players to give more than what they are to wear the shirt for this club.
I don't think he is getting the best out of them.
I think he did last year but as it stands i do not think he is doing it this year.
This isn't me saying 'powell out' but there players out there who are better than they are showing and Chris Powell has too many people making excuses for him.
May sound naive but i reckon the club surviving relegation and possible damnation should be more motivation than there own personal contracts.
Let him take a bit of stick without getting offended.
Spoke with someone during the summer at Charlton who said top twelve would be a good finish this season but shouldn't worry as regards relegation as there were five teams with poorer finances than ourselves.So I'd say by that we are under achieving and dont go with people saying no one could do better with our finances,I know things have changed as regards ownership and possible finances but we shouldn't be in the bottom three.I have the utmost respect for everything Chris Powell has done at Charlton but his selections,mistakes and football played is why we are in the bottom three at the moment and I hope he keeps us up.
Churn is what makes a bad manager. Sacking one manager and bringing in a new one only to sack him and bring in another new one.
So, if you're looking for Charlton to have a really bad manager in charge, the best thing to do would be to replace Chris Powell.
This!
I'd like to see a ruling that manager's cannot be changed once a season has started. Is there any other business that is as ruthless as football.
If we behaved like this in the NHS and sacked every manager that fecked up for a few weeks in a row, or wasn't liked by their team (lost the dressing room), then every hospital in the UK would be shut before Easter!!
As for the, '95% of patients at A & E will be seen within four hours target,' hmmm. What is it they say about statistics?
Someone who just uses money and buys players for the sake of it... i.e. Dowie in our final Premiership season / Pardew in our first Championship season
Good question. A shame some take such offence at it just because it sits uncomfortably with them and their own agenda. So, in essence, if you are going to start a thread and ask a question make sure it conforms! ;-)
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You've gotta organise tactics for a match every week in a matter of days and not just try to find a way to break the opposition down but also to ensure they dont get through you.
You've also got to try and build a decent Squad to fight for promotion / mid-table / avoid relegation with so many players out in the world, with so many scouts and agents trying to prove their player is the next Messi whilst you've got to try and ensure he's not the next Omar Pouso.
Around all that you've also got a number of press conferences to do each week, god knows where they find the time to do everything in a week as well!!
Now stop trolling for the anti-Powell brigade, they'll be enough of them out that another threads not needed on the subject.
Find it really odd that people like you can't tell the difference between a bad manager and a manager working with extremely limited resources.
What do you think the current squad should be achieving? Top ten, top six, top two?! Rather than starting stupid threads like this, why not spend a couple of hours looking at the strength of our opponents' squads in comparison to ours. Think you'll find that our position in the table reflects the level of investment in our squad compared to our rivals. Our talented manager is the difference between being fourth from bottom and fighting rather than rock bottom and doomed.
To be a "good" manager often requires being in the right place at the right time.
Conversely, you can become a "bad" manager just by being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
The best current example of this may be Pardew.
At Charlton he was in the wrong place at the wrong time and Murray had to pay him off with a million and a half in order to see him off the premises.
Yet at Newcastle he is patently the right man in the right place at the right time. If a rival premiership club wanted to lure him away (say Man U after sacking Moyes?) , they would have to pay millions to buy out his contract and further compensation on top of that.
How do we square the circle of how he buggered up at Charlton and yet has turned out to be an inspired appointment at Newcastle? I'd suggest it's all about timing and circumstance because both apparently contradictory positions are true - he's been superb at Newcastle but totally lost the plot at Charlton.
There is nothing new about this - Clough's disastrous 44 day tenure at the Damned United comes to mind.
If the question is specifically about Powell (and I didn't read it that way, to be honest), he's probably the right man in the right place but at the wrong time. Which doesn't make him a poor manager, but does explain why he's currently struggling.
This is a bottom 5 squad and we are roughly were I expected us to be.
We only have 3 senior strikers. Really need a minimum of 4, if not 5.
Some of our best players from the last two seasons have been out injured this season, Yann, Jackson and Solly.
Other players that did well last season have struggled, such as Pritchard and Harriott.
New players have come in but are replacements, rather than improvements, at best. When we won League 1 we weren't hoping to see the club bring in the likes Wilson, Wood, Church, Gower, Stewart etc, we were hoping for proven players at this level. The fact that we've brought in a number of players of that sort of level shows what we can attract and afford. They've played a part but they aren't what we needed to push on.
We've also still got players here that would have left had we been able to really improve the squad like Green and Hughes.
We could take the risk, and that's all it is, and replace Powell, but the reality is with this squad we're most likely going to be no better off and it could make things worse. I can't imagine us being any better off if Dowie, Pardew or Parkinson were managing this squad. And who's out there? We won't be paying compensation for manager at another club, or big wages to an out of work manager that's been at a bigger or richer club.
MrLargo chill out fella, its diasapointing losing a two goal lead but not the end of the world.
If you think im stupid fair enough all about opinions m8 no need to be personal.
I don't think he is getting the best out of them.
I think he did last year but as it stands i do not think he is doing it this year.
This isn't me saying 'powell out' but there players out there who are better than they are showing and Chris Powell has too many people making excuses for him.
May sound naive but i reckon the club surviving relegation and possible damnation should be more motivation than there own personal contracts.
Let him take a bit of stick without getting offended.
Churn is what makes a bad manager. Sacking one manager and bringing in a new one only to sack him and bring in another new one.
So, if you're looking for Charlton to have a really bad manager in charge, the best thing to do would be to replace Chris Powell.
I'd like to see a ruling that manager's cannot be changed once a season has started. Is there any other business that is as ruthless as football.
If we behaved like this in the NHS and sacked every manager that fecked up for a few weeks in a row, or wasn't liked by their team (lost the dressing room), then every hospital in the UK would be shut before Easter!!
As for the, '95% of patients at A & E will be seen within four hours target,' hmmm. What is it they say about statistics?