classic professional clip of the back heel. defenders do it all the time. every time a ref gives them I applaud because it's hard to spot which is why defenders use it so much.
He doesn't need to explain it. He obviously doesn't feel it was a penalty. Refs should not be put in front of cameras after the game to explain decisions or why they did or didn't award something. Players don't have to justify why they made mistakes in games in front of the cameras and neither should refs. Imagine a ref making a mistake in a game, coming on TV to accept it and then reffing at Stanford Bridge or Old Trafford the next week. The likes of Mourinho and Moyes would have a field day using mind games. Refs get the large majority of decisions correct...more than any manager or player does.
No likes after last night no wonder.The Ref was a c**t
This thread shows what an impossible task referees have. Some here say "cert penalty" and others "no penalty". He cant satisfy two sets of views when they are so diverse !!
Never gonna happen, and an apology won't do anything for our league position. Don't usually moan about officials but they have cost us points against both Leeds and Reading now.
The only way a ref can give a pen is if he is 100% certain a foul has been committed. There is no way he can be certain in this instance on the run from 30 yards away. Impossible to give, and if he did, he would have to be guessing.
The only way a ref can give a pen is if he is 100% certain a foul has been committed. There is no way he can be certain in this instance on the run from 30 yards away. Impossible to give, and if he did, he would have to be guessing.
He doesn't need to explain it. He obviously doesn't feel it was a penalty. Refs should not be put in front of cameras after the game to explain decisions or why they did or didn't award something. Players don't have to justify why they made mistakes in games in front of the cameras and neither should refs. Imagine a ref making a mistake in a game, coming on TV to accept it and then reffing at Stanford Bridge or Old Trafford the next week. The likes of Mourinho and Moyes would have a field day using mind games. Refs get the large majority of decisions correct...more than any manager or player does.
I think the difference is, if a player/manger consistently makes mistakes then he's considered to not be doing his job properly and therefore will lose it. Yet we seem to get a poor ref, and not only does he continue to ref after our game, but he's replaced with an equally poor one the next week. 2 points in 4 days is unforgivable and could be crucial come the end of the season yet I doubt those officials have given their poor decisions a second thought.
I'm not saying it's an easy job at all, but there are thousands of difficult jobs out there. If it's too hard, don't do it.
Although I can't prove it, my guess is that there would be absolutely no evidence to support the 'big clubs win more penalties' theory. Didn't Spurs go nearly an entire year without a penalty? How does that work? Were they only playing the four teams above them?
Well most times we've played at Old Trafford, Anfield, Highbury/Emirates, Stamford Bridge, White Hart Lane, we've had loads of decent shouts & hardly had a sniff. They get them at the drop of a hat.
Funny how Man U hadn't had a penalty against them at OT for, what was it 1 year, 2 years ?
That's because big clubs spend far less time defending in their own area. They're a big club who can afford defenders who don't give away many penalties. Midfielders who have so much possession, the opposition rarely get into the United penalty area. It's far more likely that supporters connect incidents they remember to create a 'poor us' theory, than referees being heavily influenced by the home crowd.
The sad fact is that we know in our heart of hearts that if the incident happened at the offer end it would have ben a pen. I do beleive that we are in arrears when it comes to these sort of decisions and that frustrates me immensely.
There was atime, when the Valley was a more intimidating place when we were in credit. I think poor refs use the Valley now to prove they haven't got a home bias and most of them are poor in all honesty!
rather than blaming refs, blame the likes of Ashley Young who consistently try to cheat refs by diving but seem to be allowed to get away with it time and time again without all this furore. These types of players mean refs most likley go into a game knowing that at some stage a player will dive so it makes their job that much harder.
We are lucky at Charlton we don't have many players who do this but unfortunately the minority ruin it for the majority
a) he never touched him b) it was a coming together of two players, neither at fault c) he was clipped but had lost control of the ball d) AN other e) You're a ref and don't like to criticise your fellow professionals f) you're on a wind-up
Live I thought it was nailed on and haven't changed my mind from the replay
rather than blaming refs, blame the likes of Ashley Young who consistently try to cheat refs by diving but seem to be allowed to get away with it time and time again without all this furore. These types of players mean refs most likley go into a game knowing that at some stage a player will dive so it makes their job that much harder.
We are lucky at Charlton we don't have many players who do this but unfortunately the minority ruin it for the majority
Agreed however I think most forwards have been taught at some point to go to ground when there is contact especially in the penalty area and both Yann and Church know when to hit the deck.
Although I can't prove it, my guess is that there would be absolutely no evidence to support the 'big clubs win more penalties' theory. Didn't Spurs go nearly an entire year without a penalty? How does that work? Were they only playing the four teams above them?
Well most times we've played at Old Trafford, Anfield, Highbury/Emirates, Stamford Bridge, White Hart Lane, we've had loads of decent shouts & hardly had a sniff. They get them at the drop of a hat.
Funny how Man U hadn't had a penalty against them at OT for, what was it 1 year, 2 years ?
That's because big clubs spend far less time defending in their own area. They're a big club who can afford defenders who don't give away many penalties. Midfielders who have so much possession, the opposition rarely get into the United penalty area. It's far more likely that supporters connect incidents they remember to create a 'poor us' theory, than referees being heavily influenced by the home crowd.
Although I can't prove it, my guess is that there would be absolutely no evidence to support the 'big clubs win more penalties' theory. Didn't Spurs go nearly an entire year without a penalty? How does that work? Were they only playing the four teams above them?
Well most times we've played at Old Trafford, Anfield, Highbury/Emirates, Stamford Bridge, White Hart Lane, we've had loads of decent shouts & hardly had a sniff. They get them at the drop of a hat.
Funny how Man U hadn't had a penalty against them at OT for, what was it 1 year, 2 years ?
That's because big clubs spend far less time defending in their own area. They're a big club who can afford defenders who don't give away many penalties. Midfielders who have so much possession, the opposition rarely get into the United penalty area. It's far more likely that supporters connect incidents they remember to create a 'poor us' theory, than referees being heavily influenced by the home crowd.
So good, that they're 9th.
Shittest post of the day that I've read. Good one.
rather than blaming refs, blame the likes of Ashley Young who consistently try to cheat refs by diving but seem to be allowed to get away with it time and time again without all this furore. These types of players mean refs most likley go into a game knowing that at some stage a player will dive so it makes their job that much harder.
We are lucky at Charlton we don't have many players who do this but unfortunately the minority ruin it for the majority
Agreed however I think most fowards have been taught at some point to go to ground when there is contact especially in the penalty area and both Yann and Church know when to hit the deck.
I completely agree with this - refs shouldn't be blamed when players, managers, coaches, fans et al will ALL try and deceive the referee before he's made a single error.
Players will lie through their teeth to win a throw, but blame the ref when he gets it wrong and then - and this winds me up the most - chat to each other and have a laugh about how rubbish the ref is, as they walk away.
The reason they are taught to go to ground is that refs don't give a foul if they don't. It is not cheating, but helping the ref make a decision. Diving when there is no contact or no foul is cheating. The problem for me is that most refs didn't play the game to a decent level so they may undertsand the rules but they don't undertstand what really goes on. The best ones do of course, but a lot of refs have alsways wanted to be refs. I'd rather ex players do the job, as anybody who wants to be a ref above being a player worries me!
When the 23 people go onto the football pitch only 1 isn't going to deliberately cheat within the 90 minutes. The other 22 will steal yards at freekicks and throw-ins, feign injuries, time waste and lie.
A ref with no bottle. If it's not a penalty (according to the ref) then church should have been sent off for diving. It's not a "nothing" situation is it, a clear foul or dive occurred in the penalty box.
Although I can't prove it, my guess is that there would be absolutely no evidence to support the 'big clubs win more penalties' theory. Didn't Spurs go nearly an entire year without a penalty? How does that work? Were they only playing the four teams above them?
Well most times we've played at Old Trafford, Anfield, Highbury/Emirates, Stamford Bridge, White Hart Lane, we've had loads of decent shouts & hardly had a sniff. They get them at the drop of a hat.
Funny how Man U hadn't had a penalty against them at OT for, what was it 1 year, 2 years ?
That's because big clubs spend far less time defending in their own area. They're a big club who can afford defenders who don't give away many penalties. Midfielders who have so much possession, the opposition rarely get into the United penalty area. It's far more likely that supporters connect incidents they remember to create a 'poor us' theory, than referees being heavily influenced by the home crowd.
So good, that they're 9th.
Shittest post of the day that I've read. Good one.
Would have to top nearly all of yours. Saying Man U don't give penalties away solely because they have brilliant defenders (when they actually have Johnny Evans and the erratic, shirt-pulling Vidic at the back) is laughable. The penalty Ashley Young won against Palace earlier this season, for example, was a joke. Would he have won that if he was playing for Palace? Would he shite.
Similarly the penalty Chelsea "won" AT HOME to West Brom. The pen that never was. When was the last time you saw one of these go against the big teams? When was the last time Southampton or Stoke won a last-minute, questionable pen at Old Trafford, Emirates or Stamford Bridge?
Your comment about "midfielders having so much possession opposing teams rarely get into their half" is a joke, surely. Do you mean (again using Man United's midfield as the example) the midfield duo of Tom Cleverley and Phil Jones, who have been widely criticised this season for not playing many incisive or even forward passes? Did you see the possession stats in the game against Everton yesterday? Do your homework before making stupid comments and making up facts.
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I'm not saying it's an easy job at all, but there are thousands of difficult jobs out there. If it's too hard, don't do it.
There was atime, when the Valley was a more intimidating place when we were in credit. I think poor refs use the Valley now to prove they haven't got a home bias and most of them are poor in all honesty!
We are lucky at Charlton we don't have many players who do this but unfortunately the minority ruin it for the majority
a) he never touched him
b) it was a coming together of two players, neither at fault
c) he was clipped but had lost control of the ball
d) AN other
e) You're a ref and don't like to criticise your fellow professionals
f) you're on a wind-up
Live I thought it was nailed on and haven't changed my mind from the replay
Players will lie through their teeth to win a throw, but blame the ref when he gets it wrong and then - and this winds me up the most - chat to each other and have a laugh about how rubbish the ref is, as they walk away.
The other 22 will steal yards at freekicks and throw-ins, feign injuries, time waste and lie.
Similarly the penalty Chelsea "won" AT HOME to West Brom. The pen that never was. When was the last time you saw one of these go against the big teams? When was the last time Southampton or Stoke won a last-minute, questionable pen at Old Trafford, Emirates or Stamford Bridge?
Your comment about "midfielders having so much possession opposing teams rarely get into their half" is a joke, surely. Do you mean (again using Man United's midfield as the example) the midfield duo of Tom Cleverley and Phil Jones, who have been widely criticised this season for not playing many incisive or even forward passes? Did you see the possession stats in the game against Everton yesterday? Do your homework before making stupid comments and making up facts.