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Players Marked 2 or Below

paulie8290paulie8290
in General Charlton
I really don't understand how people can give such low marks.

2 people so far have given Evina a 1 for the reading game, now I never went but surly he was not that bad.

The worst I have given is a 3 and that was because Pritch played awful and was then sent off against Bournemouth.

I would never even give a 2 know idea how you can give someone a 1.
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  • FiiiiiishFiiiiiish
    To say someone has performed to a Traore/Faye level is very harsh.
  • Sonicstud85Sonicstud85
    It is out of 10. 1 and 2 are valid integers in that range. If we can't use 1 or 2 then why not make it out of 8?
  • SELR_addicksSELR_addicks
    Someone gave Sordell a 0 and he was pretty good...
  • Karim_myBagheriKarim_myBagheri
    edited December 2013
    only one man deserved a 0 and that man was hasselwank.

    players should get low marks if they get sent off and have played like crap. Danny mills when he did that a few years ago would of got a 1 from me.
  • paulie8290paulie8290
    Sonicstud85 said:

    It is out of 10. 1 and 2 are valid integers in that range. If we can't use 1 or 2 then why not make it out of 8?

    All my point was that unless a goalkeeper concedes 10 or more goals, or a player gets sent off and scores a few own goals and has 0% pass accuracy then surly the don't serve that poor a mark
  • stonewallpenaltystonewallpenalty
    People give 8's and 9's for fun. It works both ways.
  • mrblighmrbligh
    More to the point, why do we need a thread discussing it? Jeez, it's getting well tetchy around here lately

    If someone was at the game, they can mark as they like

  • SuedeAdidasSuedeAdidas
    I don't submit player marks. But as both the score - and more importantly - the meaning of the score are subjective, these things will happen.

    Is there any kind of rating system that these scores represent - ie from scoring an own goal and getting sent off up to scoring a hat trick and nutting a Millwall player?
  • MacronateMacronate
    AFKABartram said:

    It is ridiculous, and purely done for effect.

    Me and Lanc Lad will have a private conversation about it. In theory, the amount of people voting properly should mean that any silly outliners (either positive or negative) don't get to have any impact. That becomes more of an issue in the aways when naturally fewer people give marks.

    Others might think i'm taking it too serious, but i'm immensely proud of our Statbank. Despite doing it a number of years, it still hasn't been copied by any other club fansite which i thought would happen, and over time it will provide a fantastic statistical history of games / players time with the club.

    If you don't currently submit marks, please do, and please don't use it as an excuse to 'punish' after a defeat. Use the Views thread for that if you have to.

    thanks

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  • NicholasNicholas
    Lets all mark every player the same then. Evina was really really crap yesterday and if people think he deserved a 2 then he deserved a 2 its all about opinions.
  • LargeAddickLargeAddick
    AFKABartram said:

    It is ridiculous, and purely done for effect.

    Me and Lanc Lad will have a private conversation about it. In theory, the amount of people voting properly should mean that any silly outliners (either positive or negative) don't get to have any impact. That becomes more of an issue in the aways when naturally fewer people give marks.

    Others might think i'm taking it too serious, but i'm immensely proud of our Statbank. Despite doing it a number of years, it still hasn't been copied by any other club fansite which i thought would happen, and over time it will provide a fantastic statistical history of games / players time with the club.

    If you don't currently submit marks, please do, and please don't use it as an excuse to 'punish' after a defeat. Use the Views thread for that if you have to.

    thanks

    it may surprise you to know that I have never ever looked at the Statbank.

  • paulie8290paulie8290
    AFKABartram said:

    It is ridiculous, and purely done for effect.

    Me and Lanc Lad will have a private conversation about it. In theory, the amount of people voting properly should mean that any silly outliners (either positive or negative) don't get to have any impact. That becomes more of an issue in the aways when naturally fewer people give marks.

    Others might think i'm taking it too serious, but i'm immensely proud of our Statbank. Despite doing it a number of years, it still hasn't been copied by any other club fansite which i thought would happen, and over time it will provide a fantastic statistical history of games / players time with the club.

    If you don't currently submit marks, please do, and please don't use it as an excuse to 'punish' after a defeat. Use the Views thread for that if you have to.

    thanks

    I love the Statbank and am very surprised as well that know one has has copied it.
  • Karim_myBagheriKarim_myBagheri
    SuedeAdidas said:

    I don't submit player marks. But as both the score - and more importantly - the meaning of the score are subjective, these things will happen.

    Is there any kind of rating system that these scores represent - ie from scoring an own goal and getting sent off up to scoring a hat trick and nutting a Millwall player?

    for games against millwall it becomes a bit hard to control.
    If for example we beat millwall my marks would be as follows - 10 out of 10 for every player.
    if a player in the match went on to score a hat trick and nutted one of their players whilst gesturing to the spanner fans what we all think of them. he would then get 11 or otherwise a "God Like Status".
    where the following day I will start a petition to get a statue erected outside of the valley of the moment he strikes the millwall player in the head.

    if we lose and all those things happened against us then every player will get 0 and I will start a petition to close the club down so I will not be reminded of the hurt everytime I go down to the valley.
  • MiserableoldgitMiserableoldgit
    paulie8290 said:

    Sonicstud85 said:

    It is out of 10. 1 and 2 are valid integers in that range. If we can't use 1 or 2 then why not make it out of 8?

    All my point was that unless a goalkeeper concedes 10 or more goals, or a player gets sent off and scores a few own goals and has 0% pass accuracy then surly the don't serve that poor a mark
    How about a winger who doesn't beat anyone on the outside and very rarely, if at all, put in a decent cross ?

  • GarrymanilowGarrymanilow
    Giving a player a 2 or under for a slightly sub-par performance shows a lack of perspective, an inability to separate the emotion from the reality, and that's frustrating because the statbank is there to give perspective to people who weren't there. When I do marks I generally work on the basis that an average performance is a 6, with nothing done particularly wrong but not too much offered, and a 5 for if the bad slightly outweighs the good. Anything outside of that relates to specific instances of good of bad play. I think that offers the most considered view but when it's an away match where few marks are submitted and the 1s and 0s come out you do feel a bit like you wasted your time bothering to give it some thought
  • paulie8290paulie8290
    Garrymanilow said:

    Giving a player a 2 or under for a slightly sub-par performance shows a lack of perspective, an inability to separate the emotion from the reality, and that's frustrating because the statbank is there to give perspective to people who weren't there. When I do marks I generally work on the basis that an average performance is a 6, with nothing done particularly wrong but not too much offered, and a 5 for if the bad slightly outweighs the good. Anything outside of that relates to specific instances of good of bad play. I think that offers the most considered view but when it's an away match where few marks are submitted and the 1s and 0s come out you do feel a bit like you wasted your time bothering to give it some thought

    This is my point exactly
  • NicholasNicholas
    Ok I don’t agree with the person that gave 1s and 0s, especially the 0 for Sordell that was ridiculous. Evina though was piss poor and deserved nothing more then a 3.
  • MacronateMacronate
    0-didn't try, misplaced every pass, gave a five finger salute to the Covered End at the end of the game
    1-totally ineffective in his position (called having a Francis), sent off
    2-terrible, booked
    3-clearly playing for a contract elsewhere, never attended a Bromley Addicks meeting
    4-deserves to be dropped for next game
    5-below par, lacked any urgency and shorts too big
    6-not bad but not good, in fact..boring
    7-decent performance
    8-v good
    9-stormer, deserves to be playing for his country
    10-not possible in a Charlton shirt
  • CallumcafcCallumcafc
    When I'm giving marks, every player starts the 90 minutes on 6/10 and goes up or down from that point. It'd be interesting to know how others approach it.
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  • incorruptible addickincorruptible addick
    I confess that I did once give a zero, although on reflection a blank might have been a better entry.

    I gave the zero on the grounds that the player concerned had made so little contribuition that I had barely noticed he was playing. It wasn't done for effect and I don't think it was ridiculous. I felt I couldn't give him a mark because I hadn't seen him do anything. The player had genuinely been anonymous from kick-off until he was subbed.

    I suppose I could have gven him a mark for not scoring an own goal and another mark or two for not getting in the way of his team mates...can't even remember who it was now, to be honest, but it was during the Parkinson era and could well have been one of his more useless loan signings.
  • CatAddickCatAddick
    Garrymanilow said:

    Giving a player a 2 or under for a slightly sub-par performance shows a lack of perspective, an inability to separate the emotion from the reality, and that's frustrating because the statbank is there to give perspective to people who weren't there. When I do marks I generally work on the basis that an average performance is a 6, with nothing done particularly wrong but not too much offered, and a 5 for if the bad slightly outweighs the good. Anything outside of that relates to specific instances of good of bad play. I think that offers the most considered view but when it's an away match where few marks are submitted and the 1s and 0s come out you do feel a bit like you wasted your time bothering to give it some thought

    Similar to what I do. 5 means they got onto the pitch without nutting the ref. Individual mistakes or good bits of play push the score up and down. Invariably that means I normally score everyone >5 as even at this level a player will generally make more good passes/tackles than bad even if they dropped two absolute clangers that lead to us losing. Maybe there needs to be some more processing than just a statistical mean to attenuate the affect of outliers
  • SouthendaddickSouthendaddick
    Whilst i think it is a good idea if used properly, fans tend to rate emotionally, hence the silly scores post win/defeat so I havent looked for a while now.

    Hamer is a good example. Most of the time he is a 6 out of 10 in my book.

    But I bet in the same game some will score him a 4 and some an 8 depending on agenda.
  • se9addickse9addick
    Surely giving 1 or 2 is as ridiculous as giving a 9 or 10 in a scale which is graded out of 10 ?
  • stonewallpenaltystonewallpenalty
    Cristiano Ronaldo against Sweden is as close to a '10' as i have seen recently.
  • Sonicstud85Sonicstud85
    I dont get why some people start off at 6? why not 5?
  • paulie8290paulie8290
    Sonicstud85 said:

    I dont get why some people start off at 6? why not 5?

    I think if you spoke to most reporters and people who give marks for papers and other places the standard is to start with a 6
  • Oggy RedOggy Red
    Southendaddick said:


    Hamer is a good example. Most of the time he is a 6 out of 10 in my book.

    But I bet in the same game some will score him a 4 and some an 8 depending on agenda.

    I know what you mean by some posters - there was the time when the team put in a good team performance, got the 3 points and every outfield player was marked 6 or 7 and the MoM got 8.

    Except poor old Hamer, who was marked down to 4, because as someone posted, "........ he had nothing to do."





  • Sonicstud85Sonicstud85
    paulie8290 said:

    Sonicstud85 said:

    I dont get why some people start off at 6? why not 5?

    I think if you spoke to most reporters and people who give marks for papers and other places the standard is to start with a 6
    Yea i know, it happens on Football Manager too - just strange i think.
  • lancashire ladlancashire lad
    Sordell should not have been marked as he was not on the pitch for at least 30 minutes.
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