Am I alone in being a little perturbed in thinking that a building goes from state-of-the-art to obsolescent in less than 15 years. After all, this is not a car or computer. (Sainsbury's leaflet says : "In recent years the number of people living and shopping in the local area has increased significantly; this has meant that our store trade has increased to such a point that it cannot remain in the current building without compromising the customer's shopping experience.") Under RBG's relentless ambition there is a hectic pace to these developments and a clear lack of any sentimentality - it's all strictly business.
These are just more parts of the jigsaw.
If IKEA swallows Sainsbury's and Comet, that is going to be quite a footprint, especially when parking is considered.
I think this is more about the numbers using Sainsburys. I remember it being heralded for its' green credentials when it opened, but I do use it weekly and agree that it seems to be a lot busier now than a few years ago.
I don't have an issue with them moving along to Charlton to take over a site which had fallen into disrepair. I also have to say that, despite never being to an Ikea store, if they are willing to make use of Sainsbury's current site AND make something out of Comet, which has lain dormant for some time now, then that can only be good for the area.
Both stores will add to an area that is growing, population-wise, and will be home for a number of existing & potential, new Charlton fans.
The takeover party is over, discarded cans of lager, the odd cider bottles here and there, minor damage to seats, the marks of frustration, just a few guys left talking about Sainsburys and how once they were sure they saw a comet.
Never one to follow convention, the one true light's following has seen a dynamic and unpredictable life. It has alternated between periods of quiet reflection and violent outburst. But its toughened exterior belied a complex and delicate inner working that only now we are just beginning to understand. In late 2013, Comet Peninsula demonstrated not only its true colours but a surprising turn of speed as it reached its career defining moment in the inner circles of our rarefied atmosphere. Tragically, on November 29th, 2013, ComPen's tenacious ambition outweighed its ability, and our shining red and white candle in the solar wind began to fizzle out."
Am I alone in being a little perturbed in thinking that a building goes from state-of-the-art to obsolescent in less than 15 years. After all, this is not a car or computer. (Sainsbury's leaflet says : "In recent years the number of people living and shopping in the local area has increased significantly; this has meant that our store trade has increased to such a point that it cannot remain in the current building without compromising the customer's shopping experience.") Under RBG's relentless ambition there is a hectic pace to these developments and a clear lack of any sentimentality - it's all strictly business.
These are just more parts of the jigsaw.
If IKEA swallows Sainsbury's and Comet, that is going to be quite a footprint, especially when parking is considered.
I ve been told that Matalan are trying to move from their current site into the old Comet place.
Am I alone in being a little perturbed in thinking that a building goes from state-of-the-art to obsolescent in less than 15 years. After all, this is not a car or computer. (Sainsbury's leaflet says : "In recent years the number of people living and shopping in the local area has increased significantly; this has meant that our store trade has increased to such a point that it cannot remain in the current building without compromising the customer's shopping experience.") Under RBG's relentless ambition there is a hectic pace to these developments and a clear lack of any sentimentality - it's all strictly business.
These are just more parts of the jigsaw.
If IKEA swallows Sainsbury's and Comet, that is going to be quite a footprint, especially when parking is considered.
I think this is more about the numbers using Sainsburys. I remember it being heralded for its' green credentials when it opened, but I do use it weekly and agree that it seems to be a lot busier now than a few years ago.
I don't have an issue with them moving along to Charlton to take over a site which had fallen into disrepair. I also have to say that, despite never being to an Ikea store, if they are willing to make use of Sainsbury's current site AND make something out of Comet, which has lain dormant for some time now, then that can only be good for the area.
Both stores will add to an area that is growing, population-wise, and will be home for a number of existing & potential, new Charlton fans.
Indeed. As a local resident how could this be anything but positive for me, and as a non-driver the potential long-term effect on the highways is not directly my concern. (Bring back the trams!)
Large swathes of London are covered with Victorian streets externally still intact (mostly). There are hot-spots, however, and CAFC finds itself in a most fortunate location. The Valley itself is already a brownfield site. The marketing people want to refer to us as Greenwich - well, that's not such a high price to pay. We know that as the empty spaces in Greenwich Millennium Village gradually get filled in that will bring more potential Addicks into the area, although they may be drawn from overseas rather than from London or elsewhere in the UK, with little football heritage.
For 150 years the British used Hong Kong as their offshore gateway into China. Perhaps nowadays the Chinese are using London as their offshore gateway into Europe. Recently it struck me that there are more and more people with Oriental features to be seen around - maybe apart from Middle Easterners they are the only people with a lot of money to invest, and the Chinese in particular have always had an interest in property. There are now irreversible changes happening in our manor, lying as it does between Greenwich Peninsula and Crossrail) and unsentimental investors from around the globe will be drawn to our doorstep.
The Americans in particular have never had a problem with constantly renovating their commercial districts. Few buildings are sacrosanct - they really believe that land use means land must be used, must be put to work. A visitor to our area who has been away for only 15 years would be astounded at the changes in his absence, and the pace of change is even accelerating, and all this during a catastrophic financial collapse. Our current owners must have many factors to consider as they try to release themselves from their CAFC investment, hopefully at a suitable profit - no wonder it's taking a time.
The current sainsburys has many problems due to its Eco friendly construction, read somewhere that it has bore holes to cool/heat it but these keep flooding
Correct, this is the reason. Plus they want something to compete with Tesco at Woolwich.
The takeover party is over, discarded cans of lager, the odd cider bottles here and there, minor damage to seats, the marks of frustration, just a few guys left talking about Sainsburys and how once they were sure they saw a comet.
Am I alone in being a little perturbed in thinking that a building goes from state-of-the-art to obsolescent in less than 15 years. After all, this is not a car or computer. (Sainsbury's leaflet says : "In recent years the number of people living and shopping in the local area has increased significantly; this has meant that our store trade has increased to such a point that it cannot remain in the current building without compromising the customer's shopping experience.") Under RBG's relentless ambition there is a hectic pace to these developments and a clear lack of any sentimentality - it's all strictly business.
These are just more parts of the jigsaw.
If IKEA swallows Sainsbury's and Comet, that is going to be quite a footprint, especially when parking is considered.
I ve been told that Matalan are trying to move from their current site into the old Comet place.
Am I alone in being a little perturbed in thinking that a building goes from state-of-the-art to obsolescent in less than 15 years. After all, this is not a car or computer. (Sainsbury's leaflet says : "In recent years the number of people living and shopping in the local area has increased significantly; this has meant that our store trade has increased to such a point that it cannot remain in the current building without compromising the customer's shopping experience.") Under RBG's relentless ambition there is a hectic pace to these developments and a clear lack of any sentimentality - it's all strictly business.
These are just more parts of the jigsaw.
If IKEA swallows Sainsbury's and Comet, that is going to be quite a footprint, especially when parking is considered.
I ve been told that Matalan are trying to move from their current site into the old Comet place.
Matalan are closing down around 14th December.
Correct
But only temporarily until Matalan's current site has been redeveloped and they move back.
There's nothing silly about it. But it does take a certain amount of effort to follow.
There's a takeover in the offing. The club owner's have produced a sales brochure that highlights the potential of moving the club to the Peninsula. Greenwich Council are actively pushing commercial, retail development of the Peninsula. Given the scope of development in the area, major international players are interested. Major retailers, from Sainsbury's to IKEA are planning to build in spaces in and around Charlton because of the growth of the local population in North Greenwich and Charlton in particular (and, also, the Thames Valley) as part of a potential planned re-shuffle. Leaving the Valley paves the way for housing development on the site, in-line with the area becoming more dense with housing and retail (by extension, the Peninsula being an entertainment hub).
These are the variables. Over the course of the last 50 pages, we've tried to connect the dots in various ways. Some will have touched on points of relevance, maybe even hit the mark, but because so much is reliant on one thing or another falling into place at any one time, who knows how the chips will fall.
I thought the same about posting about the retail developments but, as LoOkOuT mentions above, I think the changes in the area are important to any future owner(s).
If I am a prospective buyer, I want to understand the potential and the current and proposed growth in Greenwich (particularly) is both significant and pretty much public.
Sadly not specific to an imminent takeover by benevolent new owners, but it should be seen as a positive going forward.
I thought the same about posting about the retail developments but, as LoOkOuT mentions above, I think the changes in the area are important to any future owner(s).
If I am a prospective buyer, I want to understand the potential and the current and proposed growth in Greenwich (particularly) is both significant and pretty much public.
Sadly not specific to an imminent takeover by benevolent new owners, but it should be seen as a positive going forward.
Apologies for my contributions to what has undoubtedly become an exercise in frustration. The above comments, and LoOkOuT's earlier deft summary, are bang on the button. My own remarks were an attempt to offer some kind of context.
This whole saga is a mix of sport, money and politics and we've seen from the Olympic legacy fiasco just what dismal results can be achieved with such a combination. Ironically our club is in danger of becoming a football itself.
It can only be hoped that all concerned in the negotiations are fully aware of the slow suffocation that they are inflicting on the club. Is it possible that the extremely risky personnel contracts situation has arisen because the club has been requested, or even instructed, by involved parties that they cannot enter into long-term commitments that will fall not upon themselves but their successors ? After all, they could agree to anything - they won't be the ones paying.
We can only pray that when everything is resolved and the dust settles we can recover that feeling of stability (boredom to some) we enjoyed during the later Murray/Prem years, but somehow I think we can expect the roller-coaster years to be with us for some time.
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I don't have an issue with them moving along to Charlton to take over a site which had fallen into disrepair. I also have to say that, despite never being to an Ikea store, if they are willing to make use of Sainsbury's current site AND make something out of Comet, which has lain dormant for some time now, then that can only be good for the area.
Both stores will add to an area that is growing, population-wise, and will be home for a number of existing & potential, new Charlton fans.
Never one to follow convention, the one true light's following has seen a dynamic and unpredictable life.
It has alternated between periods of quiet reflection and violent outburst. But its toughened exterior belied a complex and delicate inner working that only now we are just beginning to understand. In late 2013, Comet Peninsula demonstrated not only its true colours but a surprising turn of speed as it reached its career defining moment in the inner circles of our rarefied atmosphere.
Tragically, on November 29th, 2013, ComPen's tenacious ambition outweighed its ability, and our shining red and white candle in the solar wind began to fizzle out."
Matalan are closing down around 14th December.
Large swathes of London are covered with Victorian streets externally still intact (mostly). There are hot-spots, however, and CAFC finds itself in a most fortunate location. The Valley itself is already a brownfield site. The marketing people want to refer to us as Greenwich - well, that's not such a high price to pay. We know that as the empty spaces in Greenwich Millennium Village gradually get filled in that will bring more potential Addicks into the area, although they may be drawn from overseas rather than from London or elsewhere in the UK, with little football heritage.
For 150 years the British used Hong Kong as their offshore gateway into China. Perhaps nowadays the Chinese are using London as their offshore gateway into Europe. Recently it struck me that there are more and more people with Oriental features to be seen around - maybe apart from Middle Easterners they are the only people with a lot of money to invest, and the Chinese in particular have always had an interest in property. There are now irreversible changes happening in our manor, lying as it does between Greenwich Peninsula and Crossrail) and unsentimental investors from around the globe will be drawn to our doorstep.
The Americans in particular have never had a problem with constantly renovating their commercial districts. Few buildings are sacrosanct - they really believe that land use means land must be used, must be put to work. A visitor to our area who has been away for only 15 years would be astounded at the changes in his absence, and the pace of change is even accelerating, and all this during a catastrophic financial collapse. Our current owners must have many factors to consider as they try to release themselves from their CAFC investment, hopefully at a suitable profit - no wonder it's taking a time.
Nothing's ever simple, is it ?
Plus they want something to compete with Tesco at Woolwich.
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Although, there is a H&M along Bugsby's Way!! ;-)
The ITK were dropping hints about this a while back. All becoming clear now
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There's a takeover in the offing.
The club owner's have produced a sales brochure that highlights the potential of moving the club to the Peninsula.
Greenwich Council are actively pushing commercial, retail development of the Peninsula.
Given the scope of development in the area, major international players are interested.
Major retailers, from Sainsbury's to IKEA are planning to build in spaces in and around Charlton because of the growth of the local population in North Greenwich and Charlton in particular (and, also, the Thames Valley) as part of a potential planned re-shuffle.
Leaving the Valley paves the way for housing development on the site, in-line with the area becoming more dense with housing and retail (by extension, the Peninsula being an entertainment hub).
These are the variables. Over the course of the last 50 pages, we've tried to connect the dots in various ways. Some will have touched on points of relevance, maybe even hit the mark, but because so much is reliant on one thing or another falling into place at any one time, who knows how the chips will fall.
If I am a prospective buyer, I want to understand the potential and the current and proposed growth in Greenwich (particularly) is both significant and pretty much public.
Sadly not specific to an imminent takeover by benevolent new owners, but it should be seen as a positive going forward.
This whole saga is a mix of sport, money and politics and we've seen from the Olympic legacy fiasco just what dismal results can be achieved with such a combination. Ironically our club is in danger of becoming a football itself.
It can only be hoped that all concerned in the negotiations are fully aware of the slow suffocation that they are inflicting on the club. Is it possible that the extremely risky personnel contracts situation has arisen because the club has been requested, or even instructed, by involved parties that they cannot enter into long-term commitments that will fall not upon themselves but their successors ? After all, they could agree to anything - they won't be the ones paying.
We can only pray that when everything is resolved and the dust settles we can recover that feeling of stability (boredom to some) we enjoyed during the later Murray/Prem years, but somehow I think we can expect the roller-coaster years to be with us for some time.
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