we're gonna be .. we're gonna be .. we're gonna be .. the new Chelseeee da da da da .. da da da da ... da da da da da .. da da
Lol, I seriously hope not! While my dream for the club is financial stability and good football I personally would hate for us to become the new Chelski, Man City etc., I truly believe that those owners/clubs are ruining English Football.
we're gonna be .. we're gonna be .. we're gonna be .. the new Chelseeee da da da da .. da da da da ... da da da da da .. da da
Lol, I seriously hope not! While my dream for the club is financial stability and good football I personally would hate for us to become the new Chelski, Man City etc., I truly believe that those owners/clubs are ruining English Football.
I have been looking at ITV forum this evening and saw this so as this person has asked someone I'm reposting-:
Just heard through a friend that one of the companies that are involved somehow in the never ending takeover are Hutchison Whampoa a Hong Kong based company in the fortune 500. They recently brought a majority stake in a company called Quintain Estaes who owns the lease on the O2 & surrounding areas. Apparently their looking to invest a lot into Greenwich Peninsular area.
PS If your also on Charlton Life please repost there, i tried signing up but haven't been approved yet & feel like all CAFC fans would like the info. cheers.
Sorry dont know how to post the link thingy's properly
Sounds unlikely :-
21 November 2013 Quintain Estates and Development PLC (“Quintain” or the “Company”) Proposed Disposal of the Company’s Interests in GPR L Joint Venture Result of General Meeting Further to the announcements on 4 and 6 November 20 13, Quintain announces that, at the general meeting held today, the resolution to approve the disposal of its remaining interests in Greenwich Peninsula Regeneration Limited to Knight Dragon Limited, an investment vehicle ultimately owned by Dr. Henry Cheng Kar-Shun, was passed by shareholders. Completion of the transaction is scheduled to take place on Friday 22 November 2013.
This was posted on FR site;
20 Nov 2013 17:35:14 Further RUMOUR is that Henry Cheng Kar-Shun is involved, his company has just invested £0. 5billion in a local development.
I was wondering if Millwall or owners thereof, have shown any interested in moving to this site on the peninsular? Or what supporters would say about them moving to it.
I have been looking at ITV forum this evening and saw this so as this person has asked someone I'm reposting-:
Just heard through a friend that one of the companies that are involved somehow in the never ending takeover are Hutchison Whampoa a Hong Kong based company in the fortune 500. They recently brought a majority stake in a company called Quintain Estaes who owns the lease on the O2 & surrounding areas. Apparently their looking to invest a lot into Greenwich Peninsular area.
PS If your also on Charlton Life please repost there, i tried signing up but haven't been approved yet & feel like all CAFC fans would like the info. cheers.
Sorry dont know how to post the link thingy's properly
Sounds unlikely :-
21 November 2013 Quintain Estates and Development PLC (“Quintain” or the “Company”) Proposed Disposal of the Company’s Interests in GPR L Joint Venture Result of General Meeting Further to the announcements on 4 and 6 November 20 13, Quintain announces that, at the general meeting held today, the resolution to approve the disposal of its remaining interests in Greenwich Peninsula Regeneration Limited to Knight Dragon Limited, an investment vehicle ultimately owned by Dr. Henry Cheng Kar-Shun, was passed by shareholders. Completion of the transaction is scheduled to take place on Friday 22 November 2013.
This was posted on FR site;
20 Nov 2013 17:35:14 Further RUMOUR is that Henry Cheng Kar-Shun is involved, his company has just invested £0. 5billion in a local development.
I was wondering if Millwall or owners thereof, have shown any interested in moving to this site on the peninsular? Or what supporters would say about them moving to it.
There's zero chance any up market developer would invite Millwall to share their land! Imagine what that would do for property values :-)
we're gonna be .. we're gonna be .. we're gonna be .. the new Chelseeee da da da da .. da da da da ... da da da da da .. da da
Lol, I seriously hope not! While my dream for the club is financial stability and good football I personally would hate for us to become the new Chelski, Man City etc., I truly believe that those owners/clubs are ruining English Football.
Agree. New Arsenal for me.
What, a South London franchise moved to a location with no connection to the club or its history? ;-)
I don't know if it's been pointed out - presumably it has - but we do have a history on the Peninsula. It was our last ground before we moved to the Valley.
"The 4000 capacity Angerstein Athletic Ground could be described as Charlton Athletic's first "proper ground" although this was a ground share with Deptford Invicta FC. As the First World War progressed football appeared to have been abandoned and by the time the war had ended the Angerstein was used as a petrol storage facility. These days the site is now the Angerstein Business Park with no clues as to the existence of the stadium."
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I'm pig sick with all this he says she says stuff and what festers into inter ste rivalry. It's not healthy, takes up a huge amount of moderating time and ultimately results in CL not being like how we want it to be.
Everyone knows there are fundamental differences between the moderators, core posters and whole ethos of the two sites. Everyone is fully entitled to frequent where they like, but for the sake of sanity going forwards, no more mention of that site or individuals on it please on here. If those on there can agree to the same then great.
But let's put an end to all thie silly stuff please. Anyone want to discuss anything further please inbox me or mail me at afka@charltonlife.com rather than populating the forum.
Football is not about luxury apartments, fancy restaurants and day trippers. It shouldn't be anyway...
Perhaps this is how Corporates envisage the future being shaped.
Being just a well struck 'driver' distance from Canary Wharf and the heart of the 'new city' you must be able to imagine how a new facility around the old Tate & Lyle site could be used for business/entertainment etc 7 days a week in the world of packaged 'franchise' sport? It's no longer football as we, our dad's and granddads knew it - it's all about big bucks business and location, location, location. As that great paragon of virtue, 42nd President William Jefferson Blythe Clinton III commented "it's the economy, stupid!".
Beckham's Football Arena next to the Dome, didn't seem to benefit from it's location
JonnyK had said: you must be able to imagine how a new facility around the old Tate & Lyle site could be used for business/entertainment etc 7 days a week in the world of packaged 'franchise' sport
I don't think the Peninsula location would necessarily be worse than the Valley's location, but the bold text is what worries me the most in JonnyK's paragraph. It would strike me that it would be unlikely for Charlton Athletic to own a Peninsula stadium unless we had the sort of sugar daddy Brighton has. If that were the case, the assumption that the club would benefit from 7 days' use would seem to be fanciful at best.
Reading ITTV it seems everyone's convinced themselves there that a move would be good simply because of the 7-day commercial opportunities, but their realisation is surely inextricably linked with ownership? At one point Reams seems to suggest that low gates wouldn't be a worry because we'd not own the stadium, but presumably we'd be even more dependent on gates than we are now unless there's an imagination we'd be paid a fixed rate to play there. We all need to think this through rather than imagine we're Arsenal.
Responding to the modern world of football is a good thing, but unless a unique once-in-a-lifetime opportunity presents itself - and that might be the Peninsula - the question should start with the Valley's potential to meet the need. And I'm not persuaded we make the most of that now.
i dont think people are saying move the club or anything like that like Arsenal did like 100+ years ago i think what they when be like a New Arsenal they are saying that this is a football club like bayern munich that is self efficient they only spend money they have made unlike Man City or Chelsea who have Sugar Daddies ploughing money into the club. Personally in this day and age i think a lot can be said for a team doing things in the right way like Arsenal compared to so many other clubs.
I have been looking at ITV forum this evening and saw this so as this person has asked someone I'm reposting-:
Just heard through a friend that one of the companies that are involved somehow in the never ending takeover are Hutchison Whampoa a Hong Kong based company in the fortune 500. They recently brought a majority stake in a company called Quintain Estaes who owns the lease on the O2 & surrounding areas. Apparently their looking to invest a lot into Greenwich Peninsular area.
PS If your also on Charlton Life please repost there, i tried signing up but haven't been approved yet & feel like all CAFC fans would like the info. cheers.
Sorry dont know how to post the link thingy's properly
Sounds unlikely :-
21 November 2013 Quintain Estates and Development PLC (“Quintain” or the “Company”) Proposed Disposal of the Company’s Interests in GPR L Joint Venture Result of General Meeting Further to the announcements on 4 and 6 November 20 13, Quintain announces that, at the general meeting held today, the resolution to approve the disposal of its remaining interests in Greenwich Peninsula Regeneration Limited to Knight Dragon Limited, an investment vehicle ultimately owned by Dr. Henry Cheng Kar-Shun, was passed by shareholders. Completion of the transaction is scheduled to take place on Friday 22 November 2013.
This was posted on FR site;
20 Nov 2013 17:35:14 Further RUMOUR is that Henry Cheng Kar-Shun is involved, his company has just invested £0. 5billion in a local development.
I was wondering if Millwall or owners thereof, have shown any interested in moving to this site on the peninsular? Or what supporters would say about them moving to it.
There's zero chance any up market developer would invite Millwall to share their land! Imagine what that would do for property values :-)
Point taken, there is however a club just over the water that could be bought for less and is in turn having it's "home turf" invaded by another club and could be a championship club next year. I'm sure the same would not be said of it's supporters.
The point being if there is an opportunity then if we don't take it others might.
I can't see how this would impact on our attendances. If another club was playing nearby it's unlikely we would both be playing at the same time. Anyway realistically, would any fans give up watching us to watch Orient? A move away from the Valley would be more likely to have a negative effect on our support, and the only way money would be raised would be in the short term by selling The Valley, and in the long term we'd lose, by having to pay all that rent, or am I being a bit simple?
I can't see how this would impact on our attendances. If another club was playing nearby it's unlikely we would both be playing at the same time. Anyway realistically, would any fans give up watching us to watch Orient? A move away from the Valley would be more likely to have a negative effect on our support, and the only way money would be raised would be in the short term by selling The Valley, and in the long term we'd lose, by having to pay all that rent, or am I being a bit simple?
I dont agree. If Milwall was to move into our patch it would maybe not impact short term but long term some future fans would be lost of that i would be sure.
I can't see how this would impact on our attendances. If another club was playing nearby it's unlikely we would both be playing at the same time. Anyway realistically, would any fans give up watching us to watch Orient? A move away from the Valley would be more likely to have a negative effect on our support, and the only way money would be raised would be in the short term by selling The Valley, and in the long term we'd lose, by having to pay all that rent, or am I being a bit simple?
I dont agree. If Milwall was to move into our patch it would maybe not impact short term but long term some future fans would be lost of that i would be sure.
as stadium locations go, any new stadium development in that area would have an unbelievable setting of canary wharf, the river and 02. Can't think of many football arenas in the world with a dramatic skyscraper backdrop like that. IF any move had to happen this is 100000x better to move half a mile up the road than to a junction on the A2 or further out of town.
Millwall are Millwall. Even people who know nothing about football, know of Millwall for all the wrong reasons, they are the ultimate tarnished football 'brand', the last people you'd want involved in a (relatively) swanky development, though having walked past that site along the Riverside walk (coincidentally the afternoon after we lost to Millwall) currently the area looks a right dump, and quite right for Millwall :-)
I agree with you Len, except for your last sentence. Its not about age.
Often people say that nothing that is written here matters, but on the contrary we have seen how stuff here has been lifted by a journo and because it appears in a 'proper' news channel, it becomes 'true".
Not that I am arguing that this isn't an accurate view of how people are thinking.
However in the next few weeks the Trust, and I suspect, not just the Trust, will make a determined attempt to get at the numbers behind a stay vs move argument. Lets see how things shift once people see numbers. Quite possibly, numbers a property developer or 'stadium operator' type company wouldn't easily present to fans...
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20 Nov 2013 17:35:14
Further RUMOUR is that Henry Cheng Kar-Shun is involved, his company has just invested £0. 5billion in a local development.
I was wondering if Millwall or owners thereof, have shown any interested in moving to this site on the peninsular? Or what supporters would say about them moving to it.
"The 4000 capacity Angerstein Athletic Ground could be described as Charlton Athletic's first "proper ground" although this was a ground share with Deptford Invicta FC. As the First World War progressed football appeared to have been abandoned and by the time the war had ended the Angerstein was used as a petrol storage facility. These days the site is now the Angerstein Business Park with no clues as to the existence of the stadium."
Taken from: http://www.derelictlondon.com/londons-long-lost-sports-grounds.html
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I'm even willing to be your good material in the Online News , products, or that was a pain the immune system and at the proper hatred of the asset that easy, but most exciting , however, the United States and a ready -oriented forms to the merger, the likelihood of pain the rghit pclae. For the moment, when our power no option Domingo mazim invest what you can do to roast .
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I don't think the Peninsula location would necessarily be worse than the Valley's location, but the bold text is what worries me the most in JonnyK's paragraph. It would strike me that it would be unlikely for Charlton Athletic to own a Peninsula stadium unless we had the sort of sugar daddy Brighton has. If that were the case, the assumption that the club would benefit from 7 days' use would seem to be fanciful at best.
Reading ITTV it seems everyone's convinced themselves there that a move would be good simply because of the 7-day commercial opportunities, but their realisation is surely inextricably linked with ownership? At one point Reams seems to suggest that low gates wouldn't be a worry because we'd not own the stadium, but presumably we'd be even more dependent on gates than we are now unless there's an imagination we'd be paid a fixed rate to play there. We all need to think this through rather than imagine we're Arsenal.
Responding to the modern world of football is a good thing, but unless a unique once-in-a-lifetime opportunity presents itself - and that might be the Peninsula - the question should start with the Valley's potential to meet the need. And I'm not persuaded we make the most of that now.
http://www.southlondon-today.co.uk/Sport.cfm?id=40341&headline=Charlton
The point being if there is an opportunity then if we don't take it others might.
The price, the nationality (not mentioned here but was on Friday), little opposition to the move, the omission of the other debts
Most seem to say embrace the great opportunity or we need to change to progress.
Thus you can see why he concludes that there is little opposition.
I've said higher up the thread the ambivalence to a move surprises me.
I must be getting old.
Often people say that nothing that is written here matters, but on the contrary we have seen how stuff here has been lifted by a journo and because it appears in a 'proper' news channel, it becomes 'true".
Not that I am arguing that this isn't an accurate view of how people are thinking.
However in the next few weeks the Trust, and I suspect, not just the Trust, will make a determined attempt to get at the numbers behind a stay vs move argument. Lets see how things shift once people see numbers. Quite possibly, numbers a property developer or 'stadium operator' type company wouldn't easily present to fans...