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Youth vs Experience - where is CAFC going?

Every month CAFC are signing up another youth player on a long term deal. Solly has also just signed a long term deal and Kermorgant has been offered an extension conditional on making x appearances this season...

But people are asking what about the management and the senior squad - where most contracts expire next summer?

The fans showed overwhelming support for CAFC to offer Chris Powell an extension with just 50 out of 2,250 disagreeing or strongly disagreeing last May. A survey in which more than 1,000 ST holders participated. It was also promoted by the club and the results have been shared with the management team.

Should the club be offering extensions to everyone? Should they be setting targets for individuals and does the lack of certainty have an impact on the results?

It would be good to know peoples views now that we are in the bottom half of the table.
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  • would rather if we are skint that we sign the youth players up and start from scratch with chris powell so if its only powelly and the youth players who get deals so be it
  • would rather if we are skint that we sign the youth players up and start from scratch with chris powell so if its only powelly and the youth players who get deals so be it

    I'm with this.
  • who are those 50 fans? we want names and addresses!
  • I agree with NLA
  • The youth are going to Chelsea and the Olders are going to the Job Centre.
  • Get Chris Powell signed up and leave the rest of it to him.
  • As a club, and with fair play, we have to bring on youth players and play them. If you can then blend experience, you have a way forward.
  • Youth is the way forward but you need a mix or say seven or eight senior players with three or four youth players thrown in. Problem is over exposure could ruin them so you need to be careful. I'm glad we are signing up those youngsters we think have a chance as they are the life blood of the team and, like it or not, our future cash cow.

    With regard the seniors. I am yet to be convinced that many of the current bunch are good enough for the Championship and if all the out of contract players go maybe we can replace them with at least the equivalent standard players on less wages. That seems the strategy to me.
  • CP has stated that getting the players signed up takes precedence over him signing a new contract, whether that is all the players is open to conjecture
  • Has FFP even been confirmed as definite yet? Seems to be disregrded by most of the top clubs.
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  • Has FFP even been confirmed as definite yet? Seems to be disregrded by most of the top clubs.

    Yes it's up and running. Nothing to stop inward investment which is an asset on the balance sheet but loans are a problem as it is a liability on said balance sheet. Also loan interest and interest to RM and previous owners undoubtedly another debit that is diverted away from supporting the playing squad!
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    We have a very good crop of youngsters coming through so it's inevitable that we are signing more than in the leaner years. Holding onto them before they make an impact for us will be the real acid test. It does seem odd to me though that players like Morrison for example who are the bedrock of the team are still not being offered a deal. The youngsters are not going to replace the entire team and replacing the likes of Morro et al will be a nightmare scenario in my opinion.
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    JonnyK said:

    Has FFP even been confirmed as definite yet? Seems to be disregrded by most of the top clubs.

    Yes it's up and running. Nothing to stop inward investment which is an asset on the balance sheet but loans are a problem as it is a liability on said balance sheet. Also loan interest and interest to RM and previous owners undoubtedly another debit that is diverted away from supporting the playing squad!
    There's no interest being paid to other former directors or on much of the debt to RM. He earns 3 per cent on £1m of debt, which is £30,000pa. Nice money for most of us, but not significant in the grand scheme of things. Repayments on bank debt relating to the north stand are the main consideration.
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    Has FFP even been confirmed as definite yet? Seems to be disregrded by most of the top clubs.

    FFP is indeed up and running...CAFC are clearly operating within the loan limits of £3M which does not include the Academy costs and Valley depreciation (£2.2M) nor does it cover the £1M a year to pay off the North Upper.
    Two of the top seven are just relegated with parachute monies and FFP does not apply to them. Two other clubs up there are ignoring FFP in an attempt to get promotion - they will pay penalties but are happy to do that if they go up.
  • We have a very good crop of youngsters coming through so it's inevitable that we are signing more than in the leaner years. Holding onto them before they make an impact for us will be the real acid test. It does seem odd to me though that players like Morrison for example who are the bedrock of the team are still not being offered a deal. The youngsters are not going to replace the entire team and replacing the likes of Morro et al will be a nightmare scenario in my opinion.

    Thats the big question for defence and midfield - the forwards are either signed up for next season, on loan or with Kermorgant he can "earn" an extension.
    I am certain that some of the senior players will be signed for 2014-15 and that four or five have nil chance of being offered new deals... But will we lose any of the better players because the club is taking time to renew? I would sign Stephens, Hamer, Wiggins and a few others asap and maybe the club is talking to agents right now? What I am saying is that just like last summer some will stay and some will go.
  • Would definitely offer Stephens a new deal at the moment the way he's playing - The bloke has been possessed
  • Dale playing for a move imo
  • Dale playing for a move imo

    Harsh. Think having Cousins playing alongside him has just brought out the best in him, which we all knew he could produce

  • don't mean it in a bad way, Chris Powell came out and said it pre season that if the right offer comes in Dale can go, for that to happen Dale needed to improve his performances by 50 or 60 % in terms of consistant performance

    he is and has been doing that since Powelly said it , I have no issue with it personally he performs for us like he is we benefit, and he gets his move and we get the cash
  • Sorry didnt realise Powell had said that! I still think we should offer him a new contract based on his current form and if he turns it down, he turns it down
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  • He probably had a rediculous offer from Villa last year which he wasn't able to take up. Of all the players he is the one who has the best bargaining position especially after yesterday.
  • Maybe it was a bit of mind games from Powell... i.e. saying to Stephens if you play well you'll get the possibility of moving back north.

    Means we get a better version of Dale playing and if that offer from a Northern club doesnt come in then we can try and offer a new contract and see what he says
  • Charlton manager Chris Powell has told homesick midfielder Dale Stephens he can leave the club if the right offer comes in.

    Stephens, who is set to replace injured captain Johnnie Jackson at Barnsley on Saturday, wants to move closer to his family in the north.

    "It's a hard one with Dale because he had the disappointment of not moving in the transfer window this time last year," said Powell.

    "He got on with it and I'm mindful of the fact that he has suffered a little bit with homesickness. We have had discussions with him that if anything transpires that might be right for him to go back up north then we'll look at it.

    "But if he's here, as I've always said, if they're fit then they are under consideration regardless of their situation.

    "We've had that discussion with him but, of course, it takes a club to pick up the phone and if nobody does, he's here. We've had no real interest from northern clubs and we just have to play it by ear and see if anyone comes in. If they don't he'll have to stay fit and, like any footballer, he will play here."
  • Since when was Birmingham in the north?
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    Since when was Birmingham in the north?

    Anything across the water is 'North' sort of where @nthlondonaddick lives :0)
  • Bham is 100% north



    Anything nth of watford is nthn
  • Stephens can't win, hey? If he is not playing well it's either because he's crap or he wants to get away. If he playes well it's because he wnats to attract Clubs.
  • Stephens can't win, hey? If he is not playing well it's either because he's crap or he wants to get away. If he playes well it's because he wnats to attract Clubs.

    I think he's winning now! If he keeps up his return to form then his agent can ask CAFC and others what are they willing to pay for his services next season...and he can start this now with a view to signing a pre contract deal in January.
    I don't think there are many Charlton players in this position which is why I don't buy the hysteria and panic about "all our players running out of contract"

  • How can he not win

    its a win win for all parties he is desperate to move home your mgr has said so in a press release

    Since that release stephens has performed really well and consistant

    So is it just a coincidence of course not

    We benefit now and he benefits long term

    Win win for all don't be doing the poor old dale stuff its obvious and not a probllem no one is slating him ffs
  • Stephens can't win, hey? If he is not playing well it's either because he's crap or he wants to get away. If he playes well it's because he wnats to attract Clubs.

    I think he's winning now! If he keeps up his return to form then his agent can ask CAFC and others what are they willing to pay for his services next season...and he can start this now with a view to signing a pre contract deal in January.
    I don't think there are many Charlton players in this position which is why I don't buy the hysteria and panic about "all our players running out of contract"

    can't sign a precontract 6months before the end of his contract unless its in another nation iirc
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