Pritchard seems to be one of those players who is either excellent or terrible in a game, never really seems to be just average. On his good days he is one of our best players, on his bad days one of our worst, though his effort is never less than commendable.
Maybe Pritch isn't a right winger but I think its a massive compliment to call Green a right winger. Pritchard did better in that position last season than the other options (except for maybe Wagstaff) so you can't criticise Powell for playing the best players available to him.
Who knows maybe Green will step up at some point but he is only playing the right team that's tried and tested.
I personally feel our strongest team would be in a 4-5-1 formation with two out an out wingers but whatever team Powell puts out there will be someone who doesn't like it.
We can't know really can we. As stilladdicted said above CP has to take on board 'numerous constraints including players personalities, preferences, motivations as well as their skills'. But of course we have opinions; for me an effective Lawrie Wilson in front of Solly can work well on the right; with Pritchard or Jackson middle and someone else left, but bigger factors are who we're playing against, who else is available etc etc. What better method than leaving it to CP to get right over the course of a season?!
.... The constraints are numerous, complicated but very well thought out and take into account individual players personalities, preferences, motivations as well as their skills. ....
There's a difference between a right midfielder and a right winger.
Pritchard can be a good player at right mid but he's certainly no winger.
All depends on what sort of balance CP is looking to get from his midfield.
Exactly. Powell likes to get that balance in the midfield. When Green played in L1 we had Jackson on the left who could come across and fill in the gaps. Now we have Harriott on the left and Powell deploys Pritchard to do the same on the right.
One thing I will agree with is that when Pritch has an off day he is pretty poor. I'd like to see Wilson get some confidence back and play like he did in the earlier parts of last season as he can fill that same role as Pritch and I think has a few more goals in him. Plus he adds extra pace to our midfield
Pritchard certainly wasn't at his best, but I think it's unfair to now claim that Powell was/is wrong to play him.
Green has had many opportunities to stake a claim for the spot for a prolonged period, but has ultimately failed to make the shirt his. In my opinion, Pritchard has proven himself to be the most effective out on the right.
Anyone who was actually there yesterday would have seen Pritch constantly go missing on the wing leaving us exposed. Now, whether that was down to him naturally drifting infield against orders, or whether he was being force to move inside to make up for the lack of pace of Gower/Hughes I don't know... but there is no doubt that yesterday, Pritchard's position was the weakest link and where Bournemouth repeatedly exposed us.
That isn't a criticism of Pritch necessarily as like I say there are a couple of different reasons why the hole may have kept appearing there, but blindly repeating ad nauseum that he got the most assists last season is irrelevant to yesterday's performance.
All this assist bollocks. People trying to make out he is iniesta.
Wish Wikipedia showed how many times players gavé away the ball and put their team under pressure.
Pritch is alright but when he plays bad he is really, really bad. He looked like an amateur. He is over rated by some to the point people call you a fool if you dare disagree with them. Pathetic.
Yeah I called you a fool as you said Pritch has NEVER been able to beat a man or cross. Which is clearly rubbish when he has 11 assists for last season, I can remember on atleast two occasions where he did what you said he never could do last season (cross and set up a goal).
Yes he was well below par yesterday, all players have off days, that happens in football. Of course he's not Iniesta either, but he is a key part of our team who puts in a great shift as well as chipping in with valuable assists that have helped us to wins (I don't see how an assist can be bollocks either).
What pissed me off is the fact that once again Powell seemed to learn nothing from last season... To play Pritchard wide there is no excuse for that ...and to pick Hughes who as not played in pre-season over the likes of Stephens, Hollands or even Cousins its hard to back him ... And once again the big big problem is to late to make changes, anyone could see yesterday the midfield was not working so why not change it at half time even when we went 2-1 down still stuck to the negative line up. 12 mins to go is to late. People have very short memories how many points did we lose before xmas last year due to the same issues wrong team selection, negative tactics and subs made far to late, yesterday we lost at least a point I hope come May we don't look back and rule that point.
Powell got to learn and quick at least he can't pick is love child for 3 games which is a plus, but I bet next week he picks Wilson instead of what 99% of supporters would do and pick Danny Green
What pissed me off is the fact that once again Powell seemed to learn nothing from last season... To play Pritchard wide there is no excuse for that ...and to pick Hughes who as not played in pre-season over the likes of Stephens, Hollands or even Cousins its hard to back him ... And once again the big big problem is to late to make changes, anyone could see yesterday the midfield was not working so why not change it at half time even when we went 2-1 down still stuck to the negative line up. 12 mins to go is to late. People have very short memories how many points did we lose before xmas last year due to the same issues wrong team selection, negative tactics and subs made far to late, yesterday we lost at least a point I hope come May we don't look back and rule that point.
Powell got to learn and quick at least he can't pick is love child for 3 games which is a plus, but I bet next week he picks Wilson instead of what 99% of supporters would do and pick Danny Green
What pissed me off is the fact that once again Powell seemed to learn nothing from last season... To play Pritchard wide there is no excuse for that ...and to pick Hughes who as not played in pre-season over the likes of Stephens, Hollands or even Cousins its hard to back him ... And once again the big big problem is to late to make changes, anyone could see yesterday the midfield was not working so why not change it at half time even when we went 2-1 down still stuck to the negative line up. 12 mins to go is to late. People have very short memories how many points did we lose before xmas last year due to the same issues wrong team selection, negative tactics and subs made far to late, yesterday we lost at least a point I hope come May we don't look back and rule that point.
Powell got to learn and quick at least he can't pick is love child for 3 games which is a plus, but I bet next week he picks Wilson instead of what 99% of supporters would do and pick Danny Green
Are you Bexleyboy in disguise.
I believe he did post under that name in the past
Seems to have a problem with black people/anyone not white from bexleyboy's posts on ITV have anything to go by.
What pissed me off is the fact that once again Powell seemed to learn nothing from last season... To play Pritchard wide there is no excuse for that ...and to pick Hughes who as not played in pre-season over the likes of Stephens, Hollands or even Cousins its hard to back him ... And once again the big big problem is to late to make changes, anyone could see yesterday the midfield was not working so why not change it at half time even when we went 2-1 down still stuck to the negative line up. 12 mins to go is to late. People have very short memories how many points did we lose before xmas last year due to the same issues wrong team selection, negative tactics and subs made far to late, yesterday we lost at least a point I hope come May we don't look back and rule that point.
Powell got to learn and quick at least he can't pick is love child for 3 games which is a plus, but I bet next week he picks Wilson instead of what 99% of supporters would do and pick Danny Green
Are you Bexleyboy in disguise.
I believe he did post under that name in the past
Seems to have a problem with black people/anyone not white from bexleyboy's posts on ITV have anything to go by.
Then it may not be the same guy. (I dont read ITV) Colin Sams drives everyone nuts, but he has never uttered a remotely racist word on the mailing list.
What pissed me off is the fact that once again Powell seemed to learn nothing from last season... To play Pritchard wide there is no excuse for that ...and to pick Hughes who as not played in pre-season over the likes of Stephens, Hollands or even Cousins its hard to back him ... And once again the big big problem is to late to make changes, anyone could see yesterday the midfield was not working so why not change it at half time even when we went 2-1 down still stuck to the negative line up. 12 mins to go is to late. People have very short memories how many points did we lose before xmas last year due to the same issues wrong team selection, negative tactics and subs made far to late, yesterday we lost at least a point I hope come May we don't look back and rule that point.
Powell got to learn and quick at least he can't pick is love child for 3 games which is a plus, but I bet next week he picks Wilson instead of what 99% of supporters would do and pick Danny Green
Are you Bexleyboy in disguise.
I believe he did post under that name in the past
Seems to have a problem with black people/anyone not white from bexleyboy's posts on ITV have anything to go by.
The posts on ITV are usually beyond comprehension. Firstly, I just read on there that JJ wasn't injured and is on his way out (despite JJ tweeting yesterday he'll be fine for next week but don't let that get in the way of a 'doomour'..) and also based on a single performance, that Harriott is now a big-time charlie so will "go the way of Campbell-Ryce".
Wasn't there but I gather Pritch had a mare. It happens and not too often to him. Away from The Valley I reckon Pritchard almost picks himself because you get graft and commitment. Not something either of the two alternatives have provided enough.
Every prick and his mum was saying dont go 4-5-1 before yesterdays game , we gotta go 4-4-2 blah blah blah (They're all very quiet now)
Already know that fuckwits will be knife sharpening for SCP's head as soon as a bad run appears the same fucktards who moaned we didn't play like Brazil1970 under Curbs ... We have some right doughnuts for fans
So you thought the 4-5-1 used against Inverness was worth persevering with then?
Every prick and his mum was saying dont go 4-5-1 before yesterdays game , we gotta go 4-4-2 blah blah blah (They're all very quiet now)
Already know that fuckwits will be knife sharpening for SCP's head as soon as a bad run appears the same fucktards who moaned we didn't play like Brazil1970 under Curbs ... We have some right doughnuts for fans
So you thought the 4-5-1 used against Inverness was worth persevering with then?
Well by the sounds of it , the 4-4-2 with the players available yesterday didn't work at all So 4-5-1 may have been the way to go with what was available, would only have got a loss at worst , Just making the point tha plenty laboured on about SCP being too negative and we should play 4-4-2 and if we'd performed like we did yesterday with a 4-5-1 everyone would have piped up As it stands I'm not sure which is the best formation with which to go with and I'm sure SCP isn't 100% on which way to go with what we've got
didnt we play most of last season with 4-5-1 away from home and we had one of the best away records in the division? I'm quite suprised CP didnt start with it, especially with Hughes and Gower being of similar holding style in centre mid. Perhaps he was looking at that until JJ got injured, but if he was then he can't have much faith in Stephens or Hollands to step in. Anyway, perhaps we'll never know and I don't hold CP accountable for yesterday. Sounds like too many and an off day.
Love the way after one defeat, the 9th place finish and long unbeaten run are forgotten and we're back to Powell is too negative, makes his subs too late and plays Pritchard even though he's crap/offers nothing/is not a winger. Roll on Oxford and a goal apiece from church and sordell (off the bench) to get them up and running.
Did you see the Inverness game? We wouldn't have scored if we played all night.
If you're not sure what formation, then why call the 99% calling for the 4-4-2 pricks?
We lost yesterday's game because Eddie Howe's tactical plan was carried by his players better than our players used CP's. It happens.
Negative comments about players are part of that. If you saw the game yesterday you would have seen Pritchard having a mare on the right & Harriott often caught out of position on the left. Bournemouth attacked into the spaces left by both of them in front of the full back areas.. Solly & Wiggins had to deal with 2v1s and Hughes & Gower were pulled away from the central areas. Not Harriotts fault, he is an inexperienced young pro still learning his trade & Pritchard is a right midfielder tucked in, he doesn't get up and down. If they both had defensive awareness, they would probably be playing up a level. Thats what you get at this level, players with weaknesses. Howe played on those weaknesses and it paid off.
I'm more concerned with the unrealistic expectations I heard on the train last night, that cos we finished 9th last season we should be winning promotion this season. Thats where the pressure on CP will come from.
Hold on. So aren't you saying that sometimes formations don't come off cos players don't carry out the tactics given to them by their managers well enough, 'it happens', yet you wanna can the 4-5-1 formation because it didnt work for one game against Iverness???
I'm think its better a day after a game reading / hearing comments after a defeat because everyone claims too be an expert when things go wrong , sounds like a few knee jerk reactions , get real people , we are going to lose a few games this season , i didn't make long winded comments last night because after an 8 hour drive i was knackered , and couldn't be bothered , but please lets nots over react / over analyse, lets leave the stress to Chris to suss out , thats what he's paid too do , we'll be extremely fortunate to get anywhere near 9th this season , watching the Football League show today , this divisions a lot stronger than last season , theres going to be plenty of bumps along the way , keep the faith and get behind the boys.
Did you see the Inverness game? We wouldn't have scored if we played all night.
If you're not sure what formation, then why call the 99% calling for the 4-4-2 pricks?
We lost yesterday's game because Eddie Howe's tactical plan was carried by his players better than our players used CP's. It happens.
Negative comments about players are part of that. If you saw the game yesterday you would have seen Pritchard having a mare on the right & Harriott often caught out of position on the left. Bournemouth attacked into the spaces left by both of them in front of the full back areas.. Solly & Wiggins had to deal with 2v1s and Hughes & Gower were pulled away from the central areas. Not Harriotts fault, he is an inexperienced young pro still learning his trade & Pritchard is a right midfielder tucked in, he doesn't get up and down. If they both had defensive awareness, they would probably be playing up a level. Thats what you get at this level, players with weaknesses. Howe played on those weaknesses and it paid off.
I'm more concerned with the unrealistic expectations I heard on the train last night, that cos we finished 9th last season we should be winning promotion this season. Thats where the pressure on CP will come from.
Great post Tutt-Tutt. To be honest I couldn't see how Gower/Hughes was ever going to work, irrespective of what Harriot and Pritch were doing. I know in part it was enforced by JJ's absence. Credit to Howe and AFCB I guess for winning the tactical battle
Quite funny listening to the Burnley v Bolton game on the TV yesterday
They were saying about how the Championship so so unpredictable blah blah blah and that Reading are the only team who have ever ran away with the league (when the got over 120 points) yet lost their first game...
Did you see the Inverness game? We wouldn't have scored if we played all night.
If you're not sure what formation, then why call the 99% calling for the 4-4-2 pricks?
We lost yesterday's game because Eddie Howe's tactical plan was carried by his players better than our players used CP's. It happens.
Negative comments about players are part of that. If you saw the game yesterday you would have seen Pritchard having a mare on the right & Harriott often caught out of position on the left. Bournemouth attacked into the spaces left by both of them in front of the full back areas.. Solly & Wiggins had to deal with 2v1s and Hughes & Gower were pulled away from the central areas. Not Harriotts fault, he is an inexperienced young pro still learning his trade & Pritchard is a right midfielder tucked in, he doesn't get up and down. If they both had defensive awareness, they would probably be playing up a level. Thats what you get at this level, players with weaknesses. Howe played on those weaknesses and it paid off.
I'm more concerned with the unrealistic expectations I heard on the train last night, that cos we finished 9th last season we should be winning promotion this season. Thats where the pressure on CP will come from.
Great post Tutt-Tutt. To be honest I couldn't see how Gower/Hughes was ever going to work, irrespective of what Harriot and Pritch were doing. I know in part it was enforced by JJ's absence. Credit to Howe and AFCB I guess for winning the tactical battle
Just to be clear, I agree with tutt-tutt's points about playing the tactics better and the players involved but just find the first and third paragraphs contradicting.
My point not succintly made was that , 4-4-2 was not the answer yesterday with those players But you can guarantee if we'd have played 4-5-1 and there was a similar performance and result that everyone who was saying we gotta go 4-4-2 would have been on here haranguing SCP for not changing the formation Sometimes 4-5-1 works for us sometimes not and the same with 4-4-2 , imo with the players available there's not much in it and I'd prefer the safer approach away and the more attacking attempt at home but obviously with those formations depending on players 4-5-1 can be just as if not more attacking than 4-4-2 Over the course of the season I have faith in SCP to get it right and mix it up like he did with more than decent results last season .
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Who knows maybe Green will step up at some point but he is only playing the right team that's tried and tested.
I personally feel our strongest team would be in a 4-5-1 formation with two out an out wingers but whatever team Powell puts out there will be someone who doesn't like it.
One thing I will agree with is that when Pritch has an off day he is pretty poor. I'd like to see Wilson get some confidence back and play like he did in the earlier parts of last season as he can fill that same role as Pritch and I think has a few more goals in him. Plus he adds extra pace to our midfield
Green has had many opportunities to stake a claim for the spot for a prolonged period, but has ultimately failed to make the shirt his. In my opinion, Pritchard has proven himself to be the most effective out on the right.
Yes he was well below par yesterday, all players have off days, that happens in football. Of course he's not Iniesta either, but he is a key part of our team who puts in a great shift as well as chipping in with valuable assists that have helped us to wins (I don't see how an assist can be bollocks either).
thats the whole point there a right midfielder and a winger thank god for that post, the original poster is obviously fishing for a reaction
I despair sometimes I really do.
So 4-5-1 may have been the way to go with what was available, would only have got a loss at worst ,
Just making the point tha plenty laboured on about SCP being too negative and we should play 4-4-2 and if we'd performed like we did yesterday with a 4-5-1 everyone would have piped up
As it stands I'm not sure which is the best formation with which to go with and I'm sure SCP isn't 100% on which way to go with what we've got
I'm quite suprised CP didnt start with it, especially with Hughes and Gower being of similar holding style in centre mid. Perhaps he was looking at that until JJ got injured, but if he was then he can't have much faith in Stephens or Hollands to step in.
Anyway, perhaps we'll never know and I don't hold CP accountable for yesterday. Sounds like too many and an off day.
If you're not sure what formation, then why call the 99% calling for the 4-4-2 pricks?
We lost yesterday's game because Eddie Howe's tactical plan was carried by his players better than our players used CP's. It happens.
Negative comments about players are part of that. If you saw the game yesterday you would have seen Pritchard having a mare on the right & Harriott often caught out of position on the left. Bournemouth attacked into the spaces left by both of them in front of the full back areas.. Solly & Wiggins had to deal with 2v1s and Hughes & Gower were pulled away from the central areas. Not Harriotts fault, he is an inexperienced young pro still learning his trade & Pritchard is a right midfielder tucked in, he doesn't get up and down. If they both had defensive awareness, they would probably be playing up a level. Thats what you get at this level, players with weaknesses. Howe played on those weaknesses and it paid off.
I'm more concerned with the unrealistic expectations I heard on the train last night, that cos we finished 9th last season we should be winning promotion this season. Thats where the pressure on CP will come from.
To be honest I couldn't see how Gower/Hughes was ever going to work, irrespective of what Harriot and Pritch were doing.
I know in part it was enforced by JJ's absence.
Credit to Howe and AFCB I guess for winning the tactical battle
They were saying about how the Championship so so unpredictable blah blah blah and that Reading are the only team who have ever ran away with the league (when the got over 120 points) yet lost their first game...
i.e. nothing is decided after the first game...
But you can guarantee if we'd have played 4-5-1 and there was a similar performance and result that everyone who was saying we gotta go 4-4-2 would have been on here haranguing SCP for not changing the formation
Sometimes 4-5-1 works for us sometimes not and the same with 4-4-2 , imo with the players available there's not much in it and I'd prefer the safer approach away and the more attacking attempt at home but obviously with those formations depending on players 4-5-1 can be just as if not more attacking than 4-4-2
Over the course of the season I have faith in SCP to get it right and mix it up like he did with more than decent results last season .